 Foxbat121
join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA | What MPAA really like... is products like Divx player - you have to pay everytime you watch the movie. It's not about copyright. It's all about greed and power of control. | |
|  | TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| Re: What MPAA really like... said by Foxbat121  :
is products like Divx player - you have to pay everytime you watch the movie. It's not about copyright. It's all about greed and power of control.
...and we all know what a HUGE success those things were! | |
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tomkb
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join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs: | So what >>would have in place to protect a $100 million movie
So what, what about my right not to have to purchase your movie twice due to a defective dvd?? Fair use is fair use, change with the times or step aside for another to fill your place. | |
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| Re: So what Thats funny. I was looking in the cover of one of my older CDs. If Im not mistaken it was Sade, Diamond Life. It has a label that said if the CD had any defects in workmanship, call this 800 number or write this address for a replacement!
Can you believe that!?
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
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join:2002-09-24
Huntington Beach, CA
| Re: So what said by dnoyeB :
Thats funny. I was looking in the cover of one of my older CDs. If Im not mistaken it was Sade, Diamond Life. It has a label that said if the CD had any defects in workmanship, call this 800 number or write this address for a replacement!
Can you believe that!?
Wonder if that warranty would apply to the content? That's the issue for traders. Let's say just for argument that people are willing to pay the high prices for CD's...should they have to buy, disc unheard, or will they get a refund if it sucks like we do when we buy a T.V. from Best Buy?
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| If the DVD is truly defective, and not damaged by you, then return it to the store you got it from. If it's a bad run of discs then generally the producing company will do a replacement. Manga's recient release of "End of Evangelion" seems to be defective due to bad mastering on their end. It is expected that they will issue a press release soon explaining how the disc exchange will take place.
If you scratched the disc yourself then it's your own problem. Pre-DMCA free usage would have allowed you to make a backup of your new disc to use while keeping your original in a safe place. Personally I want this freedom back.
Of course free usage doesn't and never did mean you can make backups of your original for everyone else and mass distribute it.
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| vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Exaggeration at its finest! "If this bill were to pass, it would render ineffective, worthless and useless any protection measure we would have in place to protect a $100 million movie… You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it."
Even if the bill WERE to pass, where in the HE!L could you use fair use to protect yourself if you were cought downloading a bunch of movies that you never bought to begin with. See this is why lawyers have such a bad rep also, blowing things out of proportion.
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| | randysavage0
join:2002-04-16
Fayetteville, AR
| Re: Exaggeration at its finest! hey, don't hate the players 
They're just seeing their own tactics used against them.... I think it's kinda funny actually. It's good to see atleast a couple people in Congress that can turn down money (or stab their donors in the back )
Hopefully the compromise isn't anywhere near the middle of the two sides.... we would get screwed. | |
| | | vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: Exaggeration at its finest! said by randysavage0 :
hey, don't hate the players
They're just seeing their own tactics used against them.... I think it's kinda funny actually. It's good to see atleast a couple people in Congress that can turn down money (or stab their donors in the back )
I dont think that there is anybody in congress that can turn money down, but BOY did you hit the nail on the head with that second suggestion;).
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| | | Beeper
Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
clubs:
| said by randysavage0 :
It's good to see at least a couple people in Congress that can turn down money (or stab their donors in the back )
Here you can find who donates to what candidate.
»www.opensecrets.org/
RICK BOUCHER (D-VA)
Top Contributors
1 VeriSign Inc $11,375
2 American Bankers Assn $10,000
2 Exelon Corp $10,000
2 Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $10,000
2 National Auto Dealers Assn $10,000
6 Verizon Communications $9,500
7 MBNA Corp $8,000
7 SBC Communications $8,000
9 Laborers Union $7,500
10 Assn of Trial Lawyers of America $6,000
10 BellSouth Corp $6,000
10 Patton Boggs $6,000
10 Southern Co $6,000
14 El Paso Corp $5,500
14 Travelocity.com $5,500
16 American Electric Power $5,000
16 Cmte for Southwest Virginia $5,000
16 FirstEnergy Corp $5,000
16 Lehman Brothers $5,000
16 Microsoft Corp $5,000
16 National Mining Assn $5,000
16 National Venture Capital Assn $5,000
16 Pharmacia Corp $5,000
16 Teamsters Union $5,000
16 United Auto Workers $5,000
I don't see any stabbing in the back going on from Boucher. The telcos like the profits their DSL provides them that consumers use to exploit P2P systems. Verizon is in a spat with RIAA right now.
