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Houston, TX | Re: yawn Tell me about it. If they are so all-knowing then where are all the legal actions that would be coming from it?
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| cracklingice
join:2002-01-21
Naples, FL
| I have stopped buying CDs. I think it's a load of crap that the companies are now trying to rob us of our perfectly legal rights. I have picked up listening to the radio as an alternative. I would get satalite radio as a commercial free alternative, but those same bigots probably get money that way too. I'm waiting for someone to kill themself because of them. I hope there is a suit that closes them down. Entertainment is not worth their price. | |
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Redneck Dawg
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Mr. Bombs
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San Francisco, CA | *yawns* wake me up when this is over. in the meantime, more anarchist acts...  | |
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join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
clubs: | Enforce This Please read the title. | |
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Konaguy
Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
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Kailua Kona, HI | Yeah you'll be scared Yeah you'll be scared when the FBI or US Customs knocks
down your door to confiscate your computer if you have
copyrighted material on it. | |
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| RayW
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Layton, UT
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| Re: Yeah you'll be scared said by Konaguy  :
Yeah you'll be scared when the FBI or US Customs knocks
down your door to confiscate your computer if you have
copyrighted material on it.
Do not even have to have anything on it (the computer), with a warrant and 'due cause' they can take the computer and have it tied up as evidence for a long time. All it takes is an 'expert witness'.
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Elf Wizard
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| Re: Yeah you'll be scared they need a warrent to enter, i myself have a PC with music files, but i dont share them i only download then close the program. i can ping it on my network but its missing somewhere in the house.......
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| Re: Yeah you'll be scared said by Kearnstd :
they need a warrent to enter, i myself have a PC with music files, but i dont share them i only download then close the program. i can ping it on my network but its missing somewhere in the house.......
Yes they do need a warrant, and the fact that you downloaded files without paying the RIAA et al for them now makes you a hardened criminal. Somehow I do not think that was the original intent of the laws, but that is what the interpretation looks like it is being forced to.
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| Re: Yeah you'll be scared said by Konaguy :
Would you care to expand on your comment further ?
Just that the way the laws are written now, the police/FBI/other John Law can with 'due cause' (that is in quotes because many, including many cops apparently do not believe that it is truly due cause) be issued a warrant and told to go get your computer (and you too). Then with the backlog of court cases, your machine is tied up as evidence until after the trial or whatever is finished.
Thus far to the best of my knowledge this has only been done for true criminals and kid porn, but technically it can be forced if the RIAA and associates want to do it. And remember, in the US of A, money talks very loud, unless you can change that to being picked on because you are in certain minority groups.
This is from just one law enforcement source, I do not know how other areas of the country feel about this. And a good lawyer may be able to circumvent some of this.
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Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
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I should've been more clear---How can they justify a
search warrant when the computer has no copyrighted/illegal
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| Re: Yeah you'll be scared said by Konaguy :
I should've been more clear---How can they justify a
search warrant when the computer has no copyrighted/illegal
material on it ?
Bingo. Just the fact it was traced to your IP at the time can be good enough.
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@mindspring.com
| True, one would be scared. But I'd insist that they take all the computers in the garage also - several old 8088's, wang pc's, 80286, 80386's and some 80486's. My wide would most likely be very happy to get rid of my old "parts" pc's that could still work, but haven't been turned on in years. One question? Would I have to accept having them returned to me? I have about 50 of 'em but it's a lot of work to take them out to the recyle station. | |
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| Re: Yeah you'll be scared said by Never toss anything:
Would I have to accept having them returned to me? I have about 50 of 'em but it's a lot of work to take them out to the recyle station.
That is a question I can not answer, do not know anyone in that field. Be an interesting way to get rid of junk (assuming you had your real machine hidden and a dummy in place).
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Elf Wizard
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danc694u
And Your Point Is?
join:2002-01-10
Moody, AL
| said by Konaguy :
Yeah you'll be scared when the FBI or US Customs knocks
down your door to confiscate your computer if you have
copyrighted material on it.
Unfortunately, I'm like 95% of America. My entire hard drive is filled with copyrighted material.
