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Loganville, GA
| This is BS. Welcome to the crappy capitalist united states that we live in =). It doesn't cost time warner any extra money to let these people suck as much bandwidth as possible, but in a move to make more money and to milk the cow as much as possible they move to caps. Thank god no dsl providers in the states have even considered caps. Screw Cable!
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| Re: This is BS. when i get the letter stating that. i will move to verizon for 29.99 1.5 megs down and no download cap its a bargain. there are going to be alot of people droping there service for this. and you can include me in that group. hell i would even drop there cable service over this. | |
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join:2001-01-31
Tampa, FL
clubs: | It is similar to TW saying if you have your TV on more than 4 hours a day we are going to charge you twice as much for your monthly service. | |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
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| Actually, it does cost them more to service "heavy-er" users. Statistical multiplexing uses "average-use" as a weighted input for capacity planning. Heavy users skew/screw up the formula for their local node if not their entire router segment. This forces the provider to buy/allocate more bandwidth -- at a minimum of $3000/100mbs. A cable user base of 10,000 users yields about 2000 cable modem users (at best). So the providers starts to lose [at least] $1.50 per user every time he has to buy another 100mbs (@ 20:1 oversubscribing). That may sound small but remember their profit on any one line is only about $10-$15 -- and they just lost an extra 10% of that because of "heavy users".
Also notice that the P2P "game-is-up" (re: Verizon vs RIAA) These caps could be a subtle "heads-up" from your providers that you are being watched -- take cover. | |
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Also notice that the P2P "game-is-up" (re: Verizon vs RIAA) These caps could be a subtle "heads-up" from your providers that you are being watched -- take cover.
I have said this before and I will say it again, the P2P argument is a smoke screen. What about video conferencing? That can take up some bandwidth. It will get to a point that anything but email and light surfing will get a cap imposed. | |
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Nirvana
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| Re: This is BS. Good point! I video-conference maybe 2-3 times a month for up to an hour sometimes. It would take a pretty complex sniffer to sort-out what I was up to -- except that VC-ing is marked by a fairly symmetrical upload/download bandwidth usage signature.
The RIAA might just go after those with extremely asymmetric upload usage like really generous P2P "sharers". Heavily asymmetric download users might look a bit more innocent than an ardent "sharer" of music. Either way the Verizon case signals open-season on P2P (do you really want free music that badly when you can now download it for .99 cents a cut?) | |
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Loganville, GA | When you are a Tier 1 Provider from what I understand you don't pay for each meg downloaded, all you pay for is the speed.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA
| Re: This is BS. Correct...they pay for their connection, not the volume that passes through it. Their logic is however that you can stretch that connection to serve more users if you limit the number of simult connections by taking the heavy users who are supposedly consuming 24-7 out of the equation. | |
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join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA
| Re: This is BS. Actually, it depends on how that billing model is set up. If you are paying a flat rate for a DS3, you pay that rate regardless of how much data you move. If you are paying 95th percentile on a DS3 with a 3 megabit floor, and then paying $200.00 a megabit after that, it is effected by how much data you move.
The problem is that while a small ISP might only average 6 megabits during a 24 hour window, they need to plan for the spikes or peaks in the traffic. They might average 6 megabits of bandwidth during a 24 hour window, but they have an extended peak (more that 5% of the time) of 18 to 20 megabits.
The problem with a 95th percentile billing is that it does not scale down the single home user or small business connection. Your bill might be $2 one month, and $200.00 the next depending on your usage. As you move more and more data those spikes tend to even out over time.
So, if I were your ISP (of the size described above) which type of backbone connectivity would you want me to have? (remember, I'm gonna pass the cost on to you because I want to stay in business.)
1) A single 100 megabit ethernet connection (i.e. no redundant backbone) for $3000.00 a month.
2) A single DS3 (again, no redundancy) billed on the 95th percentile. A 3 megabit floor at $700.00 a month, 1 megabit increments at $200.00 per megabit.
