 | | bye verizon I have vonage for more than a month and I love it, its better, its cheaper, unlimited calls, excellent international rates, etc. bye bye verizon. | |
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| Re: bye verizon Yep, me too. Let's not forget you get to choose your area code...and you get unlimited calling within the code, even on their cheapest plans...no stupid ZUM charges. Bye Verizon.
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| Re: buh bye SBC I saw a commercial for Vonage here in Houston. You may want to check for availability.
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Just checked and the 832 area code is available in the Houston and surrounding areas. You can call 832, 713, 281, and 936 unlimited for 25.99 per month. That includes 500 Long Distance minutes.
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| Re: buh bye SBC i just went to there site and they do not have 911 service its not a big deal with me but the wife maybe. i will have to work this one b4 i move in june... Man i would love to get rid of SBC all together.. F Them and the Fcc as well
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: buh bye SBC They don't currently offer E911 but Vonage has a history of filling in their shortcomings. They just started supporting faxes and some other stuff. It's only a matter of time. In the interim, I have my local Sheriff and Fire dept. on speed-dial.
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| | | | | | | Re: buh bye SBC Fa Shizzle, I am sure that speed dial will help you a lot when your electricity will go out.
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| Re: buh bye SBC Well, if my electricity went out the phones won't work anyway. All of my phones require 110v. Besides, both my ATA, wireless phone base, both modems (one's a WISP with it's transmitter far outside my grid) and their primary router are on an APC 1400VA UPS and 50 watts, it will run for over 5 hours. So yeah, if the moon was full, the tides high, planets aligned, we're in 3 feet of water during a tornado...I'd have to break out the cellular phone. The rest of the time...I'm saving money and getting superior service with VoIP.
Screw the RBOCs and their antitrust behavior.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: buh bye SBC With a land based phone line..phones dont require a power cord to work. If you already have a phone and it is does not require plugging(answering machine/caller id) in then it will work(thats why you can put battieries in some phones). Land based lines already offer voltage in the line. Companies like qwest and sbc send voltage through the lines when a number is contacted thats how the phone rings. Just like cable telephony. They require 110 volts outa thier taps inorder for the phones to work. Thats why phones that dont have power cords still have lights that light up on the phone. So in short..if your power goes out with verizon or sbc..you can still us eit..if it goes out with comcast cable & cox cable telephone services over their system you will still have phone. If you lose powere with vontage you have no phone. | |
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| Re: buh bye SBC Did you just skip reading the thread? Perhaps you should read the entire thread before commenting or at least bother reading the post you're replying to »Re: buh bye SBC . Cordless phones and a majority of high feature lucent phones (like my 854's at my office) require 110v service. How do you expect to run a cordless phone without a base station? Sure...if I ran K-Mart phones they would work if Verizon bothered to fix all the other issues I had. Most people aren't going to keep a POS cheapy phone in a drawer in case of an emergency. Most likely they'll have an answering machine phone and a cordless. If you how is on fire...and you precious 110v phone is on the other side of the house...you're going to risk getting it? Of course not...you're going to follow the instructions of the fire dept., GTFO and call from next door. For other emergencies...you're talking about a lot of things happening at once...that just don't happen. For burglary, there is damn little between the perp and your NID, one snip and all of your phones are dead...meanwhile my VoIP service is safely underground via coax or wireless from a WISP antenna on the roof. After your phones are dead...sure, a burglar alarm could work...but that same burglar alarm is available with cellular backup which I had anyway. 911...speed dial then tell them your address just as you would with cellular. So now what emergencies are we reduced to...what far fetched situations are required to justify the existence of POTS? Bad BB provider...that's about it. With a little thought...just a little...all of these far fetched RBOC shill proposed situations can be taken care of.
Again...if you had bothered reading the post you're replying to...as I explained...I have no issues with a power outage should it occur. I make allowances for it just like it did for my unreliable POTS service. Of course in the 5 years I've lived at my current residence, we've never had a power failure...yet Verizon had problems regularly to make up for it.
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| | | | | | | | I dont believe that at all!
I see this technology has a future. and also can now get cable regulated which is what I want. The only downfall is that this vonage may cost more then bells crap if the FCC gets their way and regulates this. | |
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| Re: buh bye SBC said by Mr_Hanky00:
I dont believe that at all!
I see this technology has a future. and also can now get cable regulated which is what I want. The only downfall is that this vonage may cost more then bells crap if the FCC gets their way and regulates this.
Forget it, look at his IP, he's a BellAtlantic shill. RBOCs suck.
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I dont believe that at all!
I see this technology has a future. and also can now get cable regulated which is what I want. The only downfall is that this vonage may cost more then bells crap if the FCC gets their way and regulates this.
That is why the Bells are requiring their local POTS line to be live in order for you to get DSL over their copper. They see the VOIP handwriting in the wall. They will also charge super high rates ($90 and above) just to have the POTS line there to make up for the loss of money going over the VOIP. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: buh bye SBC What are you smoking? $90.00 for pots? are you a fricken idiot, make up for losses? | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: buh bye SBC He's just saying what the typical telco reaction will be...ripping of the customer. That's what the RBOCs are best at.
