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kudos:5 | RIAA harks back to vigilante days While the RIAA may be both legally and morally correct concerning their position on copying and sharing music, their vigilante tactics are reprehensible. Their tactics are reminiscent of some old west movie where the townspeople string up the bad guy while the town sheriff stands by and watches.
Here is hoping that the US court system finally steps in and chases the vigilantes back to their homes and lets the legal system deal with the crooks.
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Here is hoping that the US court system finally steps in and chases the vigilantes back to their homes and lets the legal system deal with the crooks.
That's what the recording industry is afraid of. Pirated music is such a low priority to law enforcement, the government has to use it's resources for the large volume of higher priority, major crimes being committed. That is, except when the legal system is pressured by congressman and senators that are payed off by the RIAA.
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|  ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
join:2002-09-23 | said by Linklist:
While the RIAA may be both legally and morally correct...
They are NOT morally correct.
Legally? To be decided.
The Register consistently gets it right regarding the IRA -- I mean the RIAA.
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| vic102482Premium
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While the RIAA may be both legally and morally correct concerning their position on copying and sharing music, their vigilante tactics are reprehensible.
Legally of course,
Morally?
I dont think its right to send college kids to jail for downloading their fav. album.
This isnt China.
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kudos:5 | Re: RIAA harks back to vigilante days said by vic102482:
I dont think its right to send college kids to jail for downloading their fav. album.
This isnt China.
No, you are right, jail is an overreaction. But they are stealing and they know it is stealing. Maybe a lesser punishment, like confiscation of their PC and a probationary period where internet access is prohibited.
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| | | | | Re: RIAA harks back to vigilante days Copyright infringement at best. NOT stealing. I wish the pro-RIAA people would get it straight.
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| | | | ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
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Copyright infringement at best. NOT stealing. I wish the pro-RIAA people would get it straight.
Exactly. Stealing would be going into Tower Records and shoplifting the artist's CD.
Stealing would be pirating the physical CD and selling the resultant counterfeit for profit.
Filesharing is NOT stealing. No more than taping a song off the radio is stealing. It's not in either case because you haven't STOLEN any*thing*.
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"You, more than me or anyone else, know your customers. You know their language, their characteristics, their likes and dislikes, what moves them and what doesn't, what sells and what doesn't. Use that knowledge, and the creative marketing talent I know you all possess, to help combat this problem." -Hilary Rosen
I would like to take this opportunity to tell everyone why I haven't been in a Tower Records store in 3 years, and will never enter one again.
They used to have a price tag with a non-adhesive yellow flap which showed a "discounted" price on every single CD in the place. One day-after-thanksgiving, I walked into my local Tower to use up a gift certificate. Lo and behold, all the yellow tags had been removed, all over the store! Every single disc was full retail! So I told myself that was it, because of this scummy move by misguided management.
Apparently they weren't in tune to what moves me, in this case a ripoff price, which moved me right out the door. Thanks Tower, I like CD World much better now anyway.
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Lake Arrowhead, CA | Not a Buyer Me neither. I would like to pick up some cds of music that I've discovered online but I don't want to support an organization that thinks they are the judge, jury and executioner.
If they would just offer a way to get just the tracks of a cd that you like, and pay a small reasonable charge per track, then download them and do with them as you like (burning cds, transfering to mp3 players, etc - unlimited) then I would actually buy music, and prefer to do so online and download it, as long as it is reasonable quality. I'll make my own cds out of the music I get. I've been doing that with tapes for years, cds are no different.
I see no reason to pay inflated prices for one song I like and 12 songs I don't. I'm more likely to rip that song off the cd and add it to my collection and then toss the cd. That's a waste of my money when all I want is a song or two. Until they fix that I'm avoiding buying music. | |
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|  rrw1313Premium
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| Re: Not a Buyer said by DHRacer:
I see no reason to pay inflated prices for one song I like and 12 songs I don't. I'm more likely to rip that song off the cd and add it to my collection and then toss the cd. That's a waste of my money when all I want is a song or two. Until they fix that I'm avoiding buying music.
That will never happen put 1 good song on a CD and release 5 CDs that way and sell them for $20 each thats $100.
Sell the 5 good songs at even the high price of $2 to download the wave file and thats $10.
The RIAA is greedy need I say more.
You'll also never see the option of listening to songs first because then you get to hear all of the crap on the CD and find out it ain't worth $5 nevermind $20.
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| | | | Re: Not a Buyer buy imported CDs then, they're more expensive because of the fact they are imported anyhow. There is alot of good music out there if you want to keep the RIAA off your backs. | |
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| | I would ... Create a bunch of 3-5 MB audio files and name them after popular audio tracks, and then climb out of the P2P trenches. When RIAA comes asking for your name then counter with a defamation of character suit.
Of course, I suggested this exact tactic about a year ago, and someone has already conducted this kind of activity, but why are there no consumer-protection groups monitoring the files RIAA is downloading?
