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China sees DSL Explosion, U.S. soon to lead
(old news - 11:17AM Thursday Dec 12 2002)
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Point Topic this week released their latest global DSL figures, which not only indicate that the worldwide DSL total has surpassed 30 million, but that the rate of DSL adoption in China is exploding. With roughly two million DSL lines, China is now the fifth largest DSL adopter behind South Korea, the US, Japan and Germany. While South Korea leads all nations in DSL line totals, the U.S. is expected to become the leader by year's end.

The explosion of Chinese broadband in general was predicted back in October, when research firm Strategy Analytics claimed the country would see 500% growth rates in 2002 and 654.7% in 2003. Nearly three-quarters of Chinese households use DSL, with China Telecom being the predominant provider. The Chinese government has been almost as dedicated to positioning China as a world leader in broadband adoption as it has been in developing web filters and squashing human rights.

Other firms have been equally optimistic about the country's broadband future, with The Yankee group predicting 19.2 million broadband subscribers in China by the end of 2006. In-Stat/MDR was a bit more ambitious, predicting that the country should see 30 to 40 million DSL subscribers alone by 2006, noting that almost three-quarters of current broadband subscribers in China use DSL. Point Topic believes China should be the "biggest broadband country within a few years".



The race for a "broadband Britain" isn't going nearly as well, as the UK is still well behind most countries in DSL adoption. Clocking in with 419,000 DSL lines at the end of September, the UK was ranked 13th in total DSL numbers and 24th in DSL lines per 100 population. Surely not good news for Tony Blair, who recently pledged to spend £1bn on a massive broadband push that would bring high speed internet into every school, university, and hospital.

Earlier this week, the DSL forum released a report (MS Word document) indicating that more than 5 million people worldwide signed up for DSL service between July 1 and Sept. 30 of this year, a twenty percent increase over the previous three-month period. The percentage jump was the largest ever recorded by the DSL Forum, who believe there should be 36 million DSL customers worldwide by year's end and 200 million DSL subscribers by 2005.

The complete Point Topic statistical breakdown can be found at the Point Topic website.

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pnh102
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HAH!

These guys must be smoking some oregano-laced crack. Install 500,000 DSL (my own estimate from looking at their graphs) lines in 3 weeks? I don't think that is gonna happen.
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Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: HAH!

Which graph are YOU looking at?
vztech4u

join:2002-12-06
Ventura, CA
R U Serious? Read this again!

literate

@205.173.x.x

Re: HAH!

uh, my numbers say 235,000 lines in three months. learn to read a chart.

chart reader

@205.173.x.x
Try 235,000 lines in three months assuming no growth in s. Korea.

cyberthugin

join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY

someone smoking something

I agree, this editor must be smoking some plaster fake crack. I have had dsl installed and it sucks, the line is not even reliable to begin with and you never get what you paid for, still telecom's are still pushing this technology becuase they haven't solved the last mile or just haven't implemented a better technology or solution to solve this. The cable companies are kicking these telecom's asses, becuase they know that dsl sucks. How can this editor make assumptions about dsl, to me it seems that the bulk of these people must be aol users(not web savvy).

Augustus III
If Only Rome Could See Us Now....

join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA

oh...

said by cyberthugin See Profile:
to me it seems that the bulk of these people must be aol users(not web savvy). I have had dsl installed and it sucks, the line is not even reliable to begin with and you never get what you paid for
well to make your day efnet just testlinked irc.aol.com enough said....

get real and stop bashing the technology because you don't like it. just because "So I did a wise decision and got a T1 installed, now I dont have to deal with restrictions from these capout providers" doesn't mean everybody has it.

»oop is good to some extent

burgermeister
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Utica, MI

Re: oh...

Ha! Almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw that.

burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk

join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI

Re: someone smoking something

Your bad experience with DSL, while it may mean a lot to you, does no mean everyone feels the same. I've had Cable and dumped it for DSL because I didn't like the service. Doesn't have much to do with the actual technology the service employs, but it has more to do with the moron companies employing it. Actually, I wouldn't really consider any Cable *or* telco on the 'cutting edge'.

You don't like DSL, but you don't speak for others. I love it.
nogueras4

join:2002-12-11
Torrance, CA
First learn to spell its (because).
Now as for DSL I have it for 2 years from Pacbell and I have no problems at all.Maybe it's your computer or just simply USER ERROR!!!!!

RiceSan

join:2002-01-15
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what else is new

Who finds this junk! How many people lives in CHINA?!?!?!? Even if 1/20 of the population it will leading the world!:o What a stupid piece of writing and what`s worse the guy who brought this to our attention!
[text was edited by author 2002-12-12 12:38:35]

Karl Bode
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Re: what else is new

Uh...thanks?

