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| Very nice of them! So nice of the EFF to help people break the law. 
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lazarus_
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech  :
So nice of the EFF to help people break the law.
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Maybe you should have read the whole article before typing this.. They arent telling people how to not get sued while still breaking the law...
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Make sure there are no potentially infringing files in your shared folder. This would ordinarily mean that your shared folder contains only files 1) that are in the public domain, 2) for which you have permission to share, or 3) that are made available under pro-sharing licenses, such as the Creative Commons license or other open media licenses, and
Remove all potentially misleading file names that might be confused with the name of an RIAA artist or song (e.g., "Usher" or "Madonna") from your shared folder.
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Disable the "sharing" or "uploading" features on your P2P application that allow other users on the network to get copies of files from your computer or scan any of your music directories. We hate this option, but it does appear that it will reduce your chances of becoming an RIAA target right now. For instructions on how to do this for particular applications, EFF suggests (but cannot guarantee) the following links: "
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by lazarus_ :
said by pianotech :
So nice of the EFF to help people break the law.
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Maybe you should have read the whole article before typing this.. They arent telling people how to not get sued while still breaking the law...
"Either:
Make sure there are no potentially infringing files in your shared folder. This would ordinarily mean that your shared folder contains only files 1) that are in the public domain, 2) for which you have permission to share, or 3) that are made available under pro-sharing licenses, such as the Creative Commons license or other open media licenses, and
Remove all potentially misleading file names that might be confused with the name of an RIAA artist or song (e.g., "Usher" or "Madonna") from your shared folder.
Or:
Disable the "sharing" or "uploading" features on your P2P application that allow other users on the network to get copies of files from your computer or scan any of your music directories. We hate this option, but it does appear that it will reduce your chances of becoming an RIAA target right now. For instructions on how to do this for particular applications, EFF suggests (but cannot guarantee) the following links: "
It it said "Make sure there are no infringing files on your computer," you would have a point. It said, however, "Make sure there are no infringing files on your shared folder. I see that as a distinct difference.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech :
If it said "Make sure there are no infringing files on your computer," you would have a point. It said, however, "Make sure there are no infringing files on your shared folder. I see that as a distinct difference.
Not really a distinct difference at all. You can have copywritten files on your computer. I have made mp3's of all my favorite songs in my CD collection. Nothing wrong with that. The RIAA is after people sharing copywritten works on P2P networks to what the EFF is saying is completely legitimate and is not promoting any copyright infringement.
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! It didn't say "copywritten files," it said "infringing files." I can have copywritten files on my computer and that are legally mine and not infringing. And it didn't say not to have infringing files on your computer, it said not to have infringing files in your shared folder.
Soooo...basically what they're saying is to keep infringing files away from where they can bee seen.
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| Re: Very nice of them! That's splitting hairs. I'm sure the terminology was meant for defining any files that would be considered copyright infringement if shared will be called infringing files. Copywritten... infringing... it's all the same to the RIAA. To the casual, non technical, reader it would take up a lot more text and time to explain the difference so I can understand why they still use the term infringing files. The focal point was about what you can or can't share online.
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pianotech
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New Castle, PA | Re: Very nice of them! I didn't see the words, "don't infringe" anywhere. Did you? | |
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech :
I didn't see the words, "don't infringe" anywhere. Did you?
Does it have to? It sounds like they are trying to give advice as objective as possible without taking any sides. These people aren't legal eagles who can word their articles to cover every little clause or detail that comes up. I know this because I use the EFF for when I wish to respond to legislation I don't agree with, and some of their form letter responses just don't do my stance justice.
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by ifarrell :
Perhaps you should be a Lawyer for the RIAA, they are obviously need narrow minded people like you.
Thanks for the suggestion, but musicians make lousy lawyers.
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| Re: Very nice of them! sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer.
Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular.
Why aren't they? Cuz the fucking record industry would rather say buy the whole cd, even though the rest of it is crap for the average 15 bucks.
There's no competition in this field either. Its not like record labels are going to price war with eachother, they banded together and charge the same avg price. Thats why there was a class action law suit against them which they LOST.
