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| Availability said by Article:
Years after the merger, and the company realizes that they own the world's largest media empire, and perhaps they should offer some of it to their broadband subscribers.
The problem is that AOLTW is not available everywhere so they can't offer all of their customers the use of their cable internet. In the areas that it is available in people already have it, its either called RR or AOL Plus Cable.
Also AOL does not own any phone lines whatsoever as they are not in the telephone service market so they can't provide DSL to everybody. Since they don't own the lines they don't have a lot of control over the DSL internet they provide.
I do agree that if AOL were to get rid of their software client and proxy they will gain a lot of customers.
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join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL
| OLD TECH..HIGH PRICE... AOL is old. There is nothing new to it anymore.I remember back in 1996 AOL was the way to go for most newbies to the "NET". AOL big draw was chat.But, now CHAT or IRC is every where and in many forms. AOL still uses plain text chat while other places like paltalk.com useing video and audio and text. I think AOL time has come to past. It is a sick dog then is dieing of a slow death. I don't think broadband is the problem for aol but, there lack of new growth. I say to AOL lead follow of get the Fuck out of the way. | |
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join:2000-12-29
Olmsted Falls, OH | Re: OLD TECH..HIGH PRICE... Last time I used AOL was in 1992, it used to be cool BBS without all that proprietary software crap, just ATD 899-2385 in your hyper-terminal and off you go... | |
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SanFrancisco
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join:2002-05-04
San Francisco, CA
| Re: Availability said by Eat Me  :
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In the areas that it is available in people already have it, its either called RR or AOL Plus Cable.
Not really. RoadRunner is plain old cable modem service from Time Warner Cable. AOL Cable is a separate service, but using the same cable modem, in which you have to sign on using the AOL client. They're the same company but different divisions. Even their pricing is different, and you can't get AOL with any package deals. You can only get RoadRunner with package deals.
Here in New York City we have a choice of either RoadRunner, AOL cable, Earthlink or New York Connect. It's similar in some other Time Warner cable markets.
That's what I meant, RR and AOL Plus are basically the same except with AOL Cable you have to use their software. The software is the only downfall with AOL Cable, if they didn't use the software it'd be a great service. As for pricing RR is 49.99 I think without any deals and AOL Cable is 44.95 or 54.95 depending on your choice of plans.
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join:2001-10-03
| 1,001 AOL Discs Try new AOL 13.0, featuring broadband! Just pop in the CD and instant broadband!
having broadband and AOL will allow you to attain the true 56k speeds you paid for!!
AOL does have a good broadband division: named RoadRunner. hate to see them screw it up. | |
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SanFrancisco
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San Francisco, CA
| Re: 1,001 AOL Discs said by c0mmander :
having broadband and AOL will allow you to attain the true 56k speeds you paid for!!
You have no clue what you're talking about. Have you ever used AOL broadband? Cause if you had you might realize AOL Plus is as good as your local phone company or cable company service, the only problem is their software which many people hate. The connection is awesome.
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Karl Bode
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| Re: 1,001 AOL Discs quote:
The connection is awesome.
I don't know if "awesome" would be wholly accurate. I've got Roadrunner, which is also routed over the ATDN network, and their network performance is downright pitiful much of the time.... | |
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SanFrancisco
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join:2002-05-04
San Francisco, CA
| Re: 1,001 AOL Discs said by Karl Bode :
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The connection is awesome.
I don't know if "awesome" would be wholly accurate. I've got Roadrunner, which is also routed over the ATDN network, and their network performance is downright pitiful much of the time....
I was talking about my experience with their DSL. RR isn't available in my area.
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| Re: 1,001 AOL Discs Forgot...yes...you're in Verizon-land...
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join:2002-12-23
Arlington, VA
| (response to sanfransisco.)
i dont know if you were tricked into beleiving you had aol plus and didnt but when i had aol plus (bout 2 years ago) the service was terrible, 400-300 down 60 or so up, pings worse than the average 56k, (NO server under 300-400ms).
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SanFrancisco
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San Francisco, CA
| Re: 1,001 AOL Discs said by unliterate :
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i dont know if you were tricked into beleiving you had aol plus and didnt
I had AOL Plus through Verizon which was my phone company.
Verizon tried to play tricks with me like cutting off my DSL and making me wait longer to get so I would get DSL straight through them but I wasn't falling for it.
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join:2002-12-16
Lynnfield, MA
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SanFrancisco
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San Francisco, CA | Re: AOL ROCKIN THE NET I'd recommend turning of Caps Lock. | |
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Buffalo, NY | Re: AOL ROCKIN THE NET Typical AOL user  | |
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Somewhere | Re: AOL ROCKIN THE NET LOL! yep! Typical AOLer alright! | |
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@mindspring.com | IF I TURN OFF CAPS LOCK THEN THAT LIGHT BESIDES THE LOCK SYMBOL WON'T LIGHT UP. HAS ANYONE SEEN THE "ANY" KEY? I SEEM TO HAVE LOST MINE. | |
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newview
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| They've made this same mistake before quote:
AOL Broadband President Lisa A. Hook called broadband a "side issue" . . .
