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Whatever happened to Warchalking?
(old news - 03:04PM Wednesday Jul 02 2003)
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Do you remember all of the hype surrounding warchalking (the use of symbols to mark wireless hotspots)? Have you seen any marks? Some are betting the whole thing is little more than a fine mix of media blathering and hot air. Initially interest was very heavy in the phenomenon, with Wired News running a feature on the hippest tech fad around. Soon after that, Warchalking was named one of the "100 most significant ideas of the year 2002" by the New York Times Magazine.

Though the practice apparently originated in London, the idea of warchalking quickly made the rounds elsewhere. Many establishments posted the warchalking symbol card in their shop windows in an attempt to advertise their Wi-Fi service while announcing their own hipness. Very few places however, wound up using the idea as it was intended.

There was ensuing debate in several media outlets about the legality of Warchalking, with the FBI even issuing a warning to field offices about the practice as if it were a raging epidemic. But aside from the idea's creators and the few visitors to Warchalking.org, is anyone actually doing it?

This reader of Declan Mcallaugh's Politech mailing list apparently is researching the phenomenon, and so far seems to believe it's 95% media created hype and 5% actual implementation (if that). He argues that the entire concept simply isn't practical; the symbols used to mark wireless access points could too easily be missed, or they'd likely wash away in the rain.

He offers a one dollar bounty if someone comes forward who actually uses Warchalking to identify hotspots. "I am willing to propose a wager, or a bounty. I'll bet one dollar that warchalking is not a meaningful way of locating Wi-Fi hotspots. To win the bounty, can anyone deliver someone that uses warchalking to locate Wi-Fi hotspots?"

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pnh102
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Perfectly Plausable Reason

Warchalking was named one of the "100 most significant ideas of the year 2002" by the New York Times Magazine.

Maybe it was because Jayson Blair did the write up for this?
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Re: Perfectly Plausable Reason

said by pnh102 See Profile:
Warchalking was named one of the "100 most significant ideas of the year 2002" by the New York Times Magazine.

Maybe it was because Jayson Blair did the write up for this?

Nice! Couldn't have said it better myself.

oliphant5
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Way funny!

ChinaMan

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Why warchalk? Who cares. Scribble on my property and I will kick your a**. Like I care where WIFI is. If I am wanting to use it, guess what...chances are I am running Kismet and finding the same network you are pointing me to.

Warchalking is for kids. No one cares except the kids themselves. Years ago, we called it "tagging". Now its warchalking, whatever. Stupid then, stupid now and stupid tomorrow. Save your chalk...

Maxo
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FBI

Why would the FBI give a crap if companies are advertising that their business allows wi-fi for their customers.
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kapil
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Re: FBI

Because The Iraqi information minister reported on Al Jazeera that Osama is getting into the Wireless ISP business. Apparently he will use the legitimate business as a cover while the bandwidth is really being used to communicate with WMD missile silos in Al Qaeda sleeper cells all over North America.
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[text was edited by author 2003-07-02 15:43:42]

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Re: FBI

I can see it now!! "Baghdad Bob's, your full service WI-Fi stop to the weapons of mass destruction."

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said by Maxo See Profile:
Why would the FBI give a crap if companies are advertising that their business allows wi-fi for their customers.

What the FBI is warning businesses about is that their WI-FI Network maybe compromised if you show up to work one day and see the symbols outside your office...They could care less about businesses that are actually providing this as a free service.
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Frank
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I'll tell you what happend

It rained and the chalk all got washed away

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Re: I'll tell you what happend

Oh come on. I see mysterious, masked agents around my house all the time drawing little lines on the ground and writing "11 Mbps here!"

kapil
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DUMB!

This is the dumbest idea in the world. When was the last time you grabbed your laptop and went for a 10 mile walk? ...and you can't really drive 1 mile per hour while trying to avoid collecting pedestrian killing points AND trying to find the damned chalk marks at the same time. The French are snotty, The italians have good food, The Germans - good porn, and the brits are full of dumb ideas.
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[text was edited by author 2003-07-02 15:42:41]

pnh102
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Re: DUMB!

said by kapil See Profile:
This is the dumbest idea in the world. When was the last time you grabbed your laptop and went for a 10 mile walk?
For some geeks, it might finally pull them out of their mom's basements... and you have to agree that all that exercise is a good thing, right?
said by kapil See Profile:
...and you can't really drive 1 mile per hour while trying to avoid collecting pedestrian killing points AND trying to find the damned chalk marks at the same time.
We're supposed to avoid the pedestrians?
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That's why we have netstumbler and gps! I can get ap's doing 65mph on the interstate and log plenty of them, gps will do the pinpointing...who needs to mark them for others when I can keep them for myself...
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Re: DUMB!