ZOE LOFGREN (D-CA)
Top Contributors
1 Intuit Inc $10,000
1 National Assn of Realtors $10,000
3 National Venture Capital Assn $8,000
4 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $5,400
5 Assn of Trial Lawyers of America $5,000
5 Emily's List $5,000
5 Genentech Inc $5,000
5 Laborers Union $5,000
5 WorldCom Inc $5,000
10 National Assn of Letter Carriers $4,500
11 Ruby & Schofield $4,250
12 Acropolis Systems $4,000
12 American Medical Assn $4,000
12 National Education Assn $4,000
15 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $3,500
16 National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $3,464
17 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $3,400
18 American Intellectual Property Law Assn $3,160
19 BJS Electronics $3,000
19 Ironworkers Union $3,000
19 Sun Microsystems $3,000
I'd bet she wishes she didn't get $5,000 from Worldcom.
What about the curious donor ranked #18? I can't find anything AIPLA has to say on filetrading, DCMA, or DRM, but they do have an opinion on sexually reproducing plants and seeds.
»www.aipla.org/html/pioneerhibred.html
I am pretty sure these two Representatives are not bought and paid for. They both beat their opponents by 70%-30% margins in 2000.
I hope that their proposals get traction in the next Congress.
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI | Re: Exaggeration at its finest! As I understand it, this is only the "hard" contributions, but not the soft money? | |
| | | | | Beeper
Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
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| Re: Exaggeration at its finest! Correct. Really, only the hard dollars matter. Here's why.
Soft money becomes illegal on 11/06/2002.
Soft money has gone to party building, get out the vote drives, issue ads, and the like.
»ask.yahoo.com/ask/20000217.html
Opinions differ on how elections are going to be changed by the elimination of soft money. I suspect that things will be unchanged.
One reason I think things will be unchanged is that the law will be set aside as unconstitutional. If McCain-Feingold is struck down, nothing changes. If the reform is constitutional, I suspect that the Democratic Party will develop a case of buyer's remorse once the massive hard dollar advantage the GOP has takes effect and Democrats have their lunch handed to them in 2004.
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| | | | randysavage0
join:2002-04-16
Fayetteville, AR | well, that settles it!!!
They are just pissed off they didn't get a couple hundred grand from the RIAA. | |
| | TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| said by vic102482 :
"If this bill were to pass, it would render ineffective, worthless and useless any protection measure we would have in place to protect a $100 million movie… You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it."
Funny, "ineffective", "worthless", and "useless" pretty much describes every form of copy protection they've come up with already. Who can forget the pathetic attempt that was thwarted by a magic marker? Or the CSS protection that was cracked by some kid in his spare time? | |
| | | vic102482
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: Exaggeration at its finest! said by TheWickerMan :
said by vic102482 :
"If this bill were to pass, it would render ineffective, worthless and useless any protection measure we would have in place to protect a $100 million movie… You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it."
Funny, "ineffective", "worthless", and "useless" pretty much describes every form of copy protection they've come up with already. Who can forget the pathetic attempt that was thwarted by a magic marker? Or the CSS protection that was cracked by some kid in his spare time?
The RIAA says that never existed, they dont know what you are talking about!
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| Never work The strength of the scheme will have to be proportional to the desire to crack it. about 200 million people will be out to crack it, directly or indirectly.
It is guaranteed to fail and end up some congressman out on the golf course.
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BellBoy
Obama racist? Then Bush is Hitler.
Premium
join:2001-02-20
Los Angeles, CA
clubs:
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|  What's the REAL cost??
I wouldn't necessarily mind paying for a film or music over the net, but I think what has to be thought out is this: what is a property actually worth? Is a film from 1941 worth less than a film from 2001? Should someone pay more for "Big Daddy" than for "Gone With The Wind"? Just because a film cost $100 Million to produce, should the consumer pay more to see it in another medium just because it tanked at the box office?
There are films that are considered classic and have been shown on TV hundreds of thousands of times, yet nowhere on the net can those films be found for download from a major studio for a fee (or even for free). How much would you pay to have a DivX quality copy of "Sergeant York," "Citizen Kane," or "Singin' In The Rain"? $4.00? $2.00? $.50? In the same context, how about "Titanic," "Star Wars," or "The Matrix"? Those films made buckets of cash. So should we have to pay more for those films simply because of the demand they would generate? Would it soothe the studios to offer films for free if they threw in commercials every 20 minutes or so?