3) Dual DS3's billed on the 95th percentile. A 3 megabit floor, billed at $700.00 (each), with each one having 1 megabit increments billed at 200.00 per megabit. (this means that if each pipe has a 95th percentile of 3.1 megabits, my bill for that month is $1800.00)
4) A single DS3 (again, no redundancy) tiered to 8 megabits (things get slower if we try to move more than 8 megabits) for $1600.00 a month.
5) Dual DS3's each one tiered to 4 megabits (things get slower on either backbone that attempts to move more than 4 megabits) for $1600.00 a month.
Please remember, there is no wrong answer. These are all viable choices. I just want to know, what type of customer are you?
You would be surprised at how many people come back and say, "we want your ISP to have dual 100 megabit ethernet connections to different providers and we want you to go out and find a top notch provider who will sell you each of those pipes for $1000.00 a month. Then, when you are done doing that, pass the savings on to us." | |
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| Actually, it does cost them more to service "heavy-er" users. Statistical multiplexing uses "average-use" as a weighted input for capacity planning. Heavy users skew/screw up the formula for their local node if not their entire router segment. This forces the provider to buy/allocate more bandwidth -- at a minimum of $3000/100mbs. A cable user base of 10,000 users yields about 2000 cable modem users (at best). So the providers starts to lose [at least] $1.50 per user every time he has to buy another 100mbs (@ 20:1 oversubscribing). That may sound small but remember their profit on any one line is only about $10-$15 -- and they just lost an extra 10% of that because of "heavy users".
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| Re: Everyone Is Entitled To An Opinion said by major marco :
If you were around back in the day when Thomas Jefferson and the other signers of the Constitution/Bill of Rights were still alive, would you tell THEM to leave the country because they didnt like it? I strongly suspect that you would not.
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| The point is, respect one anothers opinions. Saying, "if you dont like it then leave", solves nothing and does nothing to enlighten another person about your point of view.
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join:2000-03-22
Helotes, TX
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join:2002-10-24
Yorkton, SK
| You want to talk about POS caps!
On my service I only am allowed 1 gig both ways per month
Every gig I download over 1 is charged at $5 a gig
If I go over my upstream of 1 gig its charged at $5 for every 200meg over!!!! And some people are complaining about being capped at 20gig!! sheesh..... | |
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Welcome to the crappy capitalist united states that we live in =).
Don't worry, we're working hard to fix that. In a few more years we'll have the utopia we have all dreamed of. Our altruistic government officials will take care of all of our needs. We've already started with Health care, Education and Retirement. Soon we will have government mandated vacation options, diet plans, career tracking, match making, maybe even government supported state religion! We'll ALL have government jobs and the government will decide just how much we need for true happiness. NBA athletes, brain surgeons, street sweepers, and Burger King employees will all be alloted the same government stipend because they are all contributing to the greater good. we'll all be happy in our shiny new government issued state uniforms. I trust all of my properly elected state officials because they are not corrupt like those evil capitalists! Those evil people like Alexander Graham Bell, Henry Ford, Bill Boeing, Ray Crock, Howard Shultz will finally be shown in their true light! How their storm troopers held my family at gun-point and forced me to buy their products... OR ELSE!!!
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It doesn't cost time warner any extra money to let these people suck as much bandwidth as possible
You are getting very sleepy.... Bandwidth is free to all... free to all... free to all... I can consume as much as I want and I won't have to pay... free to all...
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Thank god no dsl providers in the states have even considered caps.
On a more serious note... thankfully my DSL provider has been metering service since 1996 (back when I had a frame connection). If they had offered unlimited I would have chosen somebody else because I would know that they were truly clueless. | |
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Accepting bets I'd be willing to bet that they don't do this in markets where there is viable competition but only in areas where they hold monopoly power over the lions share of broadband users.