St0ney

join:2001-02-25
uranus

Re: what else is new

YEa why is it eevery month or so a report comes out on DSLR with a report on how China will lead in broadband???
same thing every month or so. we get the picture.

Karl Bode
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Re: what else is new

These are new stats showing new broadband global rankings....it's a new story....and in turn it's being posted here....ironically, on a broadband website.

If it's not your cup of tea, either submit a broadband story you think is more interesting, or don't read it I guess....

RiceSan

join:2002-01-15
111

Re: what else is new

Stats are ok, but there are alot more data that can be shared coming out of asia. I guess you guys are not getting the real meaty of topics like you should........

Karl Bode
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Re: what else is new

Well if you see something you believe is the "real meaty", and not covered by the weekly Asia-pac analysis, please feel free to educate us.

RiceSan

join:2002-01-15
111

Re: what else is new

I am not trying to be mean, but I will post info if it does appear meaty:)

weebies$
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I liked the story. Some times figures can put things in perspective - like how South Korea is the overall leader while being a much smaller country than the US and China. What the figures don't show is the difference in broadband data rates in different countries - it just lumps everything together. Here in the US I believe we have much lower DSL data rates compared to South Korea, Japan, and places in Europe. I'd like to see an article detailing the differences and the reasons behind this.
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RiceSan

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Re: what else is new

said by weebies$ See Profile:
I liked the story. Some times figures can put things in perspective - like how South Korea is the overall leader while being a much smaller country than the US and China. What the figures don't show is the difference in broadband data rates in different countries - it just lumps everything together. Here in the US I believe we have much lower DSL data rates compared to South Korea, Japan, and places in Europe. I'd like to see an article detailing the differences and the reasons behind this.

Thats funny how in the world can you say its cheaper in the usa? Where we are paying from 2200 yen or $17.00 to 4200 or $36.00 for 12MBPS speed?!??!?!?

weebies$
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Re: what else is new

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Our DSL data rates are much less than yours while our prices for that service are much more. Example someone here in the US can pay $50/mo. (or more) for 1500Kps download with 128Kps upload. Here in the US we pay much more for a much inferior product. I was trying to point out that what passes for DSL broadband here would be considered substandard in other countries - something the statistics do not take into account. It is like comparing apples to oranges - they are both fruits but definitely not the same thing.

Unfortunately we have almost no fiber deployment in the US (or at least useful fiber deployment - there's is a lot of fiber in the ground that is not connected). Here's my look at fiber deployment in the US.

»News Flash: New Company to Provide FTTH to Saturn

Thanks for the reply. Hope I explained myself better in this post - I don't think we disagree on cost in the US versus Japan. I think I'll go out to my backyard, dig some holes, bury some cables, and see how rich I get.:D
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RiceSan

join:2002-01-15
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Re: what else is new

I see you point, prices and the amount of service you get from such do very.

Sealink
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Cheaper

The DSL lines must be cheaper over there then compared to here because your typical Chinese individual does not make that much money.

RiceSan

join:2002-01-15
111

Re: Cheaper

if you compare the rates yes, but in japan we pay around $30.00 for 12MBPS speeds.

burgermeister
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Re: Cheaper

said by RiceSan See Profile:
if you compare the rates yes, but in japan we pay around $30.00 for 12MBPS speeds.
Yeah, it's pretty easy to distribute high speed access when you only have 2 meters of wire between customers!

Apples and oranges...
ConCashPro
Concash Customer

join:2000-10-23
Little Rock, AR

Re: Cheaper

excuses, excuses. Look at how much fiber is in the ground in the US, much more than any other country and then you'll see how sorry a state the US is in broadband deployment. And don't tell me its about the last mile bs, the largest most dense cities in the US STILL don't have fiber to the home. You'd think apartments would be the first places to be wired..

NOT IN THE GOOD OL' US OF A!

burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk

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Utica, MI

Re: Cheaper

What kind of a fool would pay to have fiber run to their home????? You can get plenty of data through copper.

Talk about BS, eh? Why in God's name do you feel you need fiber run to your home???? Who's going to pay for that??

Not in the good 'ole US of A because it makes NO BUSINESS SENSE! I happy with what I have and the bandwidth I get over the distance I am from the CO. Don't be TEARING UP MY FRONT YARD because you think you need fiber run to every house.

What a waste of money!
fullback

join:2002-01-24
japan

Re: Fiber

Hehe... fiber costs me the equivalent of about $45/mo. It's smaller than a telephone line and pulled through the same telco conduit.