After all, its not the playing of the downloaded file, but the act of downloading they are highlighting. This makes them the biggest hypocrites in the entertainment business. | |
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| | Some advice to Verizon users.... If you have a habit of downloading 600 songs a day or used to d/l 600 songs a day, if I was you I would start removing all pirated software and removing all incremenating evidence right now and say you had sub 7 or some other type of trojan that had port fowarding (or maybe say that you were running a gateway for when you were at work or school so that you could bypass the firewall and axs irc or what have you) then tell them that you thought the gateway was ip axs only, but turned out to be open to the net  then say that you re-installed windows a few times since then (This will make the RIAA and FBI's job a lot harder since you wont have 1 mp3 or warez on your property, and since they have a record of you using all this bandwidth but no media they will really have to work hard to prove you deleted everything (hopefully getting them to give up and focus on something usefull like "terrorism") .....
So when the FBI comes a knocking at your door there is no reason for you to have 100's of GB of mp3's and warez in your home. 
If you stick to that excuse I gave you (tweak it up a little) you can't get in trouble (hopefully). (thank god you can't get charged for being a retard that uses a pc).
Better safe than sorry....
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| | | Re: Some advice to Verizon users.... Has anyone actually deliberately loaded a virus or trojan? Can one find them? This is an interesting question. | |
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|  GlaiceStill around herePremium
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| | | One could always just get a router with a firewall and zonealarm. Of course you have to know how to use it first All my ports are stealthed thank you very much RIAA, come and get me! | |
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| Just a little friendly advice. Remember that it's illegal to destroy evidence in any law enforcement investigation. Likewise, it's illegal to lie to any law enforcement officer. Both of these are called obstruction of justice, and you can do time for that. Even if they can't get you on copyright infringement...
BTW, IANAL and all that.
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| | | | Re: Some advice to Verizon users.... Would that be considered obstruction???? I thought that was in place for people who destroy evidence to crimes such as murder,assult, frauds ect... (stuff they know 100% that happened). I think that this would be a little diffrent in this case. | |
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| Re: Folks I think thats exactly it. If you cant download what you want then whats the point in having broadband?? The affect of them winning the case would be disasterous to many ISPs. | |
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| | | | | Re: Folks Our firm's president received a RIAA complaint letter about someone on our network using a P2P program to dowload/upload 1800+ files. Half were music, half were graphics. No dates/no times. Looks alot like a fishing expedition to scare people, although we do not allow p2p. Just seeing the RIAA letters shows how desparate the RIAA is to scare companies anyway they can. The lawyers say find the pc (out of 5000, dhcp nat addressing), explain what we happened and what we are doing to stop it in the future. (and tell the RIAA to eat crap and die) We won't have any problems since they have no timestamps or anything. How many other companies have received the same identical 1800+ page listing? | |
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| One reason RIAA has not gone after AOL/TW (owner of RoadRunner and others) is that Time-Warner itself controls a massive catalog of copyrighted material. If one division (RoadRunner) is a conduit of copyright infringement from another division (Warner Bros. Records, and others), it creates a very confusing legal argument. RIAA is going for a clear-cut case, and is picking on a telco at least partly to avoid the above situation.
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| |  KoolMoeAw ManPremium
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Annapolis, MD | Ya, good question. I mean, what's the point of speed limits? My car can do 150 easy! And it's stupid that I can't have farm animals living on my property - geeez! It's MY house, why can't I have pigs and cows in my backyard?
And it really annoys me that I can't setup a firing range in my front yard. I have all these killer scopes and laser sights for my Remington, but I can't use it on my property?
When will these laws end!
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|  KonaguyLive From Kailua-Kona, HawaiiPremium
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I used to use P2P, but I realized what I was I doing
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| | FBI makes me laugh, so does the RIAA Lawyers are the only ones that can stop both of those corporate run systems.
IF an FBI agent ever knocked on my door, I wouldn't open it, I'd just call my lawyers and have them come down and kick his ass(old school style) *lol*
The FBI is so damn useless right now, all they do is hunt down suspected terror suspects and blah-di-blah-di derpity-do. Half the time they get it wrong and start profiling innocent Middle Eastern descended Amercians.
Here's how you get rid of every shred of evidence on your hard drive....Drill 8 holes in a circle pattern through your hard drive platters and then crack it with a hammer. There's no damn way they're recovering stuff after that.
Before that, I would reccomend government strength data wipe. I seriously doubt they'd get through my encryptions anyways. | |
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| ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
join:2002-09-23 | Re: FBI makes me laugh, so does the RIAA said by WolfJaguar:
IF an FBI agent ever knocked on my door, I wouldn't open it
And they'll say "excuse us then" and leave? Under the Patriot Act they'll break your door down faster than you can say *lol*.
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I seriously doubt they'd get through my encryptions anyways.
Do you like jail? A judge can issue a court order and keep you there until you give up the password.
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| Re: FBI makes me laugh, so does the RIAA Perhaps, or perhaps not, it takes time to knock down the three or four solid oak wood doors to my computer area, and by then all my hard drives would have been drilled, cracked, and whatever else I can think up to destroy them.
The Patriot Act, still doesn't mean they can knock down anybody's door(just yet). They still have to get a local judge or federal judge to issue a search or arrest warrant.