My cable provider, Shaw, sold out to a subsidiary of Time Warner. In June or July they will switch to "Bright Networks" (used to be called Time Warner). The up side is that Verizon is deploying Next Generation DLCs and DSL will shortly be available. Under the Shaw system I get 2 megabit to 4 megabit down and 1 megabit to 2 megabit up. I fully expect that to be reduced to 1.5 megabit down and 128 kilobit up soon after Bright Networks takes over. The day caps are implemented will be the day I order DSL either from Verizon or one local CLECs.
Somewhere along the way these big corporations forgot that if you don't offer the customer the services they want, then they will go elsewhere. | |
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Somewhere along the way these big corporations forgot that if you don't offer the customer the services they want, then they will go elsewhere.
That's because I think most people don't go elsewhere. They kick the dog, complain to the wife, and then write the check anyway. | |
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A Time Warner representative we spoke to informed us that the company has always had download caps in place, they have simply "selected not to enforce them".
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| said by Karl Bode :
That's because I think most people don't go elsewhere. They kick the dog, complain to the wife, and then write the check anyway.
I am sort of in this boat.
For me to switch to DSL, (which is half the speed and 9 dollars more a month), I'd have to ALSO have BellSouth hook up a POTS line which I'd NEVER use. So figure in an extra 12 dollars a month for that.
That brings me to ~$66 for half the speed of my current line.
Almost everyone I know here (triad.rr.com) has a cable modem. I RARELY meet someone with DSL. I would be willing to bet TW has a stranglehold on the Broadband market here.
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That's because I think most people don't go elsewhere. They kick the dog, complain to the wife, and then write the check anyway.
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Somewhere along the way these big corporations forgot that if you don't offer the customer the services they want, then they will go elsewhere.
That's because I think most people don't go elsewhere. They kick the dog, complain to the wife, and then write the check anyway.
Or say, what's bandwidth, I'm wearing my cap, where's the "any key". | |
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join:2001-12-13
West Milton, OH
| My Experience When I got "The Letter," I was informed of my "excessive" usage. Then, a few days later, TW called and told me my downloads over the past three months. But, and this is the kicker, I called back to tear some poor manager a new one, and I've been told that "Oh, you're not over the limit." They aren't accurately monitoring my usage! One day it's, "You're over," and the next, "Whoops, you're not." So which is it? If they can't accurately monitor usage, don't be surprised when someone sues your money-grubbing asses.
They're also using the argument of "Oh, everyone else is doing it," as an excuse. Isn't that openly admitting to collusion?
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| Re: My Experience It may be a terrible word, but it is still collusion. They have a full monopoly in my area. I have no other viable options for broadband. Satellite is too expensive and has terrible latency issues, and DSL isn't even available. Besides, they've been screaming "unlimited" to anyone that will listen for the past three years, and as soon as they have the market, they up the prices and implement caps. It's a bait-and-switch, if nothing else.
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| Re: My Experience said by dmd8605 :
It may be a terrible word, but it is still collusion. They have a full monopoly in my area. I have no other viable options for broadband. Satellite is too expensive and has terrible latency issues, and DSL isn't even available. Besides, they've been screaming "unlimited" to anyone that will listen for the past three years, and as soon as they have the market, they up the prices and implement caps. It's a bait-and-switch, if nothing else.
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join:2000-09-05
Mooresville, NC
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| 30 gig cap.. That's a Lot... What am i missing?? I have to be missing something.
It would seem to me that 30 Gigs is a lot. I have two 30 Gig drives. If I downloaded 30 Gigs each month, I would have to go buy a lot more disk space each month.
So, if users are downloading this much stuff, are they going out and buying that much more disk space? | |
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join:2001-12-13
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| Re: 30 gig cap.. That's a Lot... What am i missing?? The amount was misstated. In WOH (Western Ohio,) the cap is only 15 gigs a month. And most of that never sees your hard drive. Web surfing, gaming, e-mail, spam, and even pop-ups add into that. Actual downloads are just a small piece of the puzzle. And with the speeds they give us, you can blow through the cap in under a week.