They're not offering any way for the consumer to justify the current price scheme.
Thats why there's people sharing these files, and sharing your music. If most of your music is crap, noone's gonna buy your damn cd, point blank. Thats how it should be too, its called competative advantage.
Just bs scare tactics by a company thats started their own death.
I really hope they realise that by sending out all those subpeona'a and screwing all those people like that, they're going to piss off a large amount of today's youth and they aren't going to buy the crap anymore.
You think this is going to make the people buy their cd's? Ha! The people getting sued, are going to tell their friend and family to stop, that the record industry can piss off.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by The Truth7 :
If most of your music is crap, noone's gonna buy your damn cd, point blank.
Here is where your argument fails: The fact that a particular piece of music is bought by many people and downloaded (legally or not) by many others is not an indication of the quality of the work. The difference between the shrink-wrapped CD from the store and the P2P-downloaded material is not that the CD is garbage and the d/l music is the greatest work of music ever recorded. The difference is that the CD is 90% garbage that the consumer doesn't want and the d/l music is 100% garbage that the consumer wants.
Okay, probably not 100% garbage, but this principle that "lots of people want it = high quality music" is simply not true. I mean, isn't that how RIAA labels have suckered all of us for years to begin with? "top 40" and "Platinum" and "Best selling" all of a sudden are the marks of quality? If music proves anything, it proves that different people have different tastes, and what's garbage to you is the most beautiful music to someone else. said by The Truth7 :
they're going to piss off a large amount of today's youth and they aren't going to buy the crap anymore.
While we're on the topic of "today's youth" and different musical tastes and garbage music and all that, I'm sure there's a few young folks out there who dig Jazz or classical music, but do you think you can find a lot of those kinds of music on an average day on Kazaa or any other P2P network? So if you can't find any Bach or Beethoven or Keith Jarrett or Charlie Mingus on P2P, does that mean they're garbage?
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| Re: Very nice of them! [QUOTE]While we're on the topic of "today's youth" and different musical tastes and garbage music and all that, I'm sure there's a few young folks out there who dig Jazz or classical music, but do you think you can find a lot of those kinds of music on an average day on Kazaa or any other P2P network? So if you can't find any Bach or Beethoven or Keith Jarrett or Charlie Mingus on P2P, does that mean they're garbage?
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by petecellar :
For what it's worth, there is a LOT of Jazz and Classical on P2P.
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pianotech
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| said by The Truth7 :
sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer.
Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular.
I agree with you 200%. A buck is actually the highest they should be. .75-99 cents would be about right.
That said, the artist deserves that 79-99 cents if the song is downloaded and kept.
I think the CD model has been dead for several years now except for classical works where you have entire symphonies.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech :
said by The Truth7 :
sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer.
Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular.
I agree with you 200%. A buck is actually the highest they should be. .75-99 cents would be about right.
That said, the artist deserves that 79-99 cents if the song is downloaded and kept.
I think the CD model has been dead for several years now except for classical works where you have entire symphonies.
So in your estimation that $0.75-$0.99 should go to the artist in addition to the royalties already charged on blank CD media that are there specifically to compensate the artists for supposed losses attributed to downloading? I'm sorry, my argument would be that I've already paid for that privilege via the up-front royalty fee. Additionally, there are many, many folks who never D/L music, and who only use the CDs to back up data, create family photo albums etc. These folks never receive a dime's of value from their royalty contribution. Why is it that you only see "theft" as a one-way venture?
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by wtansill :
said by pianotech :
said by The Truth7 :
sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer.
Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular.
I agree with you 200%. A buck is actually the highest they should be. .75-99 cents would be about right.
That said, the artist deserves that 79-99 cents if the song is downloaded and kept.
I think the CD model has been dead for several years now except for classical works where you have entire symphonies.
So in your estimation that $0.75-$0.99 should go to the artist in addition to the royalties already charged on blank CD media that are there specifically to compensate the artists for supposed losses attributed to downloading? I'm sorry, my argument would be that I've already paid for that privilege via the up-front royalty fee. Additionally, there are many, many folks who never D/L music, and who only use the CDs to back up data, create family photo albums etc. These folks never receive a dime's of value from their royalty contribution. Why is it that you only see "theft" as a one-way venture?