So, tell me again why it costs more to run fiber than it does to run a copper wire? Except for the material cost (and there is a huge glut of fiber available), the labor cost is the same.

pnh102
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Re: Fiber

said by fullback See Profile:
the labor cost is the same.
Not really. Fiber has to be handled very delicately, you can't just pull it through any crack in your wall and expect it to work. Heck, you can't even touch the bare fiber strands without fubaring it. And as far as a so called "fiber glut" is concerned, sure there's plenty of fiber in the ground, but saying that this should make the costs of fiber lower implies that you can just pull this unused fiber out of the ground and reuse it someplace else. It doesn't work this way.

However, if you want fiber optic cable you can actually use, that is going to cost you. The fact that there is a ton of unused fiber out there already doesn't change the fact that right now, the stuff is still costly to buy.

And I have to agree with the original poster. It is technologically possible (though many providers don't do this yet) to pull 10 Mbps or so over coaxial (cable TV) and or phone lines using DSL. Heck, even Cat-5e ethernet cable can support 1Gbps. Unless you're running a NOC out of your house, how much bandwidth do you really need?

Lastly, the phone company can and will run fiber to your home if you like, just order enough phone lines and they will have to
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fullback

join:2002-01-24
japan

Re: Fiber

You may only be familiar with fiber used in the U.S. The crux of these articles is that the images Americans have that the rest of the world is technically incompetent is wrong. It also isn't brain surgery to insure that bend angles are are not too acute. It really is simple.

I didn't say anything about reusing in-ground fiber because that makes no sense at all. Fiber supply far exceeds demand and the price and installation 'difficulties' are artificial, simplistic, unsupported claims by U.S. providers. U.S. consumers are being fed a huge, heaping, steaming heap of horse manure - and buying it.

Raw fiber is cheap, ONU's are cheap and installation is being done every day by Chinese peasants with 30 minutes of training. I think a few people in the U.S. could handle this technically sophisticated procedure?

Blizzard0

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Beverly Hills, CA


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Re: Fiber

fiber is a very easy media to work with when done correctly we have been wiring buildings with fiber for a couple years for big development companies who need it on the back bones of thier buildings when you can go from floor to floor in a 30 story hi rise with transfers between 3 and 4 servers per floor and have really no delay in data movement it is an incredible time saver.

ask the big companies who do this why they need the bandwidth and they will give you the same reply to save time and money. have you ever moved a 1 gig db to 3 servers at one and not slowed down the network ??? they do routinely have you done network installs of windows 2000 on 500 machines over a night this saves time and money. and soon this will happen in the world of software. you order a floppy disk from best buy for use on your bad pc boot it and install from your network adapter isn't a beautiful thing this technology. and with these new mini disc style floppy disks that they are working on you will save space and time and install faster then from a cd .

isn't technology wonderfull

[text was edited by author 2002-12-13 01:14:41]

pnh102
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said by fullback See Profile:
Raw fiber is cheap, ONU's are cheap and installation is being done every day by Chinese peasants with 30 minutes of training. I think a few people in the U.S. could handle this technically sophisticated procedure?
I personally don't believe anything that comes out of the Chinese propaganda machine. This oppressive totalitarian regime, like any other, will say and do anything to make itself look good. China may indeed be doing the things they claim, but its very easy to buy things when you can print your own money.
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burgermeister
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Utica, MI

I never implied that the rest of the world is technically incompetent.

Raw fiber is cheap, but so is raw steel. The fact that the steel is cheap doesn't mean the finished products (cars, washers, etc) are cheap. The price of the raw material is not relevant when you consider the skilled labor required to run and terminate the fiber.

Of all the places I have worked in the past, the most fiber I've seen was phone closet to phone closet. Each piece of fiber was serving in the area of 100 network customers. From the closet to the desktop it's always been 10/100mbps copper. The speed has always been good.

So tell me why – as a home user -- that you'd need fiber run to your house? Please justify the expense.

Also, you said that Americans have images of the rest of the world which suggest incompetence; the *only* messages I ever see are of Americans and others implying that the US is incompetent with respect to broadband. That's just wrong. People are comparing apples and oranges. They see a few isolated examples of slick high-speed access and think everyone should have it run to their house with little or no consideration given to the cost or the obstacles.
Think about it, someone has 12mbps run to their house, where do they go??? If want to download, etc, you’re only going to get as much data as the source can send. Also, an
apartment building wired with fiber don’t count because they may have a T1 to the Internet for all you know.

I can't imagine any company running fiber to houses when:

1) They'll lose money on the investment (as has been stated with the long-haul fiber glut)

2) 99.9999999999999999% of homes would never have a use for it.

As for the government: I see no reason for the government to invest in fiber infrastructure to the home because I don't care to finance a home users cheap, ultra-fast connection so they can play multi-player games.

