DSL - from the installer by Mr Butt Phone. Is getting a working DSL line Dumb Stupid Luck? History that matters: "LOAD COILS", a cute device buried underground to help the sound of females voices in the 1930's-1950's. Oh yes female voices.. reminds me of the time I had a lady meet me at the front door wearing nothing but a towel, oops, I'd best get back to the subject... PROBLEM #1 : Load Coils will KILL the DSL signal. Cure: we swap the F1 cable. Whats that? CO---->Cross Box(F1)---->Aerial Terminal(F2)---->House [ could be all underground too, but the labels still apply.] The CO, usually 6-10 in a large town. You have to be within about 16,000 ft of one for a reliable signal depending on many variables. Quality of the cable,distance, number of junctions and such. Swapping the F1: I call assignments and get a different cable,then call design and they figure the wiring for the DSL part. Your phone number is the same, I swap the F1 end at the crossbox, the CO folks swap their F1 end so your number is the same. It can take from 20 min to 6 hours depending on circumstances. F2 swap, same gig as above, but often ladder work especially at the drop end. Often harder cause the record keeping is casual it seems. Often have to search and locate the proper pair. Problem #2 INFERIOR INTERIOR WIRINGThe PREVIOUS OWNER is the only person who has done this. Thats what all my customers say..Yeah Right..I find the whole house wired in portable phone extension cord...UGLY.. BAD..Wiring left over from 1930 just running off to some dead jack..This will kill your signal too. Voice may be fine but not the high frequency of DSL. Just last week, the house was build in 20's the ORIGINAL phone stuff was still in use, in the bastment on the floor joists. I just chopped off the old wire and the signal went from 0 to 24 db.. Trouble #3 MICROFILTERS BACKWARDS OR MISSINGGotta have those filters on ALL DEVICES, heres a short list: 1. Answering Machine 2. Fax machine 3. Alarm system 4. Other phones on the same number 5. Digital Cable boxes 6. Satalite TV boxes 7. Wall mounted phones too Headache #4 NO OPERATING SYSTEM CD...Customer has gotten uncle George to build the computer and George "shared" his copy of WIN98 but the CD is in the NEXT STATE... Many files get installed when NIC cards or modems are installed. Without the CD, IT WONT HAPPEN..... Pain in the Tush #5 DSL SALESPERSON UNTRUTHS"Well the salesman said you'd come out and fix it"... So he got his $40-60 bucks wheather it works or not...I think I want a sales job.... OH your at 21,000 feet...it will NEVER WORK just to plain far. Well the truth is it may work, My longest feed I recall is over 19,000 FT!! The quality of the cable has to be there of course. I've seen 10,000 that wouldnt work, just too much moisture in the cable. Too many cable splices and such. Bummer #6 NO SPARE F1 OR F2I arrive and find you have load coils on your line. There are no unloaded spares, or NO SPARES at all. End of story, Get a cable modem, oh no cable here, get it over the satalite. Stick to your 56K.......... JUST DO IT!! COUGH UP THE BUCKS AND ORDER OH SURE the sales person says it will work..Now you know since your above educatiion it MAY not. But the ONLY way to tell is PLACE YOUR ORDER TODAY!! So look around this site and get your approximate distance. If your over 10,000 FT save your quarters till you can spring for a CISCO 675. It works better on weakers signals that the Intel 2100 It seems. NEXT INSTALLMENT ...What I find when I come to your house... As the door creaked open, she casually closed her robe, exposed was her.........
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Mr. Butt Phone (nice name) has done a really thorough job of identifying the challenges we face, and while some of the details may vary slightly from carrier to carrier the basic fact remains that we are providing a revolutionary new service over an existing and highly inconsistent infrastructure. The Number One Goal from my perspective, as a broadband ISP, is to satisfy our customers. To do that we need make this discovery process as quick, and painless as possible so that consumers don't have to endure long waits, and great personal effort to find out whether they can benefit from this technology or not.