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Bell network is a national asset and should be preserved in some form.
Sure, under glass in a museum with other dinosaurs. These morons are digging their own graves. Let's watch the cable companies take advantage of all this bickering... | |
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Fa Shizzle, I am sure that speed dial will help you a lot when your electricity will go out.
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That is something to ponder. However how many of us have a cell phone laying around? VoIP cant begin to hold a candle to PSTN redundancy and reliability, but it will get there if given the chance. The reason VoIP is doing so well and will continue is partly because of its signaling. The Bell network using system seven can only do so much. | |
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| Re: buh bye SBC Each person needs to personally evaluate their situation. Personally I have large power backups (minimally 1400VA at any 1 time), redundant broadband providers (all for other purposes, not for supporting VoIP come hell or high-water) as well as cell service so I have great confidence in maintaining my VoIP service. Someone who only has a single provider with a history of outages and high latency, no battery backup for their modem and ATA and no cell service needs to evaluate their situation to assess the risk (if any) of running only VoIP.
But this is all common sense. It's not an issue of whether or not VoIP is reliable as some RBOC shills claim it's not. It's as reliable as the BB provider you use and for the other issues as reliable as you make it
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| | | | | | | | >>>Bell network is a national asset and should be preserved in some form.
What Bell Network? The Bell System is dead, thanks to some now dead judge. TO think the Bll Network is still anything is stupid. No one think of the phone companies as the Bell Companies or the Bell System anymore. BTW im 18, and would loved it IF THE BELL SYSTEM WERE NOT BROKEN UP....
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| | | | | | | | | Re: buh bye SBC "DOOOOh' Now that some cable comapanies are capping I have to give this more thought. I got to have my porn and my phone sex! | |
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..WHO hates SBC every1 raise there hand
*Hand Raised* Me! Me! DAMN how I hate SBC | |
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| | | Re: bye verizon Check out this cnet article on one way the RBOC's are trying to fight VOIP:
Will the Bells crush Net calling?
»news.com.com/2010-1069-985856.html
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| Re: bye verizon The nation's Bell companies are quietly lobbying the nation's top regulators at the Federal Communications Commission. Their goal is to slap new charges on Internet-based calls in order to protect their own system. If the FCC goes along, it will effectively crush the growing entrepreneurial drive by numerous Internet providers to provide consumers with this service.
The Bells' assault on Internet phone calls (technically known as voice over IP, or VOIP) sets a dangerous precedent for the Internet. The Bells' goal is to establish what would amount to a massive Internet tax by hitting Internet telephony providers with huge access charges for connecting to the local Bell networks
YOU KNOW THEY WILL TAX THE HELL OUT OF IT! AND PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THE CABLE COMPANIES OPEN UP THEIR NETWORKS TO OTHER PROVIDERS......... I CAN BUY SOME SATELITES AND RESELL THE PROGRAMS ON THEIR CABLE SYSTEM.....THIS IS STARTING TO POINT IN MY FAVOR NOW............
I THINK THIS VONAGE IS A GREAT IDEA FOR A SECOND LINE....I HAVE JUST HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH MY CABLE GOING OUT THAT THIS WOULD NOT WORK AS A PRIMARY THING
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: bye verizon Of course...another reason to hate the RBOCs and all ILECs. They don't want any competition...their primary goal is to screw over customers and gain TOTAL control over content.
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| | | Re: That'll teach em Your right! but I am sure The FCC is looking at this and the money that is being lossed because of it. Hell if this vonage thing goes well who is going to pay for the communications for the folks in the boonies? I know they dont have broadband there yet and if the telco's get screwed they just will not service them because of the loss of money. they will just go bankrupt.....no no no.... I see somthing esle coming out of the FCC sooooooon that may be my dream. regulation of cable............... | |
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| | | Re: Those of us with DSL are screwed well if voip gets its way, i'm sure soon, you will not need to have service from the bell to get dsl..o that ryhmed, lol | |
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| Re: Those of us with DSL are screwed said by Phoenix2088:
well if voip gets its way, i'm sure soon, you will not need to have service from the bell to get dsl..
True in theory. But if you did get non-Bell DSL service, you'll run into those "line problems" that can't seemed to get solved until you switch to the Bell DSL service.
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| | | | | Re: Those of us with DSL are screwed yes they could force you, but there will be laws, as broadband is more widespread then ever, rules will be set it, and most in benefit for the customer | |
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| | | | | | Re: Those of us with DSL are screwed Maybe I am slightly more jaded than you, but laws require influence with Congress and rules require influence with the appropriate Executive entity (i.e. the FCC). Who has more influence: the combined might of Verizon, SBC, BellSouth, and Qwest or Vonage? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Those of us with DSL are screwed I see your point!
what could happen is people will have a choice between vonage and Bells but vonage customers will pay a surcharge to be fed back to the government or to the bells so the pricing will equal out! I think vonage will start having to pay some extra charges if they want to continue. I see on this....they call it another napster and we know what happened to them.
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Huntington Beach, CA | Just waiting for the ILEC shills It's only a matter of time before the ILEC shills show up and try to explain why VoIP sucks, even though it's reliable and cheaper.