Since I can't write the code, I'm forced to use copyrighted material. Which I paid for.
NOW...with that piece of information out there. I hand you this piece.
Have you not noticed the number of people using P2P software, that have no clue what folder(s) they are supposed to be sharing? Therefore they are sharing their entire hard drive!!!
Are they but COMMON criminals? Or just idiots that have no idea how they are supposed to set up their software?
Not everyone can be a PC expert. Not everyone even comes close to understanding PC security. Even those of us who do understand these things. Hit a snag from time to time.
Will we be locking up all these defined idiots? Or will we give them a mulligan?
When calling for the immediate enforcement of these laws. Be very carefull what you wish for. It could be your 80 year old grandmother that gets hauled off to jail next week.
Don't say this can't happen. Because our NUMBER 1 rule in the US courts is...Ignorance of the law, is not an excuse/defense.
You can't say, quit downloading P2P software. Because WinXP now allows for easy remote access. Therefore can be set up to work like P2P.
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| Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 | Major offenders get slap in jail. Minor offenders get a slap on the forehead. Happy Surfing | |
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| nater5308
join:2002-07-13
Omaha, NE | Thats why I keep a bottle of gasoline and and aim and flame next to my computer. | |
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DJ
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join:2001-06-13
Columbus, GA
 ·Knology
| BEWARE!!! quote:
According to Ishikawa, we'll see major arrests in October of people who have been illegally (and flagrantly) sharing movies. With the evidence already gathered, the game is afoot, meaning this week is too late to stop sharing those movies and expect to get away with it. This might be a good time to get a lawyer.
Now, I've never shared actual movies, but this line sure in hell scares me. If what he says is true, then DSLR's news threads will be very different come October. Take the time to read the article, it's not long at all. This is a credible source stating big things could be brewing.
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join:2001-12-01
Las Vegas, NV
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| Re: BEWARE!!! Yes if what the article says is true, then October should be interesting.
Personally i dont run any irc or p2p servers that ever contain copyrighted material, but im sure there a few here who do so heavily. I remember seeing an article a while back here about some guy who had 40 gigs of stuff constantly shared (and how he was the RIAA's "worst nightmare") and many BBR posters commented how that was "nothing" compared to what they had basically.
Surely dont wanna see any of our friendly folks from these parts get in trouble, but it's starting to sound like some of em would be wise to be a bit more carefull about what they do with their connections
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| Re: BEWARE!!! The thing is, if someone who posts on these forums does get busted, we probably won't hear about it right away. At least not from them. As part of the case against them their PC would probably get taken as evidence. Also they may be under court order to not go online until the trial and/or not discuss the case.
They will simply disappear from these forums...
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05
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| Re: BEWARE!!! said by stet :
Also they may be under court order to not go online until the trial and/or not discuss the case.
They will simply disappear from these forums...
Try to enforce a court order like that. The only way you'd be able to do it on me is to put me in a jail cell and deny me bail-- not very likely to happen for this type of crime.
There are so many places to get access.
1. Public library
2. Local colleges
3. Friends' houses
4. Work
Just try and stop me. I have nothing but contempt for a court system that gives merit to the DMCA anyway.
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| Surfinusa
Premium
join:2001-02-08 | Love to see how this concept plays out. Will be very interesting. Happy Surfing | |
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| kon16ov2
join:2000-12-29
Dayton, OH
| This may be a neophyte response (though, I don't think so...), but why don't people who are worried by this, for whatever reason, archive everything of dubious legality to CD (since what are the odds someone is downloading gigs of aud/vid w/out CDR access?) and store it off-site? This would render the PCs clean and open up the good folks at the DMCA-enforceing companies for a boatload of wrongful prosecution lawsuits, especially considering the number of folks who use DHCP-based ISPs...it's not like I couldn't be assigned the IP address of someone who downloaded a terabyte a day, you know?
Bah. Loopholes. Bah.