The bottom line for DSL in my opinion - This is still the very early days of broadband and your results may vary. DSL may not be right for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not right for the Millions that will benefit from a very high performance Internet connection at a very good price.
Regards,
Rob Froelich
VP of Carrier Relations and Service Delivery
Phoenix Networks | |
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Littleton, CO |  Re: DSL - from the installer
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Redmond, WA | Re: DSL - from the installer
As for "not being deployed.. even to metropolitan areas, such as Colorado Springs, Colorado," I don't think most companies regard that as a major metro area. Usually, those are the ones that you hear about regularly, such as New York, Dallas, Chicago, San Fran, etc... | |
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Littleton, CO | Re: DSL - from the installer
About IDSL, it delivers at 144k, approximately 2.5 times that of a 56k modem. It's basically ISDN that uses all three pair and isn't dialup. Big deal... I'll stick with this 56k modem until something more convincing actually makes it to my area, which will be quite awhile I'm thinking.
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Monroe, GA | Had "uncle George" been thinking he would have copied the Win98 folder over from the CD and ran setup from there and it wouldnt ask for the CD.
All these folks hype DSL yet its available to very few. Like the BellSouth ads on the radio. They say "limited availability" that is an understatement to say the least. I live in an Alltel serviced area in GA and there are no CLECs in this area. Getting Alltel to do anything other than take your money is like pulling teeth. So much for fast connects for folks in my hood. | |
| | Anon | Well by all accounts the process sounds like a
real "cluster..."
yet it remains true that you cannot win unless
you play. So I await 7 August to see whether
SBC/ASI will actually be able to turn on ADSL
at mi casa. Keep hope alive! | |
| | | "Wiring left over from 1930 just running off to some dead jack..This will kill your signal too."
I might have something like this in my house. How can I go about identifying and fixing a dead jack? (Without having a phone guy pay a visit, that is.)
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kudos:1 | Re: DSL - from the installer Ideally, the best thing to do is re-wire the phone "system" in your house. Granted, in some cases, this may not be an easy job. Another reason, not directly related to DSL though, is the way phones were wired years ago, it was a "chain" type layout -- the wire from the phone company's entry goes to one phone, then to another phone, then to another. If the link dies in front of the first phone, #2 and 3 won't work. The new way is called something like "star" -- an individual wire is run to *each* phone.
As for identifying dead jacks, just plug a phone into it !! If it doesn't work, don't bother "fixing" it. If it runs right to the distribution block, you could run a new wire (pull the new wire into place as you pull the old one out). Otherwise, get rid of it. | |
| | | Anon | Don't forget to blame your ISP when your DSL doesn't work. People love doing that. Sorry. cynical dsl tech. | |
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | I think somthing was forgot here. Load coils are bad to have but, alot of times they will remove those for you. A SLC (slic) is a major drawback.
The only thing you can do is wait for the Telco to update and install a miniram. This is a much worse situation then load coils. | |
| | Anon | you cannot put filters on a alarm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!it wont work | |
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| Anon | We have a problem with free pairs here. The house is only wired with two, one is our phone and one is our SDSL line. We wanted to change to a new DSL provider and ISP but they can't run them in parallel without us losing the voice line. USWest told us it was "no problem" to drop another pair to us and they "did it all the time" but it sounds like that isn't the case at all. It's been about 4 months since we signed up and paid for our new service and they keep saying they are still trying to get a new pair  | |
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Littleton, CO | Re: DSL - from the installer
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Cow Towne
kudos:3 | Well it's like this.
Facility F1's engineered by folks looking a plats and given out by assignment. Neither of whom have ever been out in the field. Me. There's loads on this pair. Engineer. Nope according to the plat there are no load coils on that pair. Me. Well frame can see em from the inside, my 965 see's em from the box and I can't get sync. Engineer. You sure you got everything connected properly. Me. Arrrgh.
Facility 2 F2's those are ours baby. Cut to the field, build em, roll em, frog em, whatever it takes to get service.  | |
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