Not a month goes buy that I don't appreciate my VoIP service and the fact that it gave me the ability to ditch my telco. I mean please...telco's charging monthly per line fees to keep your name from being whored out in their phone directory...please. Screw them.
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| | Anyone who didn't see this coming.... IT'S ON......now all we have to do is wait for the Telcom players to cry foul and look to congress for protection... | |
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| | | Re: Anyone who didn't see this coming.... Your right! maybe this is what they were looking for "ace in the hole. Vonage may have induced the FCC to overule the 1996 line sharing thing...... the FCC will be lobbied now by all the RBOC's even harder.......I see some form of regulation on the cable or total deregulation of the Bells.....This could get ugly | |
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| | | | Re: Anyone who didn't see this coming.... So if you can't get DSL or Cable, how much will your telephone line for dial-up cost? | |
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| | | | | Re: Anyone who didn't see this coming.... said by 2farfromCO7:
So if you can't get DSL or Cable, how much will your telephone line for dial-up cost?
$90 a month just to have the line is the figures I have been seeing. | |
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| | One downside I see... No 911 service at this time. I have two children and that does concern me a bit. I guess I could program the police, fire, doctors, poison control, etc on speed dial.
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| | | Re: I see two hurdles...... said by moonpuppy:
The second....VOIP...the next reason some cable providers want bandwidth caps.
There is good point, what about people that have daily/monthly size caps on their connections (cough*NTL*cough)? How much bandwidth would a standard call with the normal setting use? Maybe these ISPs and Vonage would set up some kind of agreement, or they could dump the caps. 
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| | ILEC can easily offer this Cheaper
This isn’t rocket science to offer this to a dsl customer. And I mean great service. It might cost them $20,000,000.00 to do the whole state of Texas for that great CISCO equipment you need for best service. I swear Cisco rules in VOIP and Nortel Lucent and the others smell up the room. Your ISP router is about $20-25,000.00 each.
To really rule they also have a cheap opportunity to buy ITXC Corp the folks that really carry all this VOIP internationally and also those international phone cards. Stock is currently $1.57 a share »biz.yahoo.com/p/i/itxc.html folks may have never heard of this company but it’s usually someone a vonage is paying for service. »www.itxc.com/
Most international is already piped VOIP (ITXC) anyway. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see this offered in the near future.
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The secondary market would be their mostly happy DSL customers with the $49.95 higher ADSL speeds and up.
VOIP works better with more available bandwidth I never have seen it work correctly on Broadband Light. It still sounds like dial-pad ( Whoo Hoo) or dialup Net 2 phone on broadband Light because it almost is!:) | |
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| | | | | Re: ILEC can easily offer this Cheaper Yea, I am on DSL and it figures SBC is working on some Scheme of their own....Did you hear that Cox cable is limiting people to 30 gig a month and no more then 2gig a day. I thank god that vz got me my connection. Do you think the bells will messed with are download data? | |
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| | Just Ordered Vonage I live in Illinois, however I work, play, and am friends with people in St. Louis. They don't like calling me at home beacuse of long distance. I just got a St. Louis line from Vonage. I am thrilled that I now have a number that is local to all my friends and work, along with a bunch of relatives. My mother lives in Manhattan, so I plan to add a virtual Manhattan number so so can call me with a number that is local to her. If all goes well I will say buh-bye to SBC as a local carier, It does no good for me. I am thrilled, can't wait for my order to arive. Last thing I thought of... I have the Charter 256/1.5-3 M plan, that is enough beef for it correct?
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| | | Re: Just Ordered Vonage It should be pretty fast, the cisco machine arrived in 2 days tops. We have had Vonage as our only phone line for a few months now, and it's working wonderfully. Quality of the line very good, costs down dramatically, lots of features we didn't even before for free (ID, call forwarding which is absolutely great). We do a lot of international calls, and save there big time.
As for the 911 issue, which I have seen mentioned in other threads, we have cellular phones that work well in the house, have thought the kids to use them. Also, we emailed our local
Police Dept. and they gave us a pre-911 emergency number they still monitor.
Overall, Vonage has been a great experience, incredibly smooth for an Internet based operation.
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West Milton, OH | What are some other national VOIP companies? I've heard of Avaya and Vonage. Are there any others?
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VONAGE(LAB RAT), Love it while it lasts.
The ILEC's can easily destroy Vonage as a "Telephone Service". Vonage require's a set minimum U/L (upload) and D/L (download) information rate. If that rate is interrupted, delayed or changed (Throttled) your frustration with the poor quality will send you running back to a POTS line carrier. VOIP is a technology that will most likely revolutionize the telephone industry. Dont think for one second that the big boys will not capitalize on VOIP's merits. Vonage is a user of the technology not a carrier that controls it.
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It takes company like this to kick the RBOCS in shape. Vonage is the first out of the gate with this service.
If they're able to survive a few more years and gain a solid foothold, RBOCS are forced to compete and the bad i wrote of before will be the opposite and carriers will be required to the set minimums required for VOIP as a standard component of Internet Service. Competition is good for us all. | |
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