Back in the late '80s to early '90s, AOL only provided 2400 baud service on local dialups in my area. You could only get faster speeds if you dialed a long distance number. As a new 14,400 baud modem user, I emailed and called them to ask when they planned to provide local 14,400 baud service in my area. Their reply at that time was, essentially, "We have no plans to add that capability anytime soon". I dropped them like a hot rock and never looked back.
Looks like their "forward thinking" braintrust is still with us . . .
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: They've made this same mistake before This is the exact same mistake MS did when they thought the internet wasn't going to be a big thing. They thought the future was AOL and MSN type services. They were lucky to have the capital to buy everything ready made and compete and to force some broadband providers to let them into the DSL market. Heck, they even bought WebTV to try and compete.
AOL and all these other services have a place for the internet newbie. Yet, they are more a content provider than a real ISP. They might have to start thinking in a new direction. | |
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join:2001-05-05
Del Mar, CA
| It's Not Only The Speed, AOL! I did dial up for a while - and finally got to DSL. I have great speeds - but that is beside the point. At a non-profit I help, they only have ISDL at 144 and they also have they have something that dial-ups don't have - always connected! I think that where the future is going and AOL should know that. Someday the day of dial-ups will be gone! I don't care of you use it 10 minutes a day, isn't it a pain when you want to look up something through the web, you have to wait for ring-ring-ring-schreeeeech? What about the day when we talk to all our computers - everything will be instant access. What I think what will happen to AOL? Their dial-up will slowly keep shrinking and they will become another Broadband provider. If they're smart, they will promote this heavily - they currently have the customer base.
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| Not the same as other broadband With cable, they might be the same as RoadRunner. With DSL, they're a failure.
Refer to this short and sweet thread on what AOL did to the DSL service Verizon provided for them. They mangled it, it sucked. AOL should go out of business.
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Go Chargers7
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| Re: Narrowband will be around forever? Yeah right! We just got done with a previous article talking about how people won't make the switch to BB and even after all the hype only 13% of people who can get BB do so. Narrowband isn't going anywhere.
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Plainview, TX | Re: Narrowband will be around forever? Yeah right! Yeah, and 200 year's from now we will still be riding in cars powered by combustion engines :rolleyes: | |
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| Re: Narrowband will be around forever? Yeah right! said by Einhander3 :
Yeah, and 200 year's from now we will still be riding in cars powered by combustion engines :rolleyes:
People still ride horses. The IC engine isn't going anywhere. The fuel may change but the principle won't.
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join:2002-05-22
Birmingham, AL
| Restrictive dialup, High AOL BBand cost deterrents When I was shopping for broadband, I looked at AOL. The rep I talked to said I would have to pay both a Broadband fee that was in itself higher than available DSL as well as continue to pay my AOL membership. I think that many AOL dialup users would remain happy if AOL could offer some relief in the area of letting more than one screenname sign on at a time. AIM and "AOL anywhere" help, but they're not enough. Lots of people I know have gone broadband so that more than one user can be on at a time. I don't know if AOL broadband will do that, as I never got past the pricing discussion, but I may have delayed my switch to DSL if internet connection sharing had been allowed under AOL dial-up. The proprietary aspects of AOL E-mail also are causing some to look elsewhere, as they like to have all of their E-mail go through one client. | |
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join:2002-11-23
Raleigh, NC
| Re: Restrictive dialup, High AOL BBand cost deterrents AOL Broadband 8.0 does allow more than one screen name to sign on at one time.
I don't use AOL broadband, however I do quality control inspections on the installations in my area.
There's no difference in connection quality, whether it's AOl Broadband, RR, Earthlink cable, Max.inter.net, etc.
The only difference is the software used to access the connection. | |
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join:2002-08-20
Schaumburg, IL
| Re: Restrictive dialup, High AOL BBand cost deterr I have a question regarding AOL 8.0 and DSL connections...
Can we install AOL 8.0 with AOL's DSL service yet also use the Netscape 7.01 (owned by AOL i believe) Browser?
I like the Netscape browser I am currently using with MY SBC DSL connection.
Please help with a response.... | |
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| A "side issue"? A side issue to what, getting fired? Even stupid people smarten up after a while and then get a faster connection. This isn't rocket science, honey, its business with the ability to maximize profit and ROI. I suppose Ms. Hook thinks all the other national ISP's are just wasting their time on side issues, hehe. | |
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BrooklynZoo
For Everthing Else, There's Mastercard
join:2001-04-01
Atlanta, GA
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SoulStorm
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join:2003-01-27
Lincoln, NE | Merger Advantage I think RR is much better than AOL cable. In the end it's don't matter though. Whether people use RR or AOL cable, it's all goes to the same company no? | |
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| AOL's BEGINNING OF THE END AOL will go downhill from now on. It already has. It'll be slow at first but at the end it'll look like the Juno-Netzero outfit. May even be acquired by them.