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| Re: 30 gig cap.. That's a Lot... What am i missing?? said by dmd8605 :
The amount was misstated. In WOH (Western Ohio,) the cap is only 15 gigs a month. And most of that never sees your hard drive. Web surfing, gaming, e-mail, spam, and even pop-ups add into that. Actual downloads are just a small piece of the puzzle. And with the speeds they give us, you can blow through the cap in under a week.
Well if its 30 gigs of CD images it really does not matter at all now does it?
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | It gets expensive. I'm on my second 120gb harddrive in 2 months. Luckily I got one for free from Best Buy due to a raincheck that was filled when a rebate was available. I figure I'm going to have to buy at least 2 more by the end of the summer. | |
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join:2002-05-02
Brooklyn, NY | What about Earthlink? Will this affect partners that uses TW lines like Earthlink? Or is it only for TW customers?
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| Re: What about Earthlink? From what I'm hearing, no, this won't affect companies that plug into the TW lines. And all of this is making me seriously consider switching to Earthlink. First 6 months at AOL dial-up prices, then $5/month cheaper than Roadrunner.
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join:2003-06-11
Winston Salem, NC
| Re: What about Earthlink?
Called Road Runner Monday to ask about these new limits and was transfered to their Business Class division. I then asked what I would have to do to keep the level of service I had just three short months ago. He said that I would need to sign up for Road Runner business class and pay $119.00 a month. My download and upload speeds would remain the same and I would have no bandwidth limits. I asked him if there is any tool that I can go online and check to see what my bandwidth consumption for a given month was and he said no. So basically you have to take them for their word when they tell you you are over the limit.
I then contacted Earthlink, and they said that they have no limits in place. They said their special right now is 6 months of Cable internet for $29.95 per month and then $41.95 per month after that. And when you are on the road you get unlimited dial-up service per month. I asked them what I needed to do to switch and was told that everything could be handled over the phone since I already had a Time Warner Cable modem installed at my home.
I then went by the local TW office and paid my RR bill. Asked them for a copy of the Earthlink software for free and left. Then called Time Warner and asked them to disconnect me from RR and switch me to Earthlink. The lady asked why and I explained my contempt for the Draconian way Road Runner has forced this new tiered service policy on their subscribers. She said she thought 15 gigs a month for $45.95 was more than reasonable. *^#(*^#!!! Maybe 30 gigs a month. I could see that. But not 15 gigs. I play Everquest and keep a machine connected 24/7. It does not suck a lot of bandwidth while it is running but if it runs 24/7, then I could see, over the course of a month, eating into my 15 gigs. I suggested that they need to look at a time of day bandwidth rate. If I set up some big downloads to take place from 12 at night until 8 or so in the morning then my downloads would not have any real impact on their network.
A friend of mine three weeks ago turned his Cable modem in and switch to Bell South's ADSL service. Unlimited downloads and uploads.
BELL SOUTH. If you will deploy your services into the rural areas we will sign up!!! | |
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join:2001-12-05
Ephrata, PA
clubs: | What about unwanted usage Here is a problem i see with this. Every Spam email, unwanted popup, dropped download is going to eat up some of my cap room. Why should I as a consumer have to pay for all this crap that I do not want. | |
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join:2002-06-20
| Re: What about unwanted usage said by ogar :
Here is a problem i see with this. Every Spam email, unwanted popup, dropped download is going to eat up some of my cap room. Why should I as a consumer have to pay for all this crap that I do not want.
I've been preaching this for years. All the preaching in the world does not change a thing. The fact is - you will continue to pay for spam for the rest of your internet days and there is nothing you can do about it.
People will continue to feed the spammers and thats why we have it in the first place.
It blows, but it is what it is..
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Grand Rapids, MI
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|  Caps are here! Everyone Rejoice!
Lets look at the facts.
1. The Bandwidth hog exists. I have worked in the ISP industry in the past and seen these people running P2P 24/7. I knew about 7 years ago that the unlimited internet would not stand the test of time and I was right. When you have 20-30 people on a node running P2P 24/7, even with 128k or 256k caps, it drains the available bandwidth for everyone.
