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join:2003-05-13
East Haven, CT |  Show me the Bandwitdth!!!
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join:2003-06-03 | Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! more importantly show us how much its going to cost and what sort of caps are going to be put on a 100mb line | |
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Your Daddy
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join:2001-11-26
Earth | Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! Hey at least its not charter
10 years from now they'll be having 10meg down/128k up lines. | |
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Your Daddy
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Earth | Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! Ah, I see you have pointed out the flaw in my humor. | |
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Birmingham, AL | Chowder Pipeclog - LOL! | |
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Your Daddy
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join:2001-11-26
Earth | wave a magical wand
It takes how long to put together a network. What magic wand do you think can be waved to make the speeds nearly double overnight?
Give it some time. | |
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Roflcopter
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Anaheim, CA
| Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! said by Archivis  :
wave a magical wand
It takes how long to put together a network. What magic wand do you think can be waved to make the speeds nearly double overnight?
Give it some time.
Well, could it be possible that they already have the capability, and are just lying to everyone to keep up prices, and then make everyone think that they are getting a better deal when speeds go up?
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Earth
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! I'm sure one of the good comcast guys will refer to a link about how some areas are very capable of just "flipping a switch" while other areas are near max capacity and require a complete re-do of the entire setup before they can reach the 3meg speeds. I believe comcast is waiting until they can offer these speeds to everyone across the board before they bump everyone up.
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| Show me the Bandwitdth!!! said by Archivis :
I believe comcast is waiting until they can offer these speeds to everyone across the board before they bump everyone up.
That's not been their history .. .
1) The initial transition from @home was done by areas in the country
2) The 256 upload was done by areas in the country
3) Traffic shaping was implemented by areas in the country
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join:2000-12-18
Littleton, CO | Well, could it be possible that they already have the capability, and are just lying to everyone to keep up prices,
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Yea, it's called making a profit. Not many companies can do it these days. | |
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Your Daddy
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Earth
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! I doubt they could have the capability for all of us right this second that we could see this all tomorrow. (Unless of course they've been keeping the development hidden from us over the past few weeks)
The stockholders are very concerned about market share. There are other means to profitability.. including bundling services. Stockholders are much more concerned about market share, then they are the quick buck. Market share ensures a good long runner in the broadband industry. Right now, Verizon is taking a lot of that away from them. Comcast will try and counter that loss.
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join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Truth is, they could pump it up right now because they have fibre outside everyone's home......This is all smoke and mirrors because they charge roughly $43-$46/month for 1500/256 and $95.00 for 3000/384.....so were does this 100MB connection fit in ??? | |
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Your Daddy
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Earth
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Show me the Bandwitdth!!! said by ashworth :
Truth is, they could pump it up right now because they have fibre outside everyone's home......This is all smoke and mirrors because they charge roughly $43-$46/month for 1500/256 and $95.00 for 3000/384.....so were does this 100MB connection fit in ???
What smelly oriface did you pull this false information from?
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join:2001-10-06
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| The cable industry is so confused. On one side you have companies implementing usage caps claiming that it just cost too much to operate at current speeds when everyone is able to do whatever they want.
On the other side you have Comcast talking about increasing speeds multiple times higher then current values.
I don't get it.
What's the point of having super fast speeds when you fill your usage cap in a matter of hours?
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join:2002-10-13
Marietta, GA
| Re: The cable industry is so confused. said by stet :
What's the point of having super fast speeds when you fill your usage cap in a matter of hours?
Bragging rights? | |
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Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| I was just going to say that. Maybe Comcast is actually being smart for a change, and saying "Hey we are the biggest, let's show these little other cable companies how it's done" and trying to set a standard for others to follow. I don't think they would do caps now, especially after the bundeling/rate hike fiasco. I think they know people are quite pissed at em. Also maybe they see that if they were to cap, people would flock in droves to dsl....and it would hurt them since they are the biggest, and have the most to lose with dsl offered many times in the same service area. | |
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jtudor
Xm 60's On 6 Freak
Premium,MVM
join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC
| I feel the same about this and about the supposed coming content.
What good is streaming video on demand if the providers are going to cap you when you have viewed 2 or 3 full length movies?
Give up the caps, then talk about providing content!!
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Roflcopter
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Anaheim, CA
| Re: The cable industry is so confused. said by major marco :
said by stet :
What's the point of having super fast speeds when you fill your usage cap in a matter of hours?
Just goes to show you that usage caps on bandwidth is just a smoke & mirrors ploy to jack up the pricetag in markets where cable internet is the only broadband available. You won't see any cable internet ISPs sending threatening letters about exceeding bandwidth in the same market where consumers have a choice between cable or DSL.
Oh...NOW I see why I haven't ever heard anything about caps from my provider...
