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Got Helix?
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Very nice... I am glad to see that 50 Mbps can reach the whole FIOS base. Now if I can only get them to cross the RI/CT border to come to my town! | |
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 | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| What good is LTE ... ... if they put a 5 Gbit cap on it, like Verizon always does on their wireless "broadband" connections? They should at least deploy basic DSL in those areas where it's feasible to do so. But they're refusing to do that, in areas where they face no cable competition. I guess they think they can charge more for wireless "broadband", and they don't want to cannibalize that business with their own DSL offering. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | What good is 200Mbps? When the far end only gives you 10Mbps? I've got as much as 300Mbps in a remote datacenter and it's rare that I see more than 10Mbps on many sites. Yesterday I downloaded some stuff from Adobe and I could not get over 10Mbps from them. | |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Re: What good is 200Mbps? As First-Mile performance increases that will become more common. If you have multiple sessions open to different servers you will still benefit.
Personally that is a problem I'd like to have - performance determined by remote server not my First-Mile connection.
It is nice to see Verizon being so aggressive with FIOS. Living in NH hopefully FairPoint will follow suit now that they have taken over.
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MoeDumb
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
join:2002-09-23 | Re: What good is 200Mbps? It will be fun trying to tweak up to the max  | |
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| bbskeptic
join:2005-09-12
Burlington, VT | Exactly!!!! | |
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| mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | ALL TOGETHER FOLKS:
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
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| Re: What good is 200Mbps? said by wifi4milez  :said by battleop :When the far end only gives you 10Mbps? I've got as much as 300Mbps in a remote datacenter and it's rare that I see more than 10Mbps on many sites. Yesterday I downloaded some stuff from Adobe and I could not get over 10Mbps from them. I have been pointing this out for the past two weeks every time an article of this type comes up. I am still shocked that so many people who visit this website dont understand this simple fact of the internet! and we keep telling you the same thing
MORE THEN ONE CONNECTION AT THE SAME TIME
im guessing you live alone
you should see how fast a 20Mbps connection gets used with 3-5 people in one home | |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: What good is 200Mbps? said by elios :said by wifi4milez :said by battleop :When the far end only gives you 10Mbps? I've got as much as 300Mbps in a remote datacenter and it's rare that I see more than 10Mbps on many sites. Yesterday I downloaded some stuff from Adobe and I could not get over 10Mbps from them. I have been pointing this out for the past two weeks every time an article of this type comes up. I am still shocked that so many people who visit this website dont understand this simple fact of the internet! and we keep telling you the same thing MORE THEN ONE CONNECTION AT THE SAME TIME im guessing you live alone you should see how fast a 20Mbps connection gets used with 3-5 people in one home I do not live alone, and your comment is still irrelevant. There are many small businesses who operate on a single T1 (1.54Mbps) with anywhere from 5 to 20 people using it without issue. Now (as I have stated before), if the 3 to 5 people (kids) living with you are illegally downloading music/movies you will see an impact on the performance of your circuit.
If your network cant handle a 20Mbps connection with just 3 to 5 people on it, I strongly suggest you do some investigating. Do you have an open (unencrypted AP)? If so, you might have more like 25 to 30 people using your connection, and then your situation makes a lot more sense.
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If history teaches us anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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| said by elios :said by wifi4milez :said by battleop :When the far end only gives you 10Mbps? I've got as much as 300Mbps in a remote datacenter and it's rare that I see more than 10Mbps on many sites. Yesterday I downloaded some stuff from Adobe and I could not get over 10Mbps from them. I have been pointing this out for the past two weeks every time an article of this type comes up. I am still shocked that so many people who visit this website dont understand this simple fact of the internet! and we keep telling you the same thing MORE THEN ONE CONNECTION AT THE SAME TIME im guessing you live alone you should see how fast a 20Mbps connection gets used with 3-5 people in one home Your response doesnt make sense. We are discussing how most sites cant serve you content at high speed (re-read the OP's comment), this has nothing to do with the number of users you have at your house. You could have an OC192 or a dial up connection, and you are still limited by how quickly the remote site can serve you data (in laymans terms, how quickly it responds to your request). If that remote site only has 10Mbps capacity, you are limited to 10Mbps! Why is this such a difficult concept for people to grasp??