I don't see theft as a one-way venture, I see it as a two-way venture. Labels rip off consumers, and they rip off the artists. Furthermore, the "royalty" on blank cd's is wrong also, because as you said, people who use cdr's for things that have nothing to do with music are paying it. Plus, that is only distributed to major acts who have contracts with major labels (read, the RIAA), not independents like me.
So in consideration of everything I just said, why should I not receive 79-99 cents for a song? I'm independent, have no label, and could care less about the RIAA.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech :
I don't see theft as a one-way venture, I see it as a two-way venture. Labels rip off consumers, and they rip off the artists. Furthermore, the "royalty" on blank cd's is wrong also, because as you said, people who use cdr's for things that have nothing to do with music are paying it. Plus, that is only distributed to major acts who have contracts with major labels (read, the RIAA), not independents like me.
So in consideration of everything I just said, why should I not receive 79-99 cents for a song? I'm independent, have no label, and could care less about the RIAA.
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Ok, I'll bite. What genre of music do you produce? Where and how is it available? I frequent events such as Celtic festivals, Native American pow-wows, Renaissance Fairs, Irish Pubs (Seamus Kennedy is a favorite) and such, and purchase CDs at those events in direct support of the artists who produced the works. I've also purchased CDs or simply donated money to various street musicians (New Alburado, for instance, creates a blend of Chilean, Andean, and Peruvian music -- I ran into them performing live outside Luray Caverns, of all places!) If you have something I'm interested in and I can find it for purchase, I'll happily support your endeavors in exchange for a chance to enjoy the music. The one thing that these have in common though, is that I'm able to hear the music before I purchase it, so I know what I'm getting and whether I like it in advance.
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| I am betting that royalty charge on blank audio CD's doesn't go to any artist at all. I bet all of that money goes to the record label's coffers. It would be easy for them to legally keep the money as the artist cannot prove their music was going to be copied on these disks. However the label can say the money is helping the musician through funding the marketing and promotional costs. Of course this is all bunk, but on paper it looks all nice and legal.
So as far as the artist is concerned those blank audio disks do NOTHING to support them.
BTW wtansill not all blank CD's have that royalty surcharge. Only blank CD's marked as audio, and I seriously doubt people buy those to back up computer data.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by SRFireside :
BTW wtansill not all blank CD's have that royalty surcharge. Only blank CD's marked as audio, and I seriously doubt people buy those to back up computer data.
A good point. Frankly, I but the discount CDs 50-100 to a spindle. I've not explicitly checked the see if they were "Audio" CDs or not. That said, I've used them to back up audio CDs for use in my wife's van, the CD player in my machine at work, etc. with no issues. I'm guessing that the public at large does not make the distinction either -- they see a spindle of CDs on the shelf at CompUSA, for instance, and add them to their cart, "Audio" or not...
Regardless of the above -- if you produce music of a genre I like, and it is easily available outside the clutches of the RIAA, I'll certainly consider buying it. You too are a musician, yes?
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| Re: Very nice of them! My bet is people get the data CD's since they are cheaper. Only the ones who don't know the difference would buy the audio blanks.
Yes I am a musician, but don't have an album produced at this time (long story). I do have a mess of work-in-progress songs I have no issues sharing. I suppose you can say it's mostly electronica with some ambient music thrown in. Though I do play around with various other styles of music.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by SRFireside :
My bet is people get the data CD's since they are cheaper. Only the ones who don't know the difference would buy the audio blanks.
Yes I am a musician, but don't have an album produced at this time (long story). I do have a mess of work-in-progress songs I have no issues sharing. I suppose you can say it's mostly electronica with some ambient music thrown in. Though I do play around with various other styles of music.