2. Caps are a logical way to go as long as they are implemented wisely. I remember reading an article on this forum stating that there should be no reason why people pay for what they use. However, make it reasonable. The caps in Canada where you get 5-10gb a month is totally unreasonable for the cost they are paying. Especially considering the cost of bandwidth these days. 30-45gb is more than sufficient at the current pricing structure. If you are going to go over, then pay for it or go to an uncapped provider. Simple decision.
3. Pay for only what bandwidth you use? I have heard this arguement about spam popups, email and so on. However, the same goes for basic phone service and television. You get advertisements there and you pay for your TV and satellite equipment. You get telemarketers calling your home phone. Even though it isn't the best way to do it, spam and ads are going to be used on your broadband connection. Get the tools like popup killer to fight off what you can. Besides, spam and ads may add up over time, but a bulk of the data you recieve and send is going to be ad free.
I know there are many people here who are vehimently against caps. I am not against them as long as they are intelligently implemented. People should pay for the bandwidth they use.
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| Don't Forget You can still get a no monthly cap plan if you go with the lowest tier of business class, which here is $69 $59. Yeah you are going to get slower speeds, but even RR Xtreme has a monthly cap and it costs more. Just something to think about.
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Denver, CO
| Re: I'm Glad Sad really.....this is sort of reverse progress if you ask me. Next we will see dollar and hr dial up again. LOL Don't people pay enough already? I use Comcast and if they did this people wiould freak out, especially after the recent bundle/rate hike thing. I think this very well could help DSL, especially in markets like here, where both is offered. I hope people really form a write in campaign on this, and try to change RR's minds, that this is NOT in their best interest. If you ask me, it is ridicules.....I thought more people using a service would lower prices and better competition, isn't that what it usually does? | |
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| And the FCC wants to punish cable users Looks like cable providers are going to hand over customers to the Telcos voluntarily. I'm a happy Comcast user but they day they enforce daily or monthly caps is the day I take my $200/mo and go back to WISP, Verizon and Dish Network.
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clubs: | Re: Whatta Rip Actually the bandwidth does cost extra. But only because they oversell their available bandwidth to make more money. Isn't greed great? Of course other people will just argue that it's good business. | |
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join:2001-07-06
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Actually the bandwidth does cost extra. But only because they oversell their available bandwidth to make more money.
Can you give us a bit more detail here? | |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Web hog! I can see the telco's breeches loading now. New ads touting the cable caps...cable installers running around with scissors cutting the cable of people who actually use their service without notice.
The image of the web hog was created by these telco ads...they should continue this theme to grab even more cable internet customers.
We need more telco-satellite TV cross branding so that people can make it a one stop shop for dumping cable. Imagine going to Verizon and getting bundled discounts telephone, internet and satellite TV service (provided by DTV, DN or whoever they have the agreement with). Telcos waste time trying to figure out how to deliver video over their networks...don't bother. Time for small arms fire ads is over. Time to nuke the cable companies with a complete revamping of how and what services telcos provide. | |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Re: Web hog! And I thought I was so smart. That's exactly what I was thinking of. $30 for 1.5Mb service, plus when I was with Dish Network I had great service (save for some compression problems over last summer when they added the locals). If Verizon in my area offered this kind of stuff, I'd drop Comcast CATV, HSI and Vonage (to get the price) even though I'm getting great service from Comcast and Vonage. | |
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robie88
join:2003-04-19
New York, NY
| Where does it end? I can't see that it would be workable to switch from RR to Earthlink if caps fall in place, as I can't imagine a set of circumstances where Earthlink cable through TWC wouldn't have to eventually put caps in place, as well.
It seems to me that the only realistic choice in my neck of the woods would be to switch to Verizon dsl since I would hate to have to switch providers twice in a brief period of time. It's too bad,and I hate to do any switching at all, but TWC already gets about $80 a month from me for basic cable TV and RR, and it's impossible to predict where their greed will stop. I mean do I really have to pay TWC $100 a month just to get what are really basic services nowadays? | |
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nothing00
join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
| The proper way to cap users Only cap people's upstream bandwidth. Don't count downloaded bytes against the quota.