Granted, it is easier for them to do so anyhow. The Patriot Act is just another Big Brother way to get into our lives. But there's always ways to get around it, especially with high priced lawyers.
Plus, the password is unbreakable unless the FBI likes to spend 50000 years cracking it. I also have several passwords, each does a different thing. One is the good one and lets you touch stuff, all the others destroy information and the like. Always pays to be prepared.
Whoops, the FBI just fried my harddrive. Doesn't that suck?
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: FBI makes me laugh, so does the RIAA said by WolfJaguar:
Perhaps, or perhaps not, it takes time to knock down the three or four solid oak wood doors to my computer area, and by then all my hard drives would have been drilled, cracked, and whatever else I can think up to destroy them.
They arrest you at work, take you out in front of your coworkers, to jail. Then they will proceed to your house, where they will have all the time in the world to loot/pillage smash everything and get ALL the evidence on your computers. Or are you planning to stay home 24/7?
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| | | | | | Re: FBI makes me laugh, so does the RIAA working at home has it's advantages.
Also, I'm just putting up hypotheticals anyhow, if the RIAA wants to spend all that money hunting someone like me down, they're wasting their time. I don't have any MP3s on my machine that I don't already own the albums anyhow, plus the fact they're mostly imports so screw RIAA. | |
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Said by Parry Aftab, executive director of Wired Safety
1) "If all anyone has to do to find out where someone lives in real life is to drop by the clerk's office at any Federal District Court and fill out a form alleging that they own a copyright that is being infringed, all our work to protect people online is wasted,"
2) "Armed with an IP address and malicious intent, a stalker, sexual predator, con artist and identity thief will easily be able to pierce the veil of anonymity afforded to Internet users."
3) "The identities of law enforcement officials undertaking important criminal investigations online could be inadvertently compromised from the abuse of this subpoena process when the intended target discovers that a law enforcement agency is behind a particular online undercover address,"
Let us think about the implication of people using these tactics and then figure out how to best persuade our legislators to fix the DMCA law.
Don't get me wrong. I am NOT in favor of DMCA, but given that it exists we all should make sure that it's intent is not mis-represented. | |
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Kizaki
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Fort Myers, FL | What happend to their website? www.riaa.com and www.riaa.org have been down for a while what happen to the site? | |
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| | | Re: What happend to their website? They get DDoSed to death every time they change ISPs. The cluelessness of the RIAA in regards to the net extends to more than just P2P.
The RIAA is nothing more than a bunch of damned liars and thieving control freaks. They want to destroy society in search of ultimate control of the entire entertainment process by more than doubling the number of 'felons' in the country because these people simply shared some music.
I'd rather see my tax dollars spent on breaking up drug gangs, catching and incarcerating rapists and murderers, rebuilding bridges and roads, saving natural habitat, housing and feeding the homeless. The RIAA needs to get their heads out of our butts and to start contributing to society for a change.
Damned control freaks!
As far as finding their site goes, you may want to read this: »www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29777.html | |
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| | GlaiceStill around herePremium
join:2002-10-01
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| Re: What happend to their website? Let's get the hackers to dig em out of their entrenched hole for crying out loud. Someone needs to encourage the person who hosts them to format/wipe their servers. 
They seem to be hosted begins a privite IP of 10.10.10.1
RIAA = whining crybabies, probably all fed up from the flood of comments.
Also, technology improves over time. If they have humans imbedded with machines, just how are the RIAA gonna extract the data from us if hard drives/CPU/NICs are implants in our bodies and routed from vital parts of the body?
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| | KoolMoeAw ManPremium
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| | | said by Kizaki:
www.riaa.com and www.riaa.org have been down for a while what happen to the site?
It seems that they are getting hacked every time some publicity about them gets put out on the wire.
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| | | Hahaha, oh my god. Hacked again?! That's just funny. | |
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| | Writhing zeros on your hard drive The person who did all this downloading or uploading (which ever) they should write zeros across their hard drive and start over again a with a new os. With out evidence there is no case. He's innocent until proven guilty. | |
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| | | Re: Writhing zeros on your hard drive True enough, but someone's gonna reply to your post with a rebuttal anyhow Cheers! | |
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| | | I believe the RIAA is acting on the basis that they were able to pull songs from this user via P2P. It has been stated many times in various places that it is the "sharing" of your files, rather than the fact that you have them. It is hard to tell how you got a file, legitimate purchase/rip or P2P. I have gig's of MP3 files, some from P2P (Napster, Mozilla), but many from my own records and CD's. (Yes I did say records. I have taken some gems and played them into the computer.)
Also I have gotten a fair number of files of moderate quality from MP3.com. These files are not visible to the file sharing programs when I choose to run them. BTW, the person in question in the Verizon case is a DSLR member. I saw a post from him a while back. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | WTF RIAA is acting like it has more control than the gov't. They pursue their own interests. RIAA moral? Hell-no. And by citing Luther King, they think that they will get support of more ppl.
What else will come. There is a "war" with drugs, "war" with terrorism and now war in Iraq. Soon RIAA will declare war on Americans using p2p. "Knowledge belongs to people" as stated in ANTITRUST. Music also should belong to people.
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