Any possibility of hearing any of it? I just clicked the link on PianoTech's response and wound up at MP3.com. Wife's out of town with the credit card (long story here too  ), but having sampled the available tracks from "Tranquility", I intend to purchase the CD as soon as I get access to the card. I'd *prefer* to purchase directly if possible though -- I'm one of those Luddites who doesn't much care for online shopping <sigh>
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SRFireside
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| Re: Very nice of them! Aside from finding the artist name I go under (The Human Race) on KazaA the only other way, and likely best way since I hardly use P2P these days, would be a direct file transfer via AIM, ICQ, email or whatever else is out there. I don't have an ftp server set up. Like I said before I am not heavily promoting so I have no excuse for not making money on my music. I do have a PayPal account though if any music lovers want to contribute .
If seriously interested in hearing some stuff send me a private message and we can work out the details.
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! Ncc 1701,
Thanks for the listen and for the kind words.
Fireside,
Count me in as well...I'd love to hear your stuff. Let me know how to make it happen.
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New Castle, PA | Re: Very nice of them! I gotta tell ya, you guys are making me rethink.. | |
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pianotech
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| said by SRFireside :
I am betting that royalty charge on blank audio CD's doesn't go to any artist at all. I bet all of that money goes to the record label's coffers. It would be easy for them to legally keep the money as the artist cannot prove their music was going to be copied on these disks. However the label can say the money is helping the musician through funding the marketing and promotional costs. Of course this is all bunk, but on paper it looks all nice and legal.
So as far as the artist is concerned those blank audio disks do NOTHING to support them.
You are absolutely right, and I highly doubt those so-called "royalties" are distributed to any artists also. The RIAA has a long history of screwing the artists AND the consumer (like the recent price-fixing case that was settled), and that's just another example of it.
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! Speaking of the RIAA screwing artists, you all know how Buddy Holly was killed in a plane crash...but did you know why he was in the plane in the first place? Because he was broke and had to do the Winter Dance Party to support himself and his new bride. The kicker...he already had a string of top-10 hits, his label had made millions...and he was still broke! So the rest is history...charter a cheap private plane, organize a tour, and blam.
Same with Jim Croce. Though he had two platinum albums and a string of top-10 hits in the 70's, he also was broke. ABC Records had already made millions, but not a cent of it had been distributed to him yet. Same circumstances as with Holly, he put together a tour as cheaply as he could since he couldn't afford better, chartered a cheap, rickety private plane, ...end of Croce.
Just two examples of the recording industry ripping off established, prestigious, profitable acts. There are many more, I'm sure.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech :
Speaking of the RIAA screwing artists, you all know how Buddy Holly was killed in a plane crash...but did you know why he was in the plane in the first place? Because he was broke and had to do the Winter Dance Party to support himself and his new bride. The kicker...he already had a string of top-10 hits, his label had made millions...and he was still broke! So the rest is history...charter a cheap private plane, organize a tour, and blam.
Same with Jim Croce. Though he had two platinum albums and a string of top-10 hits in the 70's, he also was broke. ABC Records had already made millions, but not a cent of it had been distributed to him yet. Same circumstances as with Holly, he put together a tour as cheaply as he could since he couldn't afford better, chartered a cheap, rickety private plane, ...end of Croce.
Just two examples of the recording industry ripping off established, prestigious, profitable acts. There are many more, I'm sure.
I'm definitely not a RIAA fan. But don't blame the lables for creating contracts that benefit only themselves, because a contract needs to be signed by both parties to be valid.
So if someone signs a crappy contract, they should not complain that it's crappy -- because they signed it. If they didn't read what they signed, shame on them. If they read it and liked the potential for a lot of money, but ignored the possible downsides, then double shame on them.
If artists (and I use the term loosely) don't like labels, they should not sign with a label. It's harder to get "screwed over" if you haven't signed on the dotted line for anyone.
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pianotech
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| Re: Very nice of them! I understand what you're saying, but practically speaking, the labels had (still have, in many ways) complete control over distribution. Without them you didn't have a chance. Yes, the artists signed the labels and had to know what they were getting into, but I'm sure there was a decent share of the proverbial carrot-dangling in front of them too.
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| Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech :
I understand what you're saying, but practically speaking, the labels had (still have, in many ways) complete control over distribution. Without them you didn't have a chance. Yes, the artists signed the labels and had to know what they were getting into, but I'm sure there was a decent share of the proverbial carrot-dangling in front of them too.