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join:2003-06-10
Winston Salem, NC
| Re: The cable industry is so confused. Well i have to disagree with you here roadrunner just announced next month will be the first to have 15 gigs as max download Bell South Dsl is in the area they offer 1.5 down and 256 up for 45 it is going to be interesting here in Winston Salem to see how many do switch i am in a two mile stretch where i can't get Dsl yet but i am hollering real loud for help right now.I will go to dialup before i pay 99.95 a month for 40 gigs i hope enough people refuse to pay the price. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by stet :
On one side you have companies implementing usage caps claiming that it just cost too much to operate at current speeds when everyone is able to do whatever they want.
On the other side you have Comcast talking about increasing speeds multiple times higher then current values.
I don't get it.
What's the point of having super fast speeds when you fill your usage cap in a matter of hours?
Sign up now and you can be the first on your block to get it (if we ever decide to implement it and you can pay the higher cost.)
Nothing more than marketing and hype. | |
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O Rly?
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join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA | If they increase your download by a factor of thirty, will they also increase the price proportionally?
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join:2002-10-13
Marietta, GA
| Re: The cable industry is so confused. said by aztecnology :
If they increase your download by a factor of thirty, will they also increase the price proportionally?
I'd wager their profit they would... | |
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join:2001-08-06
Salt Lake City, UT
| Normal Users What does the average home user need with more than 1megabit? Maybe two. I mean honestly, even the average joe at home downloading MP3's doesn't need that kind of bandwith.
I'm not complaining, don't get me wrong. I have 6 room mates and we only have a 1.5/1.5 line. I know what I would do with that kind of line. | |
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schnuggles
Stays Crunchy In Milk
join:2003-06-07
Deming, NM
| Re: Normal Users
Until/unless we move to things like movie download on demand, I can't see where 3mb/s is going to help me. We have Surewest fiber here (used to be Winfirst), and it offers 10mb/s, but I again I can't justify the additional expense. | |
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Avatar. Get It, Avatar?
join:2002-06-20
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What does the average home user need with more than 1megabit? Maybe two. I mean honestly, even the average joe at home downloading MP3's doesn't need that kind of bandwith.
I'm not complaining, don't get me wrong. I have 6 room mates and we only have a 1.5/1.5 line. I know what I would do with that kind of line.
Yeah, exactly - I remember a day when we would never need a machine faster than a 486 with a 2400 baud modem. Damn these speed demons! what are they thinking?
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join:2003-01-12
Granger, IN | Maybe for MP3s or websurfing that's fine, but for downloading large game demos, etc. it's great to have access to my 10/10 mbps at work. It's much better not having to wait  | |
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Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | Re: Normal Users Yeah I agree. Getting a 150MB game demo in 10-15 minutes might not seem that long, but 2 minutes sounds a whole lot better. | |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | quote:
What does the average home user need with more than 1megabit? Maybe two.
Yeah, and who would ever need more than 640k of RAM?
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redstepchild
Premium
join:2002-01-04
Birmingham, AL
| I am sure it will be more costly and it may have other features that appeal to people in the market for those speeds.
But it will improve speeds for people with multiple computers. The question I have is this..
If you increase the speeds.. what will become the bottleneck?
For example.. in the old @home days... there were no caps.
your bottlenecks were your modems.. if you were using USB and sharing that connection with other active devices.. ect.
Will these new speeds require the deployment of new modems?
(great news for modem manufactureres.. they need a reason to make updated ones)
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I'M Fixin It
join:1999-10-18
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| How about unbloching services If I'm not mistaken Comcast still blocks servers.One of the reasons I use DSL is so I can access files from anywhere, and make the exchange of files available for business and personal use
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join:2003-06-10
Joliet, IL | sweet bring that 100mbit my way roberts!! | |
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join:2003-02-20
Shawnee, OK | Re: At those type of speeds Right, it's internet for a day or two every month then you hit your up/down caps, Are the caps going to increase to? | |
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chachster
Premium
join:2002-08-07
Westerville, OH
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| Oh more bandwidth, but what about... What about concentrating on providing reliable service and superior customer service?? Don't get me wrong, I believe in advancing technology just as the next guy, but I do believe there needs to be a point where ISP's decided to concentrate on keeping their customers happy. No, I don't think that 'better support' should come at an additional cost. Why should someone have to pay extra to get an answer to a problem? Now, the possiblity of getting a discount for no support, but I don't think anyone should be forced to pay for better support.
Now, don't get me wrong, a bigger pipe to the home could mean in selling additional services, etc. Let's just hope they can do that with better support. Just my 2 cents! | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | So do it already, Brian! All I've seen so far is Comcast media spin about how they are "seriously looking" and "aiming" at increasing download speeds.
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Sounds good but... Our upload will still be 384kbps. | |
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Roflcopter
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Anaheim, CA
| Re: Sounds good but... said by insomniac84 :
Our upload will still be 384kbps.