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Konaguy
Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Kailua Kona, HI
·Hawaiian Telcom
| Re: Archive? Re: BEWARE!!! " someone is downloading gigs of aud/vid w/out CDR access?) and store it off-site? This would render the PCs clean and open up the good folks at the DMCA-enforceing companies for a boatload of "
Uh even if you remove it from the hard drive, data traces
of dubious legal stuff will be still there on the hard drive
ripe for US Customs foresnics team to crawl over. | |
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Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27
Labrador | This is where those hard drive pullout swap caddies can really become useful. | |
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join:2002-02-18
Orlando, FL
| Re: BEWARE!!! quote:
In response to DavidJK
Re: BEWARE!!!
This is where those hard drive pullout swap caddies can really become useful.
Precisely what I was thinking.  If you're REALLY worried about this, go buy another hard drive, swap it in and install your legal copy of Windows on that. Keep your drives somewhere safe till this crap blows over. heh =) | |
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join:2000-12-29
Dayton, OH
| ....if you're worried about forensic traces then you're not deleting the files properly. There are scads of software packages out there that render forensic traces useless. Nothing like scouring 15 to 1024-passes worth of "0"s...
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Crisis Management Squad
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join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
clubs: | Calm down... they're not gonna do shit. | |
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join:2000-04-06
Seattle, WA
clubs: | Re: Wanna know what's scary Well obviously our evil hyprocrite CEO here watches the same sci-fi that you do...
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Dont buy cds
@mindspring.com | Is it illegal to NOT buy overpriced cd's? Why not a law demanding that every American has to buy at least one cd a year. | |
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kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA
·AT&T Southeast
| Bring it on
Now that's pretty damned funny | |
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| Jwatch
Premium
join:2002-09-04
Woonsocket, RI | Re: Bring it on word.
I hear school-yard crack dealers are only getting probation nowadays. Meanwhile, no radio stations can even afford the fee's it cost to stream transmissions over the web.
I hate everyone. | |
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rvannoy
Commitment To Excellence
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join:2001-04-24
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join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA | Re: Bring it on | |
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| IcyFire
Flammable Ice
join:2001-05-30
Somewhere | TV, 3 square meals a day, Hey and all at the expense of tax payers?! Im there!
oh and yeah.. that lame TSP company can bite me. | |
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kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA | Address hard to find?
BayTSP
3150 Almaden Expressway Suit 234
San Jose, CA 95118
(408) 979-7900 | |
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| averagedude
join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ | Re: Address hard to find? LOL  LOL LOL | |
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Premium
join:2001-02-08 | OOPS OUCH!!! | |
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Tomek
Premium
join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY | Does anyone have a nuke? | |
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join:2002-08-13 | Somebody posted a while back screenshots from Tiny Personal Firewall with the port addresses and settings to block RIAA from your computer.
Does anybody have the same info for BayTSP? | |
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dyehard
join:2002-05-12
Phoenixville, PA | how can they fit 30mill more people in jail i cant see it only if they build more jails
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phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ
| Re: how can they fit 30mill more people in jail A nation divided. Everything south of the Mason Dixon line is for all the law breakers. There will be a great impenetratable wall built all the way around this area to house all the illegal file swappers.
OR, how about turning the island of Manhattan into a giant penal colonoy for all the law breakers. I remember seeing this in a movie a few years ago.
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| elboomboom
join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA | I am guilty of downloading..............Lock me up.......hehehe | |
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Shipon
Roflcopter
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Anaheim, CA
| If this does happen... Well, if things come worse and organizations like this can enforce the DMCA at will, then I must say "Good-bye, America.".
Because this country will be going to the dogs that day, that's why!
In the meantime...I will be glad to continue sharing music and movies. Let's see the government try to arrest 30 million people. It won't happen.
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kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA | More info www.copacommission.org/meetings/hearing3/ishikawa.pdf
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join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
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| 250,000 He wants to match images to a database of 250,000 kid porn images????
WTF. He's really just a perv trying to work both sides of the law.
How many people do they actually catch with 1/2 of an image that they cant tell what is?
And even if they did, they havnt actually done anything wrong have they if there is half a picture with nothing on it. That seems like they would be handing pedifiles a strong defense.
Keeping 250,000 kiddy porn images even if for a supposed good purpose just seems wrong anyway.
