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clubs: | Uhm, I am all For Iraqi Freedom... But, how can we officer cellular phone contracts in a foreign country?
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| Re: Uhm, I am all For Iraqi Freedom... said by Safron  :
But, how can we officer cellular phone contracts in a foreign country?
Isn't that up to the foreign country?
You forget, they are a conquered country. Unlike the *old* days in that area, we no longer kill off all the people, but instead impose economic benefits (to 'us') upon them. Both the democrats and republicans have masters that must be appeased if the campaign contributions are to be kept up, and appeasing they are doing.
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clubs: | still haven't decided on gsm?! what the hell... the gsm vs cdma debate is still up in the air? i can't believe we would even think or forcing cdma on those people.
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join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | CDMA is still superior, but not that widespread. The only reason I can see them using GSM is because their neighbors (and Israel) use GSM. | |
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| Re: still haven't decided on gsm?! said by Eat Me :
CDMA is still superior, but not that widespread. The only reason I can see them using GSM is because their neighbors (and Israel) use GSM.
That alone should be the defining marketing tactic for the CDMA standard. It doesn't matter if the former is a superior standard (I'm not sure, just posing an example); anything associated with Jews in Iraq is villified and despised in Iraq, which is unfortunate illogical reasoning.
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| Re: still haven't decided on gsm?! quote:
That alone should be the defining marketing tactic for the CDMA standard. It doesn't matter if the former is a superior standard (I'm not sure, just posing an example); anything associated with Jews in Iraq is villified and despised in Iraq, which is unfortunate illogical reasoning.
Well firstly, one provider I know of in Israel is using CDMA, so that doesn't matter.
Secondly, deploying CDMA now makes sense, because the next generation of GSM is going to be based on CDMA. The current GSM networks are based on the old TDMA standard.
This would mean a simple software upgrade for current CDMA networks, whereas old TDMA based GSM networks will have to upgrade alot more, including transmitters and receivers (because CDMA is spread spectrum technology, TDMA is not).
By the way, GSM was developed by Europeans, mainly the French. Would you rather have French technology controlling cell phones in Iraq, since we gave them a big "F-you" before the war?  j/k
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| Re: still haven't decided on gsm?! Rest assured, if it becomes reknown that Israel Telecom companies use both standards, no cellphones will be mass adopted in Iraq
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Richboro, PA | Actually there are multiple cell phone providers in Israel. Some use GSM, another uses IDEN (like Nextel here) and Pelephone uses CDMA. | |
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| T-mobile/Vodaphone Vodaphone owns 50% of Verizon, Tmobile also is in Europe. Docomo owns 15% of ATT wirelss. Many outside companies do business in the US.
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join:2001-08-08
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|  Re: T-mobile/Vodaphone
In any case look for CDMA to be installed over in Iraq. Even though no one in that region uses that technology. You can bet Qualcomm will have their hand in the bidding.
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New Jersey | Re: T-mobile/Vodaphone Very Right my friend. I heard Vodaphone may dump Verizon as early as next yr. So we may see a GSM Verizon. | |
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Sussex, NJ | Re: T-mobile/Vodaphone Staying away from GSM is one of the reasons I'm with Verizon...
The next set of standards will be based on CDMA. Why go backwards? | |
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| Re: T-mobile/Vodaphone 3GSM uses a CDMA air interface. Current GSM uses a TDMA (not related to IS-136, what most people call "TDMA") It just just the air interface, not the network architecture, and this is where GSM is far supieror, it has a much better feature set. Try that with CDMA, its not going to happen.
said by Eat Me :
Staying away from GSM is one of the reasons I'm with Verizon...
The next set of standards will be based on CDMA. Why go backwards?
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Valencia, CA | Re: T-mobile/Vodaphone So does Nortel | |
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: T-mobile/Vodaphone I don't think the average Iraqi citizen is going to give a hoot about what standard is used as long as it works. I don't expect many of them will even know.
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| Hee's a thought. Just a thought, but how about instead of providing essential stuff like cell phones and internet. Why don't we give them electricity and running water. I think the lack of things like that are what's causing all the animosity over there. I mean I'm all for opening up communication and all, but I think I could survive without internet and my cell phone. I don't think I'd like to live without power and water for too long. Just my opinion though.
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| Re: Hee's a thought. said by frankenfeet :
Just a thought, but how about instead of providing essential stuff like cell phones and internet. Why don't we give them electricity and running water. I think the lack of things like that are what's causing all the animosity over there. I mean I'm all for opening up communication and all, but I think I could survive without internet and my cell phone. I don't think I'd like to live without power and water for too long. Just my opinion though.
I thought they already got all that stuff working. I mean, Iraq is hardly a third world country, so all they would need to do is repair the existing, damaged infrastructure. If that hasn't been done already, then the US has failed at rebuilding Iraq.
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| Re: Here's a thought. I don't know about the water, but according to NPR program, even at full pre-war electrical generation production, it is only 2/3 of the power needed. The infrastructureneeds to be expanded and not just repaired.
The telecommunication was also intentionally hit hard during the war. It may be simplier and quicker to install a wireless system rather than sort through, test and repair all the current wired lines. | |
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Believe me they are working on the electric power grid.
But what they have is a mess. Mixed Chinese, French, German, and US equipment all in bad repair. It isn't really a matter of repair but replacement. Thank God Bechtel is doing the work they have vast experience, and the resources to handle this sort of thing.
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| So, have they started filling in those bomb craters and rebuilding the bridges they blew up too?
You know... if we really wanted to win over the people we would just give them reality television and fluffy newscasts, thatll keep em comatose for the next millenium. | |
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join:2002-05-10
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clubs: | They better... be getting GSM service over there! | |
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join:2002-01-15
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join:2001-03-30
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clubs: | F 'em A few H-bombs would take care of the whole mess....which is what should have been done in the first place. | |
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join:2001-10-25
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join:2001-12-01
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Waving his miniature American flag while he destroys the country it once stood for. How typical.
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Cleveland, OH | Re: F 'em Thats funny it sounds like you disagree with him.
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| The British are coming... One must realize that IRAQ is now a state that will require FULL attention globally to prevent the chaos from spreading through the region, or worse, globally. There are other areas Like this, such as Afghanistan & Yugoslavia that also must be monitored.
Say... When we turned against our British counterpart wouldn't that be considered high treason? Oh wait, I forgot, we won that war, which means we make the rules. A similar guideline is established for the above mentioned locales, Only it's a global problem now. Not just an isolated one.
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join:2003-04-02
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| They decide on Cdma They decide on Cdma many Months ago.
They made that choice on a push from Qualcomm who hold the patents on CDMA.
I have Alltel who uses CDMA for their cellphone service.
Get a grip people who cares which tech is used may it be TDMA,GSM,CDMA or the like as long as it works.
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join:2001-06-20
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join:2000-12-30
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| Yes, lets give them cell phones .. .. so they can better manage their daily attacks on our troups.
Total idiots.
Then again, if they monitor the phones well enough theey may be able to then figure out who's where and who's talking about what.
We'll just have to see if this bites them in the ass or if they've learned a fucking thing since 9/11.
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