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RiceSan

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Fullbacks commets

Don`t pay any mind to "fullback" he lives protective area in Japan. He knows very little about how we real people living in Japan how life and cost work. he gets payed in US $ not yen... So he really does not know the value of a yen! But your comment are correct. atleast some people understand.
[text was edited by author 2002-12-13 01:50:03]
fullback

join:2002-01-24
japan

Re: Fullbacks commets

Why would you say that RiceSan? I've lived in Japan for over 10 years and my income has always been in yen. I'm not in the US military, with an embassy or working for a foreign company in Japan. I own a company here.

YahooBB 12Mbps is under 2,000 yen/mo.
NTT B-flets 100Mbps fiber costs 5,000 yen/mo.+ ISP(2,980 yen/mo.)
My total cost is 7,980 yen/mo.
I'll spend 8,000 yen tonight on dinner and drinks!
Akemashita omedeto gozaimasu...
DSL Oberst

join:2001-11-29

China.....

It's very easy to see how they are going to lead the world in broadband.

Chinese Broadband Deployment Leader: "You will deploy 500,000 lines in 3 weeks IMMEDIATELY! The People's Government demands it for the people."

Technician: "But sir, we can't install them that fast."

Chinese Broadband Deployment Leader: "Those who fail to perform as expected will be executed as enemies of the state!" *line of Chinese soldiers step forward, holding rifles menacingly*

Technician: "We OBEY, leader!"

It's amazing what type of work you can get out of people when you're a totalitarian state and can kill those who disagree with you.

91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power

join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT

Re: China.....

Coming soon to a neighborhood near us:

»www.2600.com/news/display/displa···?id=1441

Augustus III
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Re: China.....

said by 91439306 See Profile:
Coming soon to a neighborhood near us:

»www.2600.com/news/display/displa···?id=1441
you get what you vote for....

Kaltes
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Re: China.....

I believe that he was taken to the police station and I believe that his camera was confiscated, and I believe that someone questioned him about what he was doing.

I do not believe that the person questioning used the epithets reported.

He was brought in for questioning, and not arrested or charged with any crime, which explains why he was let out. Police have a right to be suspicious when a person photographs their security measures. The public at large does not have some right to engage in this activity, people can photograph public rooftops when the snipers are not present.

I think the basic story is accurate, but I also think that the individual involved 'spiced it up' becasue he was angry over what happened. The photographer also failed to discuss details about his OWN conduct that, if brought to light, could explain any harshness in how he was treated. The threat about the patriot act might have been made, but if it was it was more than likely made to scare mike, not as a credible threat.

He WAS allowed to contact a lawyer, I was blown away by the fact that he choose not to, the news story could have waited.

If you act defiant to police, do not expect them to respond with kindness and hospitality: they are humans too. There are many ways that police can LEGALLY make your life difficult.

I'm more concerned that it took so long for someone to approach him and that he was able to take so many photos before being confronted.

weebies$
What The Heck?

join:2002-10-26
Wayne, MI

What a sad day for America.

Here is a good link to a congressman who warned of such police state activity.
»www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul41.html
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EMTspud

join:2001-02-02
Portland, OR

It's BS

I searched all over the mainstream media outlets for information on this dude getting arrested.

couldn't find anything. It is a hoax.

--spud--:)

weebies$
What The Heck?

join:2002-10-26
Wayne, MI

Re: It's BS

I hope so for all of us. It is being covered by a lot of small media outlets - did a google search on it and there were a lot of hits. But I didn't see any large media that were following this story.
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91439306
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join:2002-10-16
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Premise: The police have the power to cover up their actions.

Evidence: Man claims to have been arrested and his camera confiscated.

Question: If only the film was evidence, why didn't they return his camera? Unless the police are in the forfeiture business for profit?

Hypothesis: The police may have arrested this guy, realized they could not make any charges stick, but decided that the arrest would be an embarrassment or a violation of law, and so decided to deny the arrest.

It happens all the time in other countries.
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JE
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PUNCTUATION

All of this shit is BS! Americans can't even use proper punctuation marks in their posts, so that makes it VERY hard for me to constantly understand WTF you droids are talking about!

I'll tell u one thing - Americans sure lack the basic English skills, while other countries are tops in our own skills.

JE
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk

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Utica, MI

Re: PUNCTUATION

said by JE See Profile:
All of this shit is BS! Americans can't even use proper punctuation marks in their posts, so that makes it VERY hard for me to constantly understand WTF you droids are talking about!

I'll tell u one thing - Americans sure lack the basic English skills, while other countries are tops in our own skills.

JE

U is not a word. You should have used a colon between 'thing' and 'Americans'.

JE
Can I Taste It? Mmmm
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OH REALLY?

I think U R wrong about the colon buddy! I don't think I posted about words, I think I posted about the TITLE!
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ancarte

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Milton, ON

Re: PUNCTUATION

You guys need to chill out, man. Getting a little petty, no?
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