Agreed. It is one of "those things", as they say.
The only reason I said that is because I think it is important that everyone keep a realistic approach to this issue. Too many people just want to bash the RIAA; and while most of it is warranted, some folks just bash because they've grown used to doing it.
Many professions, few so glamorous as musician, place folks in a similar predicament.
For instance, taxi driver. Most major metropolitan areas require "medallions" (licenses) for a cab to be legal in the most congested areas (like Wall Street or 5th ave or Chicago's Loop / Michigan Ave). For a regular sedan, these often cost over $250,000 per vehicle. So while there is no rule preventing an independent operator from having his own cab, every driver pretty much has to join a company in order to be able to afford it. (And in some cases they are then indebted to the company.)
However, in outlying areas, the medallions are often cheaper, allowing an operator to get into the business. They aren't in a high impact area where they can make tons of money on a consistent basis, but at least they get into the business. So they get paid - just not as much as potential might indicate.
Now, I know driving a taxi is different than playing music. And I've simplified the whole licensing process. But it's an interesting comparison.
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| I too am a musician. I have very little interest in Hip-hop, crap, whoops I mean Rap. What I want to see is catalogues put online, Kay Kaiser, Jackie Gleason, and other of the big band area. The original performances of Doo-whop done by the black bands, not the rip-off white covers. Music that has been buried because of PC considerations, war time music such as Andrew's Sister's "Your a Sap Mr. Jap"
This is what I want. This is what I looked for P2P, stuff which hadn't been published for decades.
The Movie industry fought the VCR tooth and nail but then they found out their vast vaults filled with old movies suddenly where worth a bunch of money. So now you can get such cinematic jewels and "Biker chicks", Nudist Camp on the Moon, "It Came From The Future", Santa Claus defeats the Martians (this my be the worst movie ever made) movies that are so bad, they are a scream to watch.
This is what I want to have in music, access to all the which has been recorded in one format or another, piano rolls, on wax, on wire, on the optical tracks of film in the early 30's. etc. Make it available in a subscription format with unlimited down loads. I am not talking about new releases, I am talking about stuff that hasn't been heard in decades. My tastes in music are very eclectic. I can and do groove out on John Philip Sousa. I have played much of his catalogue with my first love in low brass the Euphonium, or big band music on my second love the Trombone. I love playing and listening to early brass choir music written in Henry VIII's time, playing it with original instrumentation. Is this to much to ask.
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| Re: Very nice of them! I believe Rhino Records has secured a lot of classic songs on their catalog and sell CD's for a mess of them. Since each label seems to decide whether or not to release this stuff maybe you should send the suggestion to Rhino. Of all the record labels out there they seem to be more geared towards what their fans want.
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| Re: Very nice of them! I am still fairly young. I'll be 29 next month. And I do listen to a lot of the popular music that is being pushed these days. And some of it is pretty good, but a lot of it does suck bad.
I played the violin in high school, and developed an appreciation for music. And I listen to all kinds of music. Including country, classical, jazz, techno, rap, r&b, classic rock and roll, etc. I like them all for different reasons.
I also have no problems with paying someone for my appreciation of their efforts. I still buy music CDs, but only for things that I can confirm that I'm not wasting my money on. The latest was an album by Coldplay that has the song from the Spiderman movie on it. And my wife and I will see them in concert the next time they are near. I borrowed the CD from my brother-in-law. Word of mouth is a powerful tool.
BTW - I'm also interested in hearing some of your music SRFireside and PianoTech. I'll be in touch
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Cheyenne, WY | RE: but musicians make lousy lawyers
No truer words spoken. If a musician's had any knowledge of contract law they wouldn't sign the contracts they do
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Kaltes
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Los Angeles, CA
| ""And it didn't say not to have infringing files on your computer, it said not to have infringing files in your shared folder.""
- HELLO! What is on the _REST_ of your hard drive is not relevant to the topic of the EFF webpage in question. Now you are crying because the EFF did not lecture readers about how copyright infringement is wrong and they should never engage in it in any form whether by sharing on p2p or elsewhere in their computers?? Excuse them for assuming they were dealing with a sophisticated audience!
