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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| I'll tell ya what makes me happy... Get the hell out of the way of technological change.
Go bury your dinosaur heads in the sand and let the free market decide how content is delivered, instead of legislating, dictating, and otherwise scaring the pants off of people trying to protect your cash cows.
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|  | wjwallace3
join:2002-01-17
Mount Tabor, NJ
| Re: I'll tell ya what makes me happy... I don't know why people feel that it is fair to trade movies and music for free, and then get pissed off when someone tells them to stop.
Would you shoplift a DVD from the store? Probably not, but its the same thing. When the studio or record company loses money, the artists suffer.
I agree that the gov't should not change the laws to protect the industry, but they should change laws to protect copyrights in general.
And no, I don't work for a studio or record company. | |
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raz58
NSFW
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join:1999-08-15
Tucson, AZ
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| Re: I'll tell ya what makes me happy... said by wjwallace3  :
When the studio or record company loses money, the artists suffer
Read this, »www.janisian.com/article-interne···cle.html
Then tell us who screws the artists.
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| said by wjwallace3 :
I don't know why people feel that it is fair to trade movies and music for free, and then get pissed off when someone tells them to stop.
I don't know why you care about what I do with my personal property.
I'm all for fairly compensating artists, and the studios, for that matter. My point is that they need to embrace technology and a new business model instead of forcing us, the consumers, the very people that give them their existence, into not having choices about formats, copying to new formats, fair use, etc.
They would rather us be enslaved to their outdated philosophy than to change. Paid subscription model-it works. Just ask any porn site that charges for access.
Going to the record store and buying another tripe filled CD with one or two good tracks for $20 isn't going to work for them much longer. They need to evolve, and perhaps "piracy" is the swift kick in the balls they need/deserve.
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grunteled
Puffy And Prickly
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join:2001-06-13
Kansas City, MO
clubs:
| If you have nothing new to say, why post? We have all heard more times than is humane the various shoplifting, armed robbery, rape, murder, theft, and other legal analogies given to this issue. I don't need to hear it again. It's simply not a persuasive argument in the face of the legislation they want today.
I reject outright the notion that movies should be free and that you are entitled to steal them. I also reject outright the notion that we should have implants in our stereos, cars, palm pilots, TVs, cable boxes, mp3 players, speakers, cd drives, ears, eyes, and computers to protect their property. My computer is NOT a home entertainment device, and it angers me and many others when it is treated as one. They can, like all other property owners, attack the distributers of stolen property and leave the rest of us alone.
Please spare the world another shoplifting DVDs/CDs argument. Please..... | |
| | | randysavage0
join:2002-04-16
Fayetteville, AR | Mr. wallace.... has anyone told you the difference between tangible property and intangible property?
Come post again when you shoplift a copyright. | |
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stickfigure
join:2002-06-11
El Cajon, CA
|  Bunch of crap....
frickin idiot... | |
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phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ | Re: Bunch of crap.... In other words, a BIG GIANT SCREW up the consumers ARSE!!
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY |  Re: Bunch of crap....
BOHICA | |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| The MPAA has more of a beef Unlink music CD's movies on DVD are IMHO worth the money. People are just impatient. If DVD's were released sooner I imagine that movie piracy would be lessened. Face it, when you can get virutally any movie at deepdiscountdvd or another retailer for under $18 including freight...that's a reasonable price point and one that's hard to beat.
Don't wait 12 months to release the movie on video when it's been long dead at the box office.
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stickfigure
join:2002-06-11
El Cajon, CA
| Re: The MPAA has more of a beef Have to agree with you on this. Funny thing is, most of the people I know that download a movie buy it on DVD cause they want all the extra stuff that comes on the disc.
said by count hogula:
Don't wait 12 months to release the movie on video when it's been long dead at the box office.
think thats a good point. a lot of people will download it just because it's not in a video store or available for purchase | |
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| said by Count Hogula$ :
Unlike music CD's movies on DVD are IMHO worth the money.
Especially when you see the following picture at your local music/movie store:
"Harry Potter" DVD .......... $15
"Harry Potter" soundtrack ... $19
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Re: The MPAA has more of a beef said by Pirate515 :
said by Count Hogula$ :
Unlike music CD's movies on DVD are IMHO worth the money.
Especially when you see the following picture at your local music/movie store:
"Harry Potter" DVD .......... $15
"Harry Potter" soundtrack ... $19
DeepdiscountCD has the HP&SS CD soundtrack for under $12 new including shipping. Most people complaining about CD prices don't shop...but even at $12...CD's are a rip compared to movies.
$19 is list for the CD like the DVD list is $27...but like DVDs, CDs can be had cheap with a little shopping effort.
What it does make you wonder is who is really making the money? Record labels...doesn't look like it. Retailers look like they're getting the discs for a steal then ripping people for them.
I would be interested in seeing what the wholesale prices are for new release CD's like Feminem.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| I have a prime example of that Hog. Just today I was at my local grocery store and I saw Monsters Inc. on sale for $14.99. This is for the special edition DVD mind you, not some featureless DVD or VHS product. $15 for a newly released DVD with all the goodies we love to get in DVD's. This was a major blockbuster in the theatres too. Not like the multitudes of Killer Klowns from Outer Space DVD's I see at Best Buy for $10 a pop.