Exactly. I never quite got the point of the low-tech warchalking idea. It always sounded a little bit like a gag. (What's the least efficient way to find wireless access? Let's use dissolvable chalk and have our users walk around aimlessly hoping to notice it.)

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21st century hobo marks

the whole idea reminds me of the tramp or hobo marks:
»www.slackaction.com/signroll.htm

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I just saw this Warchalking mark yesterday...

I think it has something to do with FTTH in 10 years...

- Dan
[text was edited by author 2003-07-02 17:16:36]

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I've done it

I've chalked about 20 places around my town, and have found others parked at my spots Usually only works during the summer because the rain washes it away. It's quite fun to get free internet, especially if it's faster than what you have at home. I guess I"m one of those geeks
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parasonic
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WHAT are you TALKING about?

Look.... I warchalk all the time. It's holding its popularity and growing if anything. People still do it. I run around with a pocketpc and do it.

Karl Bode
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Re: WHAT are you TALKING about?

Better e-mail the guy and grab your dollar then....

parasonic
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Re: WHAT are you TALKING about?

Hummm..thanks!

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Yes but did you do this before, or after you read about it on slashdot?

That's intended to be a slight dig, sorry.

Maybe it's all the rage in Chattanooga. I don't know. Never seen it in NY, DC, or Denver, where I've been hanging out the last 2 years.

I have seen "Free Kevin", however; obviously by someone rather late to get the news or concerned about Mr. Mitnick's level of self-enlightenment.
DemonicProf

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I seen it...

I work in S.F. and saw some today, but what made me crack up was that it said.... "802.11 HACKED BITCH!" and then the address. Looked pretty recent too. >;)

Darkflight
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Re: I seen it... or saw it?

So basically what they are saying is that 21st century techies are walking/roaming around with hi-tech laptops with more power than the Space Shuttle or Apollo spacecraft and are committing like a 10th century art of writing with a piece of 1st century chalk??? I dunno bout you folks, but it seems like the evolutionary cycle went kaplut.
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Re: I seen it... or saw it?

word...

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hardly useful

a lot of places are known for having wireless, like starbucks and some bookstores (with starbucks inside). and then theres peoples homes, who usually have a dsl or cable connection, which is not worth it. and then there is a campus, but thats usually secure, and on campus. then if your lucky you will find an office, good luck passing encryption. besides, if I found a wireless hotspot, why would I chalk it up? id just get all my friends to go download some warez.

P Ness
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Re: hardly useful

DUH...war chalking turned into WAR MAPPING....have you seen the free WISP maps on the web....

OMG...well some of them are not quite free, but failure to secure a Wireless connection.....easy free access
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Wired Magazine, says it all

You can bet your bottom dollar that anything that comes from the bullshit-scented pages of Wired magazine is a bucket of the world's finest dung.

Wired is a remnant of the dot-com orgasmania; where everyone used the word "HOT!" three times in a sentence and thought that anything digital would automatically take over the world.

I'm surprised it still exists; I imagine the office is filled with now aging hipsters in velvet pants wearing thick rimmed glasses scanning things with their cue cats and checking e-mail on their Netpliance i-Openers (unhacked, of course) to see the latest status on Ginger.

Warchalking maybe happens once in a while. In San Francisco, by people who still dial up to The Well. Otherwise, it's useless and another example of some cretin who thinks they've discovered TNBT(TM) (The Next Big Thing) and cries into his latte when he finds out he was dead wrong again.

I remember when I wrote a response to an article that Wired put out 2 years ago about DVHS (the Digital VCR). I remember saying that digital or not, people aren't going to want to pay $1200 for something they have to rewind and fast forward, use a big clunky tape, and had draconian copy protection when open DVD recorders were coming out and would be much cheaper.

The silk-shirt wearing corduroyed Wired "reporter" came back at me with a string of obscenities, telling me that I was "digitally dumb" and had no clue what I was talking about.. He was right, he had the inside scoop, DVHS would be "HOT" and would be a "DVD KILLER", and that was that.

Oh well. I think I'm going to go record a few shows on my $399 Panasonic DVD-R set top recorder, then go over to a friend's house and watch them over there on his $69 Apex.

Meanwhile, someone call me when some real news comes from Wired -- like when they close their doors.
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