- The other angle to your stupidity emerges once you realize the fact that ripping your music to your hard drive is not infringement. If you download files using p2p they download to a folder that is *gasp* shared as well, meaning that the EFFs advice to keep infringing files out of your shared folder is not synonymous with "Once you dl infringing songs move them out of your shared folder fast like a good leech so you don't get caught!" which is how you read it, because you are biased and generally incapable of putting 2 and 2 together.
Hey piano, it is about time you just admitted that you aren't all that great and stopped blaming your lack of success on everyone else. This is called 'denial'. Get help. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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Merrimack, NH
| said by pianotech :
So nice of the EFF to help people break the law.
Now then, now then, you know better than that. Here's a more complete quote from the "how not to get sued" link:
"Make sure there are no potentially infringing files in your shared folder. This would ordinarily mean that your shared folder contains only files 1) that are in the public domain, 2) for which you have permission to share, or 3) that are made available under pro-sharing licenses, etc..."
Note that they're not talking about infringing files but "potentially infringing" files, and that could very well include the stuff you bought and own legally. So saying "make sure you have no potentially infringing files on your computer" would have been overboard, as there are some 20 Mb worth of recordings that I own on my computer (and I don't even have a shared folder since I don't use P2P at all).
As to helping people break the law:
Do you implicitly trust the RIAA to only prosecute people with enough solid evidence that they may have infringed, or do you think they will just throw their weight around to intimidate as many people as possible? Looking at "potentially" above and at how American Citizens have been held in jail for months without seeing a lawyer, and without being charged with anything, because they happen to be brownish and have a funny religion, I don't think this is a climate where I can put my trust in the RIAA and accept that if they see what looks like smoke to them, there's got to be a fire. Many, many perfectly innocent people are going to get caught in this subpoena-fest.
Now given that a subpoena, once filed, becomes a matter of public records, and innocent people are not going to travel to every city in which such a subpoena was filed, the EFF steps in and scans your user name for you against a database of PUBLIC records. Not only is there nothing immoral, sinister or illegal in that, it's a great service that they didn't have to offer, and they deserve to be applauded for that.
I went to their page, entered the user names that I use most often, and they all turned out clean. This time. I'm not paranoid, but I don't feel relieved either. | |
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join:2003-05-16
Cathedral City, CA
| Maybe its a sting operation setup by the RIAA..
By looking up your name, aren't you admitting to filesharing?
Couldn't the RIAA subpoena the names, from this site, as evidence of admission of guilt?
Seems to me that filesharing is no different than recording off the radio or TV. As long as you don't profit from those recordings.....
Didn't the RIAA or someone have the same reaction when the VHS/Beta recorders came out?
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| I equate the music industry to wrestling. And the RIAA is the management. They are the kings of the promotion and distribution. If they want you to be big, they will market you to be big. Yeah, there is some requirement of the people to accept the bands that they promote. That is why you are seeing so many of these manufactured groups that end up failing. But at first, they are said to be the hottest thing around. People buy into it.
In wrestling, they write out the story to play the emotions of the people. They already know who is going to win, but they market the show as though they don't. It is all about selling the show, even though 80% is fluff without action. And unless you are affiliated with the WWE, you are pretty much a nobody.
Music is very much the same. Market to your target audience. Sell them on the best parts of the album, or concert, or whatever, and hope that too many people aren't disappointed with the rest. And unless you are affiliated with the RIAA, you are pretty much a nobody.
Some artists see the RIAA as their only shot for real fame. And this is why they sign. The RIAA is merely a legal monopoly on the marketing and sales of music.
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DataRiker
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Metairie, LA
clubs: | * please provide catchy title If i get sued i will kick one of those stupid riaa lawyers right in the nuts. | |
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DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs: | "How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA" here is the real guide:
drive to the nearest coffee shop with public internet, don't even have to go in. connect and share on a full T-1. | |
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mystery45
join:2001-06-13
Titusville, FL | more jobs what are they going to arrest 6.1 million people? well bright side there would be more job openings | |
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@fuse.net | Re: Still saying. Restrict your downloads to porn. That industry doesn't seem to mind!