My point is that the quality of a film (or album for that matter) is so subjective--each and every person will have a different opinion as to its worth. Determining how much to pay for a "$100 Million movie" as Mr. Valenti put it, is close to impossible because the studios will always be looking for the profits that never came from a box office disappointment.
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| | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: What's the REAL cost?? some movies may make buckets of cash, but this is the movie industry and those execs want dumptrucks of cash as buckets arent enough.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Let's not forget the movie industry is about as bad as the music industry. Movie theaters hardly get any money from the movies they show. They have to make a living off of inflated concession prices. I have seen the figures on the movies they are complaining about being traded online. They have made hefty profits from these films. I'm not talking a little profit. I am talking more money than most movies ever make. And that's just ticket sales. We are not even factoring DVD sales, rentals, cable, television premiers and merchandising.
This is another "cry me a river" sympathy ploy if you ask me.
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BellBoy
Obama racist? Then Bush is Hitler.
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Los Angeles, CA
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| Re: What's the REAL cost?? said by SRFireside :
Let's not forget the movie industry is about as bad as the music industry. Movie theaters hardly get any money from the movies they show. They have to make a living off of inflated concession prices. I have seen the figures on the movies they are complaining about being traded online. They have made hefty profits from these films. I'm not talking a little profit. I am talking more money than most movies ever make. And that's just ticket sales. We are not even factoring DVD sales, rentals, cable, television premiers and merchandising.
This is another "cry me a river" sympathy ploy if you ask me.
I hope you don't misunderstand me...
I'm certainly not on the studio's or Valenti's side. I agree with you, the studios are the first to run to the media with box office scores and the last to run to court to prove that their accounting numbers are wrong. Anyone remember the "Coming To America" lawsuit that Art Buchwald brought against Paramount, et al.?
As far as the theater owners go, they're digging their own graves. $3.50 for a little bag of candy? Give me a break! Whenever I can, I head to a local store and buy whatever I want to eat. The only exception is that I'll buy popcorn--mostly out of guilt.
Plus, building a 1,000-plex is not really good for business. Hell, the majority of the screens have the latest film that sucks anyway so any film I actually want to see is banished to the early or the late show. F*** THAT!
If the studios and the theater owners had a brain between them, they'd take a hint from the art houses and sprinkle some older classics or avant guard films into the mix to bring in a different audience--along with the brainiacs that can't wait to see the latest David Spade fiasco.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Re: What's the REAL cost?? My intent was to only add to your comment so don't worry, I didn't misunderstand you.
However regarding the price of snacks at the theaters they really don't have much choice. I don't know how little they actually get, but I do know the theaters depend on those elevated prices just to keep the theaters open. Over here in Austin there is a theater called Alamo Draft House that does show some classics as well as new movies. They also show some oddball movies that have cult followings. Plus they serve real food too. It's a shame your common theaters don't go back to the classics. There is a possibility they can't due to licensing. Another issue to take up with the movie industry.
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NJChris
PS3 Xbox ID Zzaz
Premium
join:2000-02-08
Pompton Lakes, NJ
| A million movies a day! Wow.. what kind of connection does someone need to d/l a million movies a day?? WOW!!!
And these movies being downloaded aren't as good quality, IMHO as a bought one. Would the people d/ling them actually have bought them?
RIAA & MPAA = morons.
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| hrsphil
join:2002-03-30
Philadelphia, PA | What about Palladium? What does this mean for TCPA/Palladium? I find that significantly more scary than pathetic copy-protection. Do these bills decriminalize deactivating TCPA stuff? | |
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Moon Sugar
join:2002-09-22
Chicago, IL
| I don't think this title is catchy enuff uh oh! Finally an issue I agree with a dem on  .. oh wait no I don't...
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
|  I am a criminal..according to the RIAA
I bought the music. I will do with it whatever I want. .
And the MPAA crying about movies..
They have to be leaked from them. Their security sucks. If they are worried about someone who sneaks a video camera in & records a movie that way, they should take a look at one of those. BAD picture, BAD sound, people walking in front of the camera. In short BAD, not worth taking the time to download, unless a person wants to do it just to say he did. | |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05
 ·VOIPo
| A million tears are falling... "If this bill were to pass, it would render ineffective, worthless and useless any protection measure we would have in place to protect a $100 million movie… You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it."
Boo-hoo. I feel really bad for you and all the actors out there, Jack. Maybe you all will have to get real jobs with realistic salaries if you want to buy that third yacht. I won't lose any sleep over this.
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