That's the thing...providers also need to provide the upstream speeds. I don't really see how providing higher upstream speeds is any more complex than downstream speeds.
Hey, but look at the bright side...at least you have 384(I'm stuck with 128) 
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I killed the Wabbit
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join:2003-05-20
Va Beach
clubs: | LOL id like to see that too 3mbs up/down is what ill take, only if its 1.95 a month! | |
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deblin
Dark Side of the Moon
Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
Middletown, DE
| How about solving the local loop problem? This is fine and dandy, but how does it resolve the problem of local loops causing high latency and latency spikes for customers where there is a high density of cable modem customers?
For example, on my street, until recently, cable was the only broadband option. so during peak times, my pings would vary from 10ms to 200ms, and of course Comcast (ATTBI at the time) would do nothing about it.
So how is providing MORE bandwidth under the SAME loop constraints going to be a GOOD thing for the areas that are oversold and need a separate trunk created? Beware if you're pings are already fluxuating, when they move everyone to 3Mbit it's NOT going to improve, but degrade! | |
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Roflcopter
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Anaheim, CA
| Re: How about solving the local loop problem? Yes...I would rather have a cable company add more servers than add more speed. That way, you may have slightly slower speeds, but you'll have speeds that don't fluxuate all the time, and good latency at the same time.
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deblin
Dark Side of the Moon
Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
Middletown, DE
| Re: How about solving the local loop problem? Which is exactly why I ditched cable and got DSL
I consistently get 150KB/s and 10ms pings to my gateway.
Sure, comcast gives you 180KB/s or something like that, but I'd rather have 30KB/s less and consistency | |
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deblin
Dark Side of the Moon
Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
Middletown, DE
| Re: How about solving the local loop problem? Yeah right, you're assuming the companies WILL do something. Cable modem providers are notoriously lax in proactive maintenance and service fixes. Basically everyone on my street would have to call to get them to do anything (fat chance of that happening, when my neighbor is perfectly happy with being able to check their email at 56k speeds). | |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
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| You can have that speed if you move. Ireland, Korea, Japan, Tawain, and even CHINA has 100mb connections to HOMES.
The US sucks in terms of new technology, when we start rolling out this here, they will be laughing at us like they are now.
Governments and stupid flinging poo between telcom people is limiting the US
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Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| Re: You can have that speed if you move. said by markopoleo :
Ireland, Korea, Japan, Tawain, and even CHINA has 100mb connections to HOMES.
The US sucks in terms of new technology, when we start rolling out this here, they will be laughing at us like they are now.
Governments and stupid flinging poo between telcom people is limiting the US
Korea, Japan, Taiwan are DENSE DENSE DENSE (get the point?) urban areas. It is far easier for them to supply fast speeds by creating large MAN's etc. They don't use any super secret breakthrough technologies....they are just closer together.
I have a friend in Taiwan who doesn't live in the metro area and his broadband is limited to dialup....yes, good ole dialup. He has no cable, no DSL, nada.
But see unlike the US and UK in Korea, Taiwan, Japan MOST of the population is smashed into small areas far denser then that of most american cities
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dddane
join:2002-01-10
Chicago, IL
| you left a few countries out... spain has far better infrastructure... too.
dense? thats a lame excuse. read my previous post about how comcast doesn't even have cable modem service to all of their cable TV subscriber areas *in* the city of chicago city limits... you're going to tell me its not dense enough? rrright. | |
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Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| Re: You can have that speed if you move. No i'd say your making the assumption that it is some simple procedure to upgrade a HFC network to the point of offering HSI, VOD, etc etc...the planning alone takes quite awhile, and thats if there are no major hurdles stopping rollout.
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iolaire
join:2001-06-29
Arlington, VA
| First how about 10mb? So who cares about 100mb? Right now I own a modem that is good for up to 10mb but I only get 1.5mb.
The technology is here, it is Comcast (and its business plan/path to profitability etc...) that prevents me from utilizing today's technology.
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rickten
join:2002-03-09
Davis, CA
| keep speed give rock solid reliability I would rather see speeds stay the same but have it be a gauranteed 1.5mbit/128kbit rather than up to 1.5mbit kinda deal. That way there are no slow downs on sunday afternoons when everyone is online. Give us solid pings that are ALWAYS the same and don't fluctate depending on time of day and time of week. That would interest me more at this point than 100mb. | |
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join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA
·Cox HSI
| not there yet Ha this may be a good idea years from now, but I get 3 Mbps and I like it just fine.....I wouldnt mind staying right there, and having my cable company concentrate on upping the upstream cap from 256 where it is now. 100 megabits is pointless these days. lets shoot for ten! | |
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Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
·Embarq
| Good or bad As a DSL subscriber I think this will only make things better for us. Comcast's superiority (in the market) has made DSL companies lower prices and pump up the whole fiber to the curb deal. This in turn has caused Comcast to start pumping up their speed offerings. Hopefully (fingers crossed here) this will go through and DSL companies will raise availability, speeds, and lower prices.