Unless dramatic changes occur and AOL goes full ahead with a conversion to Broadband it'll bleed TW to oblivion.
Can't keep on loosing 100 billion dollars at a time and remain a viable entity.
AOL already has the customers with the phone lines.
A major push to get a lot more of these customers to DSL at a reasonable cost should have happened a LONG time ago.
Efficiencies of scale should have been taken advantage of also some time ago.
AOL's management should have focused on acquiring DSL providers, like COVAD and others and on creating strategic alliances with the regional phone companies.
Instead they focused on the technology of the past and on cooking the books and they blew it.
It's not too late though, but it will require some pretty aggressive and savvy management footwork.
That management, unfortunately, doesn't appear to be within TW. | |
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Brandon, FL
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| AOL Broadband will never succeed! The don't own the lines for DSL. AOL doesn't own any phone lines. To get their service on the DSL's they have to pay something to someone. There at the mercy of other companies. I agree with one post earlier, if they were really wanting to get into broadband, they should've purchased a baby bell somewhere instead of TimeWarner. Granted they bought some cable outlets, but they bought a cable company with a better/cheaper product. Why would someone switch from RR to AOHell?
No reason, RR is cheaper and a better product.
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join:2000-09-12
| Re: AOL Broadband will never succeed! They don't don't own any of their POP's either. And that never hurt their dial-up business. AOL's path to riches was an easy, simple way to setup an inet connection, that and chat. Then efficiency of scale kicked in, and the more customers they got the better the price they could get from their wholesalers. Owning the lines isn't their problem. It's poor management. Their business model just doesn't work in a broadband world. Why do you need an easy way to setup your inet or to dialup when you do it once and you're always online? | |
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join:2002-04-15
Glenview, IL | The dont own the lines ? get a life the own roadrunner anyway! Don't drink 'n post. | |
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Neophyte101
All Your E-Mail Are Belong To Us
join:2002-01-02
Deep River, CT
| How much would AOL Broadband Cost? With AOL ripping most people off for dial-up service ($23.95 is what they claim to charge, though I've heard from people who say they get billed closer to $30 a month for dial-up service!), how much would AOL charge for 1.5 Mbps DSL or Cable? Probably around $60 - $70 would be my guess. AOL overcharges, outsources their "technical support" to India and provides nothing new in terms of content or technology. They're a dinosaur and I'm willing to bet they'll be "signing off" for good in the future. | |
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San Francisco, CA
| Re: How much would AOL Broadband Cost? said by Neophyte101 :
With AOL ripping most people off for dial-up service ($23.95 is what they claim to charge, though I've heard from people who say they get billed closer to $30 a month for dial-up service!), how much would AOL charge for 1.5 Mbps DSL or Cable? Probably around $60 - $70 would be my guess. AOL overcharges, outsources their "technical support" to India and provides nothing new in terms of content or technology. They're a dinosaur and I'm willing to bet they'll be "signing off" for good in the future.
They charge anywhere from $38 to $60 TOTAL depending on the plan and the state you live in.
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Just another reason why they suck. LOL broadband a side issue? What a knucklehead that Lisa Hook is, they need to dump her. Sure there will always be a need for some kind of dialup but lady you need to step into the 21st century.
Still it don"t matter what kind of pipes they offer, they still suck. I am thankful for having alternatives in my area. IMO any ISP that for the most part makes it mandatory to use their hacked versions of whatever is a bullshit ISP to begin with and should go out of business.
I am also thankful this merger has not hosed up Roadrunner, at least in my area it hasn't. Give it time though. I am sure such mideval thinking of the likes like Hook will eventually creep into the rest of Time Warner. No doubt Hook will confuse the video feeds with dialup and try to crank CNN through her lovely little dialup.
But if its the only game in your area I sympathize with you. | |
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@ncdsb.com | Why dialup will stay 3 reasons,
1. Dial-up is easier to get than Broadband
2. Availability
3. Broadband costs twice as much and there are a lot of users who don't need the speed.
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join:2001-07-10
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| Re: Why dialup will stay Dial-up WILL stay but AOL can't depend on it forever or they will just keep losing more and more subscribers and the only people that will stay is that naive Lisa Hook.
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| I think its great I use AOL Broadband, and I love it. I couldn't be happier.
I use the client and the browser (mozilla, not that ms crap) separately, and I'm also an online gamer. It probably depends from area to area, but my server pings are very good and I have no complaints. | |
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