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom
| Re: What good is 200Mbps? your still not grasping the concept of MORE THEN ONE CONNECTION
and you can use 20Mbps connection easily and legally
lets say... i want buy a game one Steam and a room mate is trying to watch some thing streamed from netflix
or and then some one else is getting stuff off of XBL
add VoIP in mix and gaming
sure maybe one site cant give you more then 10Mbps at a time
but that doesnt mean you cant be getting data from 2 or more sites at the same time
sure most of the time slower line would work out
but if every one is home and roommate A. is raiding and on vent and room mate b. is trying to watch streamed from nextflix
there not going to be happy when i start downloading from Steam
and oh steam can max out damn near any connection and when a game is 6-8GB let me tell you 100Mbps would be nice to have
PC gaming is moving to downloaded games Steam is selling more then any brick and morter store and id rather get a game off steam then drive the store pay 50 bucks and deal with shitty DRM | |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Let's hope.... ....they can fix their billing problems or they will suffer the same fate as cable with poor customer service.
I wonder where all this data is going to eventually end up? How much data are we really going to need to push and for what? | |
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join:2002-01-21
Birmingham, AL | Re: Let's hope.... Wow to bad I will never see this due to the fact that I live in Alabama | |
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CUBS_FAN
You're Killing Me
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
·Vonage
1 edit | Why? With all the talk of "limiting bandwidth hogs" and setting a bandwith cap it'll be so much easier to exceed the limits set in place. If FIOS has no bandwidth limits then I don't see any reason for Comcast and others to try and compete.
"I want you to stop driving so fast therfore I'll give you this Dodge Viper to drive around in" | |
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
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1 edit | Re: Why? Comcast, Cox, and Charter are still alive because they usually are the only broadband choice for the markets in which they "compete". When they only choice you have is cable or DSL... cable can still compete. That is changing though. One example of that is where I currently live, Denton, TX.
I just moved from Ft. Worth, TX to Denton, TX. In Ft. Worth, the ONLY choice I had was Charter cable or AT&T DSL. I am convinced the only reason Charter Comm is still in business is because they only exist in places where there is very minimal competition.
I say that because here in Denton, Charter is still here, but FiOS has been deployed for at least 2 years, and EVERYONE in this town is switching to FiOS. I would not be suprised if Charter left (and I held a parade) in the next 2 years. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| residential market Talk of these higher speeds means nothing if Verizon can't bring faster speeds at affordable prices. Unless Verizon is able to break new price barriers such as 30/30 or 50/50 for $65 per month 200mbits will go nowhere fast. Right now, they're hard pressed to offer 20/20 for $65 per month. 200mbit would be Umm... $300, $400?
A 200mbit service would have to be under $250 to make sense to a residential customer in today's dollars. Right now they should be focused on offering Symmetrical Speeds to set themselves apart from everything else in their footprint. The main worry for Verizon is when customers REALLY start using that upload... the potential risk is not earning a profit due to isp data transfer cost at the backbone level.
Right now, IMO it's more talk than action because they are still in competitive pole position even though cable companies are beginning to test "BOOST" products in the market, they nowhere near able to compete with FTTP QOS in terms average bits per second especially at peak use hours. Few cable companies break 50mbits today.. and won't until docsis 3.0 rolls around (actual service offerings, new modems, the whole 9 yards).. Verizon knows this and so do cable companies. That's why it's more important to watch what these companies DO instead of what they SAY. | |
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
·RoadRunner Cable
| SERIOUSLY-- what is the fuss about bandwidth utilization? said by tmc8080 :The main worry for Verizon is when customers REALLY start using that upload... the potential risk is not earning a profit due to isp data transfer cost at the backbone level. (tmc8080, I'm just using your quote as a springboard, not picking on you personally)
OK, I've been silent on this issue but it's time to ask a VERY LOUD QUESTION.
**What is the big deal over higher bandwidth utilization?**
Look at fuel prices. Gasoline and diesel fuel are getting very expensive, so people are using less. DUH, right?
But bandwidth is getting cheaper. SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER and infinitely plentiful.
Verizon's field test a few months ago demonstrated they could upgrade existing 10 Gigabit (OC-192) long haul fiber to 100 Gigabits just by swapping out the optics at each end. NO changes to fiber. NO reconditioning of the lines. NO changes to the amplifiers/repeaters. An order of magnitude (10x) increase of bandwidth with a simple optics swap. »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···lly.html
Same should hold true for Cox, Comcast, Road Runner, and any other system running their own long haul networks. OC-192 backbones are "so 20th century". They need to be at OC-768 (40 Gbps) which as we already know is a simple drop-in on existing 10 Gig fiber.