Does that sound any better? I'm still anti-cap. Especially at ridiculous 15GB limits. Might as well go back to dialup for that type of aggregate bandwidth and save yourself some real dollars.
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tparker69
join:2003-06-10
Winston Salem, NC
| This Is War Don't you imagine Dsl,dialup are looking at this and licking their chops the best bet for us users in my area is Bell South Dsl which cost 45 a month for 1.5 down and 256 up compared to 3000 down and 364 up for 99 dollars or 2 down 256 up unlimited for 119.95 a month.I bet Earthlink jumps to the same pricing Time Warner won't let them have it any other way I hope they lose 90 % of Customers.Whatever happened to they wanted everyone on Broadband.This is what happens when Monopoly's take over they charge whatever they think they can get away with.I would like to know how they are going to get people to use VideoPhone cable service and run Movies through the Internet Backbone.The paltry 15 Gig is ridicious they stand to make some serious money if they can pull off this over 100% increase in Cable prices I have Cable tv with one Premium so this would make my bill almost 160 dollars a month.I am in a two mile stretch where i can't get Dsl yet so it looks like i will be using dialup and Roadrunner 15 Gig not serious user bandwidth till the smoke clears I am not going to stop listening to Streaming radio it will have to be over a different service though i could afford it but it is the principle of the ideal this is strictly a money maker to make up for Ted Turner selling all his stock and also will help them recover from AOL merger I refuse to support them .This is my opinion only i have had RR for almost 4 years and it started out where there was no cap,no popups for a long time.it is going to take a orginized effort to make this nightmare go away.I talked to a installer the other day and he said Time Warner has the bandwidth that it is strictly a money thing to them so let your voices be heard and if it comes to it Our Congress Critter needs to hear from us. | |
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| stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: This Is War
Charter Pipeline 768/128 $39.95 monthly(plus $4.95 rental for the cable modem-figure if something happens either w/cable or the electrical, I'll take it back to the CO and say: "The Damn thing broke, gimme a new one!"
San Luis Obispo, CA
One happy camper here w/their service...so far(4 months) | |
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| | stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: This Is War update to my comment:
looks like a 15GB/monthly(per the RoadRunner letter that someone thoughtfully posted here) cap alows for only 133 Hrs per month of streaming audio( a little over 4 hours per day). This means if one does nothing else whilst online, then 4 hours a day is all one gets just listening to one's favorite station. Jeeze...like driving a Ferrari @ 25MPH... | |
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ericbald
join:2001-02-10
Minneapolis, MN
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| Switching from Qwest DSL to Time Warner Roadrunner This is a great discussion. I have to admit, I was thinking about switching to RoadRunner - via Time Warner - here in Minneapolis. I have Qwest DSL. Cable is twice as fast and $3-$4 per month cheaper. But with the possible new caps...maybe I'll wait and see... | |
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Jeebie
@attbi.com | Better Get Used To It Comcast has also started this capping in my area. Its a trend that is beginning, we will see more and more of this. I personally don't care since I don't download alot of music, but I think you will see all companies putting in caps eventually. | |
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| stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
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| | robie88
join:2003-04-19
New York, NY
| Re: Better Get Used To It One of the most interesting aspects of this "xtreme" pricing is that the people that accept it are totally red-flagged to the RIAA and MPAA as p2p users. Now they won't have to worry about subpoenas for individual user names, they can just go after an entire account group with TWC. It's like you would be an automatic suspect! | |
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| | sherpaboy
join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA
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Hummm.....
Lets see.... Could it be that with a dialup connection you might be able to download .4944 Gigs in a 24 hour period, but with a 768k connection you could download 7.2 Gigs in a 24 hour period?
Bandwidth costs were not a factor with dialup. | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO | Exactly where are you that Comcast is capping you...so far they have not institued anything I have heard of. | |
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