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join:2002-09-02
Pasadena, TX
|  Enforcer?
Since when does a business have the authority to enforce anything? I thought only "law enforcement" had the authority to enforce the law.
Kinda sounds like the Internal Revenue SERVICE, which is not a government agency, but has the authority to storm your house with weapons, seize your property and take you into custody. It seems Big Brothers are popping up everywhere. | |
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Rusty_Rebar
join:2002-05-04
Chico, CA | Um...?? So what happens if I have a big ol ftp store offshore? | |
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Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA | Re: Um...?? Then you flip them the bird. | |
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tomkb
Premium
join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs: | Just encrypt Encrypt your entire filesystem and be done with them. | |
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join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
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[text was edited by author 2002-09-21 12:13:53] | |
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join:2001-02-09
Hayward, CA | Why don't you post his home address and mug shot so we know where to look. | |
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@ba-dsg.net | Re: Mark Ishikawa @BayTSP Why bother? For $3.95 anyone can get it from www.knowx.com. | |
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@pacbell.n | You look at my earlier post on this thread I posted their middle names, ages and a link to their homes, and phone #'s | |
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kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA
·AT&T Southeast
| Practicality
1)Hire people who can't identify a computer
2)Create a force of geeks to check their computers and a redundant team to check theirs and yet another team to check on them.
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join:2002-02-18
Orlando, FL
| Re: Practicality quote:
the next logical step employ a force of 10000 FILE TRADER RAIDERS yes that is it Task Forces the gov't comes up with work so well
Task forces that work so well.. Oh, you mean like the DEA and their Drug Czar? *snicker*
Sorry, I couldn't leave that one out.
And remember, kids. The 'war' on drugs is a joke. | |
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Spike401
Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27
Labrador | Re: Practicality A joke is right, a $$$$$$$$$$$$ joke. All drugs must be stopped, we (the govt) arent getting our cut!!
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join:2002-01-27
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join:2001-04-30
San Jose, CA | Re: ROFL! HA HA HA
It's all hype!
They better get with it if they want to be effective.
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join:2002-07-02
Saint Paul, MN
| Quick observations A couple quick observations :
1) Why is it that they always insist on lumping file traders in with child pornographers? I may be going out on a limb here, but sharing an MP3 is a far cry from trading in kiddie porn in my book. What bothers me is that they use the worst case offenders (and I think most people would agree kiddie porn traders are the lowest of the low) to get their foot in the door. Eventually, you have a database of everyone; that is the part that bothers me the most. It also concerns me that the DMCA sidesteps some of search and seizure law - the fifth amendment is very clear - it is appalling to me that this stupid, unconstitutional law is still in effect and is in the process of undermining the process which has served us very well up to this point.
2) Why is it that these busts always seem to happen near the end of year? Operation Buccaneer happened near to the end of the year if my memory serves me correctly. Other high profile operations of this nature seem to have a similar pattern. What is the logic in this? | |
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| kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Quick observations You are the most heinous of all criminals you are stealing food from the mouths of CEO children and preventing them from being able to pay parking tickets for their 55K+ rides they drive around.
Kiddy Porn the RMPIAA doesn't make any money on that yet so not as important.
Why wait till the end of the year
BUDGETS most police forces and other gov't agencies get to burn up that last bit of cash at the end of the year.
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join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA
·AT&T Southeast
| 877-9baytsp Call now call often This gets funnier all the time... | |
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join:2001-10-15
Baldwin Park, CA
clubs:
| Re: 877-9baytsp Call now call often i hacked the symbol..
after i printed it out and hacked it with an axe
don't worry
its protected.. from being read or looked at
plus the trash can has encrypted the bits of paper
by hiding the real contents with what looks like
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itopc
@pacbell.n | interesting, i guess my computer could dial a "wrong number"
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join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| Re: 877-9baytsp Call now call often said by itopc:
interesting, i guess my computer could dial a "wrong number"
a thousand times a day, their dime too!
I strongly advise you not to do that. You can be traced, even if you use Caller ID blocking. If you're going to do this, do it from a pay phone. | |
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