For those of you asking "what about traffic to/from outside their networks?" If there's anyone here who believes the major players don't have SFI (settlement free interconnections, i.e. free peering) with most of the already-significant networks, raise your hand. Tier 1 networks such as Verizon do not pay anyone for transit-- they are 100% SFI (free peering).
So OK, there are some networks who will need to purchase transit from someone and that is not "Free". But prices of transit have plummeted. 10 Gig-E circuits from numerous carriers are under $10/mbit, and Cogent goes as low as $5/mbit. Other carriers are responding to this downward pricing pressure.
At the commit rates needed by ISPs, they'll get cheaper volume pricing than anyone elase. Available bandwidth will have commodity status-- cheap, plentiful. When 100 Gigabit links become common, and we all know this is in the near future, many industry veterans (who have seen prices drop with each new fiber technology) are predicting bandwidth pricing below $1 per megabit. And speaking as one of those veterans, I agree with them. Twelve years ago I paid nearly $3000/mo. for a T-1. Six years ago I paid $170/mbit on a 100 meg circuit. Today I pay less than 1/10th that. Does anyone really believe transit WON'T cost less than $1/megabit within the next few years, given sufficient commit rates?
SO -- seriously -- why all of the sudden are ISPs making such a ridiculously loud fuss over bandwidth usage??? | |
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: SERIOUSLY-- what is the fuss about bandwidth utilization? said by houkouonchi :The big deal is with the cable companies. They have this big limitation called a node that a ton of customers are on With cable, I can understand that, except that the biggest (potential?) throttler of all may be Comcast and they're the ones bragging about their massive DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades underway. So they are deploying all this additional data capacity and speed, while at the same time REDUCING how much of it you'll be allowed to use. Bigger network, bigger bragging rights, but users will have to pay extra fees if they expect to USE it. Hmmmm.
DSL speeds are so low (compared to cable or FIOS) that huge data transfers aren't possible, so my guess is caps are unlikely.
Even though Verizon is not talking bandwidth caps on FIOS yet, they publicly stated they reserve that right should conditions warrant. With an all-fiber network and 100 Gigabit backbone links just around the corner, they should have no excuse for implementing caps-- other than "because we can" since "everyone else is doing it". (hint: another revenue stream)
said by houkouonchi :As you said above the actual cost in bandwidth should be very little and thus DSL/FIOS type technologies shouldn't ever have to cap their service like cable. If they did they are just being greedy bastards. Hah... I think you just gave the perfect description of the phone companies. | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: I wish Verizon would come to St. Louis iirc you can get 100/50 in some places for a bis account | |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | New CPE needed You'll definitely need gigabit capable CPE to get that. Having a router that only does 10/100 won't cut it. | |
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XknightHawkX
join:2003-02-13
Morton, IL
clubs:
| Yet still not able to have FIOS Upgrading speeds that already are better then the rest but I'll never see more then 1.5/768. As stated before cherry picking. A lot of places will never see FIOS. Then people like me will never see any kind of upgrade in my area so I can get a faster speed. 1.5/768 may have been great when it first became available but now I don't think it even cuts it. | |
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Dnepr
join:2001-11-28
Tarpon Springs, FL | Whats the point? Whats the point of these high tiers when they want 200+ dollars per month for it?
Seriously... who are they kidding? | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Whats the point? The point of having high tiers is to have high tiers, so you can go around and brag about your mega high speed internet speeds on commercials and at industry conferences. If some people actually pay the big bucks for the high speed tiers, that's just extra. | |
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join:2002-10-06
Kearny, NJ | Re: Whats the point? I see people for year talking about the caps. people for year, verizon does not have caps, please stop it, it will never haave caps | |
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mdguy
@verizon.com
| At one time so was 7 meg DSL....$169 a month. Trust me I had it once and look at the price now? In time prices will come down and everyone will get it at a affordable rate.
All providers have to start somewhere and that somewhere is high in the beginning and over time it steadily comes down. | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
1 edit | said by Dnepr :Whats the point of these high tiers when they want 200+ dollars per month for it? Seriously... who are they kidding? What? Did you expect them to give you 50mbps or 200mbps for $50/month? It is 2008, not 2018... Maybe in 2018, 200mbps will be $50/month, but until then.... It is too costly to provide that type of bandwidth. VZ is a corp. NOT a charity!
And $169/month for 50mbps is excellent if you need that type of bandwidth... Up until fairly recently, if you wanted that type of bandwidth in your home, you'd have to pay thousands of dollars per month (still true in places without FIOS)
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Zerny
join:2007-05-04
Fort Gratiot, MI | Old Copper Id rather have old copper and the uverse. | |
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