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While AT&T debates HSPA versus LTE
09:20AM Thursday Jul 23 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: prices · business · bandwidth · world · consumers · wireless
While AT&T is only just starting their 7.2Mbps HSPA upgrades here in the States, 7.2Mbps rates in Portugal are already common -- and Vodafone Portugal is already making the jump to 20Mbps HSPA+ service. Vodafone Portugal's new service theoretically tops out at 21.7Mbps downstream and 5.7Mbps upstream, and costs 49 Euros ($69) per month, plus 129 Euros ($182) for the modem. Back in October of 2008, AT&T said they believed there was "a lot of runway left with HSPA and HSPA-plus," but now rumblings out of AT&T suggest there's some internal debate over whether to keep milking HSPA -- or make a quicker leap to faster LTE technology.


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S_engineer

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Short runway

The Deathstar continue to milk something...?...come on, they wouldn't do that.
We won't see LTE anytime soon
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Re: Short runway

said by S_engineer See Profile :

The Deathstar continue to milk something...?...come on, they wouldn't do that.
We won't see LTE anytime soon
It gets to be a simple cost calculation. If they are going to LTE anyway within 2 years, it will be cheaper to just go to LTE and skip the step to faster speeds by modifying existing technology. And the main cost isn't the hardware itself; it is the costs of techs to do 2 significant upgrades. Staff is limited and costs are high to climb those towers and switch out electronics.
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Re: Short runway

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by S_engineer See Profile :

The Deathstar continue to milk something...?...come on, they wouldn't do that.
We won't see LTE anytime soon
It gets to be a simple cost calculation. If they are going to LTE anyway within 2 years, it will be cheaper to just go to LTE and skip the step to faster speeds by modifying existing technology. And the main cost isn't the hardware itself; it is the costs of techs to do 2 significant upgrades. Staff is limited and costs are high to climb those towers and switch out electronics.
That's what T-Mobile is doing. Go T-MOBILE!

Skipping much of 3G deployment to focus on brining 4G.
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Re: Short runway

said by Gbcue See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by S_engineer See Profile :

The Deathstar continue to milk something...?...come on, they wouldn't do that.
We won't see LTE anytime soon
It gets to be a simple cost calculation. If they are going to LTE anyway within 2 years, it will be cheaper to just go to LTE and skip the step to faster speeds by modifying existing technology. And the main cost isn't the hardware itself; it is the costs of techs to do 2 significant upgrades. Staff is limited and costs are high to climb those towers and switch out electronics.
That's what T-Mobile is doing. Go T-MOBILE!

Skipping much of 3G deployment to focus on brining 4G.
I have heard no news at all about Tmobile (usa) even talking about 4G yet. Do you have any links?
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Re: Short runway

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

I have heard no news at all about Tmobile (usa) even talking about 4G yet. Do you have any links?
»www.von.com/news/verizon-has-amb···ule.html

The last sentence.

»www.telegeography.com/cu/article···id=25979

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Re: Short runway

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

I have heard no news at all about Tmobile (usa) even talking about 4G yet. Do you have any links?
»www.von.com/news/verizon-has-amb···ule.html

The last sentence.

»www.telegeography.com/cu/article···id=25979

Not saying I disagree, however the first link says the parent of Tmobile USA (Tmobile) is going straight to LTE. This could mean the European markets only, but they dont clarify. The second link is fairly clear, but its from 2008 so thats my only issue with it. I havent seen any recent news discussing Tmo' USA is the only reason I bring this up. If you find anything else on the matter you should email it as news to the the site, I think a lot of people would be interested to hear about it.
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 Not so simple. Isn't Verizon also going to LTE? if that's the case, you don't want to have them on your network first or using phones that are faster than your own.

1. No one in the USA at least has a LTE phone, and won't for 2-3 years.

2. Metro areas are dying for faster speeds NOW with existing 3G phones which may relieve congestion. Back hauling will be cheaper since there is higher density, and towers could be visited twice quickly. Fix the metro areas so that you keep your millions of iPhone customers who are your bread and butter accounts with the $30/mo data plans +$50 phone plan and make them happy- there are lots of phones with better than 1.5mbs 3G already in use. If you want to keep them once someone else sells something as compelling as iPhones. (I don't have a iPhone, but I get almost a mb on my att phone tethered.)

3. Less populous areas never got 3G in the firs place and certainly don't have LTE phones but may have 3G phones. Maybe rolling LTE out there first would be beneficial since they will be 'ready' when LTE is available and you'll have much better coverage in the end.
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backhaul capacity issues

The problem is backhaul issues, the equipment can do it, its just not enough capacity. I say go full LTE, and enjoying cross-carrier capability, and economies of scale.
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Re: backhaul capacity issues

I agree. Go LTE, and just get it over with.
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Re: backhaul capacity issues

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I agree. Go LTE, and just get it over with.
Could have said the same thing about FTTH, but we all know which route they went down on that one.
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It's the Geography!

Come on now, Karl. We all know the US is being held back only by the large geographical / population differences between itself and any many other technologically superior countries.

I would very much appreciate it if you stopped presenting the US in such a bad and unpatriotic light.

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Wonder what HSPA+ gear costs

Might be a lovely deal if you're a rural carrier and could get the 80/20 stimulus funding for rolling out HSPA+ on all towers. Of course then you have to backhaul the stuff, but again the 80/20 grant would get you Motorola Canopy 150 mbit/s symmetric backhauls for a few thousand. Since said local carrier owns a good number of their towers, who knows? Might just catapult the area into first place as far as mobile broadband is concerned, or at least close to/even with WiMAX, albeit with higher latency.
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No way

Does anyone actually believe America in the next 3 years will even offer anything close to 21/5 over the air? I have hard time believing that with such crappy deployments of Wimax and LTE barely getting going and possibly being handicapped when finally put out there. For some reason corporations just don't get that they need to get their act together and get this technology into the field. They have been talking about data through phones and what not and how this is the future yet now it has come to that point and it looks like a good portion of them are not ready for it. I think Verizon has done better than most and have a pretty solid data network but for others they are hardly out the door on 3g I doubt they can get their act together and work on 4g anytime soon.
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I herd that

there will be 2 to 3 live markets this year and around 13 more early next year and around 100 by the end of next year by verizon I donth think tmobile will be able to do the same I honestly think they dont have the money for this big of a project
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tuminatr

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i think this is likely

»www.independent.co.uk/news/busin···887.html

sounds like tmobile will be owned by vodafone search the net lots of speculation on this one, I wonder if they will mearge tmobile and verizon here in the usa
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Re: i think this is likely

Some links on HSPA security plz.

I know HSPA modem can use WPA2/AES to connect to my machines, which is fine. But how does HSPA modem communicate with the 'CO's??? Are the data also encrypted??? or just 'plain' travelling in the air like radio???

Thx.
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