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join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE
clubs:
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| Re: Good or bad one question? What do we do if comcast were to go to a 10 Mbit+ cap? Current modems only have a 10 Mbit Ethernet connnection, and just like ATA, you can't max it out, the highest I have ever got on a 100 Mbit connection is 85 Mbits, so for a 10 Mbit it would probably be like 9 in reality. Everyone would have to get a new cable modem with a 100BaseTX link to experience full 10 Mbit+ speeds. | |
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join:2002-08-28
Dyer, IN | Re: Good or bad I would gladly buy a new modem to receive 100 mbps if it were available. However, I do not think that we will see residential 100 mpbs service for a very long time.
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Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | I've heard (but not seen) that there are now 10/100/1000Mbit cards on the market now. | |
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scooputer
join:2002-08-08
Ogden, UT
|  I WANT MORE UPLOAD BANDWIDTH!
~$45=1.5 down, 256 up, equivalent to 1 subscriber
~$90=3.0 down, 512 up, equivalent to 2 subscribers
~$135=4.5 down, 768 up, equivalent to 3 subscribers
and so forth...
Even at $135, 4.5 down, and 768 up, I am getting the same bandwidth as 3 subscribers, paying the bill of 3 subscribers, but only one drop to maintain, one modem to maintain, and one subscriber to deal with customer support. How could the cable company not make out? I want more upload bandwidth, am willing to pay for it, but they will not offer it, WHY? | |
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mig288
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Merchantville, NJ | knee deep in BS! | |
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join:2002-10-21
| Re: knee deep in BS! The thing is, you won't be downloading that faster because the person on the other side ur downloading from ir ur using p2p will usually have a t1 or dsl or cable that's limited to 1.5mb to 3mb. BTW if u live in California then ur damn lucky since they already have 100/100 for under 100 a month!!! | |
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coastdweller4
"Teh Fff Wizard"
join:2002-01-29
Modesto, CA | Since 1999.. Palo Alto California | |
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racer9876
Defender Of The Universe
Premium
join:2000-07-03
Lancaster, CA
| Capacity I think he meant we will have a total of 100Mbps of capacity for data/video and voice. It would probably amount to something like this 10Mbps is for data, 89Mbps for video and, 1Mbps for voice. The video will eat lots of bandwidth since it will have to be HDTV and that eats 20Mbps of bandwidth per channel. So say you have 4 TV's in your house and you want to watch TV on all at the same time. It will completely use up all that bandwidth alloted for the video and probably have to take a bit from the bandwidth alloted for the data.
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Premium
join:2003-04-07
Boston, MA | Re: Capacity Why does it cost an ISP more money to give you faster uploads?
When they purchase their lines....say they have a OC3@155mb/s.......they get 155 up...and 155 down.....
What happens to the left over? | |
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Finalnight
join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE
clubs: | Re: Capacity Management secretly uses excess bandwith for the worlds porn servers. | |
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join:2002-12-26
Brooklyn, NY
| This is only a rumor but I believe that right now download bandwidth is cheaper. Meaning if your download/upload ratio is 90/10 or higher on the download you can buy bandwidth at a cheaper cost then say if you were downloading 10% and pushing 90%.
Hence to keep costs down, cable companies are buying bandwidth and using it for mostly download. Hence the 1500/128 Type Speeds | |
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Premium
join:2003-04-07
Boston, MA | I've never heard of such garbage.
Here at work we have a slew of T!'s....all symmetric. | |
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dddane
join:2002-01-10
Chicago, IL
| they dont even have regular cable modems everywhre there are a number of neighborhoods inside the city of chicago where you can't even get a cable modem from them still... . why the hell not? there is no logical reason whatsover. if its technical reasons, its pathetic that they haven't upgraded their network. | |
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aSic
application specific
Premium
join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL
clubs:
| Re: they dont even have regular cable modems everywhre Cable modems? Bah.. I live 2 miles east of a north-south running highway. Theres the national forest on the west side, and subdivisions and trailers scattered about on acerage on the east side. Comcast has cable running along this north-south highway coming from the city to the smaller town south of the city. Strangely enough Comcast refuses to extend east of the intersection to where all the houses are. Even more strange is how it extends to the west for 5 miles into the national forest where it terminates at where the lines cross a creek in the middle of no frickin where. Point? Who knows. Maybe the animals in the forest got together and bought one of those flat screen wall hanging digital cable ready HDTVs and hung it from a pine tree out there at the creek.
Comcast needs to get their heads out of their ass and extend to where the demand is before they go bumping up speeds and adding services to people who dont really need it. | |
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