What I can't fathom is how the record industry can continue to release audio CD's at prices just as high as Monsters Inc., a movie with video, audio, and extra features? The RIAA says the costs of the CD reflect the marketing overhead. BAH!! The Monsters Inc. DVD has had TV commercials run nationwide as well as huge displays in the stores and all that other promotional stuff and they aren't overcharging for their product. The only thing that is hurting the music industry is the industry leaders themselves. Start making CD's with extra features in them so people will WANT to buy them. Start selling CD's at about $10 or less and you will see unit sales go up, up, up.
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Re: The MPAA has more of a beef Because CD revenue is nearly the sole source of revenue for record labels. Monster's Inc. had a world wide box office showing, plus DVD rights (including rental rights), plus PPV rights, plus CATV rights plus off-air TV rights.
That's a lot of sources of income, versus CD's having some merchandising, tours and CD sales...that's pretty much it.
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| | | | luckylar
join:2002-01-29
Hixson, TN
| Re: The MPAA has more of a beef said by Count Hogula$ :
Because CD revenue is nearly the sole source of revenue for record labels. Monster's Inc. had a world wide box office showing, plus DVD rights (including rental rights), plus PPV rights, plus CATV rights plus off-air TV rights.
That's a lot of sources of income, versus CD's having some merchandising, tours and CD sales...that's pretty much it.
Your point is made. BUT, how much was spent making the movie compared to the making of the CD? | |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA | Re: The MPAA has more of a beef Look at Mariah Carey...$40 million contract...most movies cost about $40M. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: The MPAA has more of a beef Monsters Inc.'s production budget was $115 million. A tad higher than Mariah Carey, and she is one of the rare exceptions in regards to production costs. Most albums have a pretty low production budget all things considered. I would say the cost to make an album would be less than one million dollars in regards to standard artist advances, engineering and studio time, mastering and glass master pressing, art design, etc. Plus you don't see television commercials all over the place for all of the label artists nor do you see the kind of advertising the film industry does. I believe these and other considerations should balance out the comparison between movie options and CD options. | |
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pepperhead
join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| That's how much they were going to give her. They more than likely thought they could get at least twice that back. But she had a mental breakdown, she is pop and she has been around for quite some time. The public had moved on to the new flavor of the month. The record company over paid and decided to cut their losses and pay her to get rid of her contract. And this wasn't a one cd deal either.
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pepperhead
join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| said by SRFireside :
The RIAA says the costs of the CD reflect the marketing overhead. BAH!! The Monsters Inc. DVD has had TV commercials run nationwide as well as huge displays in the stores and all that other promotional stuff and they aren't overcharging for their product.
They love to say that. What about the CD the don't advertise? It not my fault they have spend all this money pumping up talentless artist that look good.
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Start selling CD's at about $10 or less and you will see unit sales go up, up, up.
"Exactly Odo Quasi Modo" - John Prine
They don't even have to go that low for me to start buying them again. It would be nice. But till then my dollars are going to DVD's.
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kilingspam
join:2001-04-30
San Jose, CA
| I REFUSE TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN! I spent thousands of dollars on records, then did it again to have them on cd's.
THEY HELL if I am going to pay to have them in another format AGAIN!
I spent thousands of dollars on videotapes, then did it again on DVD's.
THE HELL if I am going to pay to have them in another format AGAIN!
Once I have a copy of what I ALREADY PAID FOR DIGITALLY, I will put it in ANY DAMN FORMAT I CHOOSE!
I REFUSE TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN!
I WILL GIVE IT ALL UP BEFORE I DO THAT! | |
| cbs228
Geeks Of The World, Unite
join:2000-09-04
Saint Louis, MO
|  fair use?
"What good is a phone call if you are unable to speak?" (Agent Smith, The Matrix) The DMCA makes our fair use rights irrelevant.
Consumers will not be satisfied until the media they buy performs to their expectations, not some Hollywood exec's expectations.
So here's what we want!
1. No more DRM or copy protection. Not only does it impede on our fair use rights, but dedicated pirates can and will hack, crack, or otherwise render ineffective any system anyone can devise. The idea that one cannot update old media to newer versions or protect media that one has rightfully purchased against accidental destruction is absolutely ludicrous.
2. No more unconstitutional laws! Please!
3. Fair Prices. Yes RIAA, I am talking to YOU.
4. Fair artist compensation. And don't call $0.85 out of $19.00 fair!
5. Public Domain. Copyright protection is meant to have limited terms and not unlimited terms. 75 years after the author's death is unreasonable when a patent only lasts 7. Will the next generation even know what public domain is?
6. Consumer Friendly Technology: Leave the technology research, development, and testing to the technology companies. Leave the media creation to the media companies. In doing so the growth of new, consumer friendly, technologies will be encouraged. And by consumer friendly I do not mean a player which will restrict how the user can view the media.
When this is done, the industry may flourish once again. Until then the situation will only worsen.
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| oxothuk
join:2001-10-01
Boulder, CO
| I disagree with BOTH sides. I really have a hard time with argument that sharing CDs and DVDs with hundreds of acquaintances at your college or millions of strangers on KaZaa is the same "fair use" as burning a copy to use in the car. Is that really any less extreme than the MPAA position (which they really haven't changed since before the BetaMax decision) that there is no such thing as "fair use"?
On the one hand, I am strongly opposed to GOVERNMENT-MANDATED copy protection which stifles innovation and protects the existing entertainment cartels. On the other hand, if Disney wants to treat me like a criminal by copy-protecting their movies they have both my blessing to do so and my promise to buy someone else's movies instead of theirs. I have no right to their movies, nor they to my money, except as mutually agreed. | |
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