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Kaltes
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join:2002-12-04
Los Angeles, CA
| Re: And, on a conciliatory note... I'm happy to see that you've softened a bit since the early days of ripping on the moral values of p2p users. The truth is that no one knows the true extent of p2p, however it has been going strong for several years and the prophecies of doom shouted by the RIAA and others since the early days of Napster have not come to pass.
Sometimes people who are familiar and comfortable with the way things used to be fear change and innovation, because of the uncertainty it brings. It is one thing to be apprehensive about the possible future impacts of p2p, and quite another to become a zealous and committed enemy of p2p technology given the paucity of evidence available to support such convictions.
To all the scared artists out there, just adopt the 'wait and see' approach instead of acting out of irrational fear, and you will understand in time that your fears have no basis. | |
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pianotech
Pianotech
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join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA
| Re: And, on a conciliatory note... Kaltes,
I agree with you that the prophecies of doom are most likely premature.
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL
|  Product is too expensive
We face wage slavery until we get a regime change in the united states. Until we get the restoration of proper wages to American workers, I simply cant justify the massive expenditures demanded by the parasitic suits at the riaa for twenty five sh*t tracks and one fair one..
so if I MUST buy a disk, say to replace an LP that has - in spite of cassette backup- seen its last day it's swapped or used.
There will be NO new disks bought until the parasitic suits of the RIAA have gone into history's rag bag. | |
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ramsfansam
join:2002-08-27
Springfield, MO
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| My files are shared I share SOME of my files...the pics of me & my kids, so my in-laws can download them; My opinions of Dubya (all negative); and some stories I have written....if they don't want me to share this stuff, they can kiss my ass! I own the stuff, I can give it to whoever I choose. If the RIAA keeps on, they will try to stop this too. RIAA, get a clue....you are only screwing yourselves. Get a life. Try conducting business in a fair, legitimate way, and you will find that sales will increase. File sharing can be good for business. Lawsuits only make you look like little scared wimps who have to run to mommy for protection. If you are wondering why your CD sales have dropped, I can tell you in one word...GREED.
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Nanoprobe
Wandering in subspace
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join:2003-05-11
Crab Nebula
clubs: | Re: My files are shared Make that 2 words,Greed & 90% of the music sux. | |
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ramsfansam
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Springfield, MO | Re: My files are shared OK, I have to concede that to you. You're right on that. | |
| petecellar
join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA
| As a musician Pianotech keeps bringing this up..
I am a musician as well.
Don't get me wrong, nothing galls me more then punk-a$$ kids saying "why pay for what you can get for free", despite pleas from people like me saying "support the acts you like".
I personally feel that myself and many fellow artists I know that are extremely talented have been buried by the current music industry. It is a corrupt business and you know it. I'm in favor of more artists having more control, which means at least partially de-constructing the current model and probably sacrificing many careers.
I sacrificed mine. Music wasn't paying the bills and the contracts that my band(s) were offered were like being raped, but for years! And the indie labels say, here's a van , now hit the road and push your album and give us what we fronted. It really isn't worth the sacrifice.
So what happens is, smarter or older people give up trying to make music for a living and the market gets flooded with intellectual bottom feeders. Not good for the future of our craft IMO.
But I digress. I believe my original point had to do with your playing devil's advocate for the RIAA when you try to make it a black and white issue. | |
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pianotech
Pianotech
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join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA
| eMusic Anyone using this site? I'm thinking of doing the free trial to check it out. Buymusic.com is nice because there is no subscription fee, but the licensing on some of the tracks is overly-restrictive. My biggest gripe is the tracks that have limits on how many times you can transfer a song to an mp3 player. Wtf?? It's not like you can copy it that way. You keep your music collection around forever...why should a song expire from a certain device after you've paid for it?
So anyway, just wondered if anyone is using eMusic and what they thought.
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pianotech
Pianotech
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New Castle, PA | Re: eMusic Doing a free trial of eMusic right now. It rocks. | |
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