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But, how can we officer cellular phone contracts in a foreign country?
Isn't that up to the foreign country?

said by Safron:

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But, how can we officer cellular phone contracts in a foreign country?
Isn't that up to the foreign country?

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You forget, they are a conquered country. Unlike the *old* days in that area, we no longer kill off all the people, but instead impose economic benefits (to 'us') upon them. Both the democrats and republicans have masters that must be appeased if the campaign contributions are to be kept up, and appeasing they are doing.

said by Safron:

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But, how can we officer cellular phone contracts in a foreign country?
Isn't that up to the foreign country?

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Because until a new government is installed, Iraq is basically the 51st state of the Union!

what the hell... the gsm vs cdma debate is still up in the air? i can't believe we would even think or forcing cdma on those people.

cdma is out in more places than many seem to realise.
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It may not be the 'best' technology, (they'll all evolve anyways), but it is the largest, especially in Europe

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»www.gsmworld.com/roaming ··· ex.shtml

»www.gsmworld.com
No. of Countries/Areas with GSM System (May 2003) - 197 more on this...

GSM Total Subscribers - 863.6 million (end May 2003) more on this...
SMS messages sent per month - 24 Billion more on this...
SMS forecast for 2002 - 360 Billion
GSM accounts for 72.0% of the World's digital market and 70.0% of the World's wireless market

CDMA is still superior, but not that widespread. The only reason I can see them using GSM is because their neighbors (and Israel) use GSM.

said by fifty nine:

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CDMA is still superior, but not that widespread. The only reason I can see them using GSM is because their neighbors (and Israel) use GSM.

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That alone should be the defining marketing tactic for the CDMA standard. It doesn't matter if the former is a superior standard (I'm not sure, just posing an example); anything associated with Jews in Iraq is villified and despised in Iraq, which is unfortunate illogical reasoning.

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That alone should be the defining marketing tactic for the CDMA standard. It doesn't matter if the former is a superior standard (I'm not sure, just posing an example); anything associated with Jews in Iraq is villified and despised in Iraq, which is unfortunate illogical reasoning.

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Well firstly, one provider I know of in Israel is using CDMA, so that doesn't matter.

Secondly, deploying CDMA now makes sense, because the next generation of GSM is going to be based on CDMA. The current GSM networks are based on the old TDMA standard.

This would mean a simple software upgrade for current CDMA networks, whereas old TDMA based GSM networks will have to upgrade alot more, including transmitters and receivers (because CDMA is spread spectrum technology, TDMA is not).

By the way, GSM was developed by Europeans, mainly the French. Would you rather have French technology controlling cell phones in Iraq, since we gave them a big "F-you" before the war? j/k
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Rest assured, if it becomes reknown that Israel Telecom companies use both standards, no cellphones will be mass adopted in Iraq

said by lt_wentoncha:

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Rest assured, if it becomes reknown that Israel Telecom companies use both standards, no cellphones will be mass adopted in Iraq

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eh. they will choose the lesser of the two evils. usa or israel?

Actually there are multiple cell phone providers in Israel. Some use GSM, another uses IDEN (like Nextel here) and Pelephone uses CDMA.

said by Xela18954:

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Actually there are multiple cell phone providers in Israel. Some use GSM, another uses IDEN (like Nextel here) and Pelephone uses CDMA.

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The next gen of IDEN I believe is GSM-like, judging from what NEXTEL uses here.

Vodaphone owns 50% of Verizon, Tmobile also is in Europe. Docomo owns 15% of ATT wirelss. Many outside companies do business in the US.

Vodaphone does not own 50% of Verizon. They own 49% of Verizon Wireless. That little 1% makes all the difference. If they owned more VW would be selling GSM here in the states rather than CDMA.

In any case look for CDMA to be installed over in Iraq. Even though no one in that region uses that technology. You can bet Qualcomm will have their hand in the bidding.

Chow.

Very Right my friend. I heard Vodaphone may dump Verizon as early as next yr. So we may see a GSM Verizon.

Staying away from GSM is one of the reasons I'm with Verizon...

The next set of standards will be based on CDMA. Why go backwards?

3GSM uses a CDMA air interface. Current GSM uses a TDMA (not related to IS-136, what most people call "TDMA") It just just the air interface, not the network architecture, and this is where GSM is far supieror, it has a much better feature set. Try that with CDMA, its not going to happen.

said by fifty nine:

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Staying away from GSM is one of the reasons I'm with Verizon...

The next set of standards will be based on CDMA. Why go backwards?

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Why does everyone forget Motorola? The manufacture GSM equipment and they are American.

So does Nortel

Vodafone owns 30 or 33% of Verizon Wireless, not Verizon per se. Vodafone outbid VZ (then called BA) for ownership of AirTouch, then merged the two into a joint venture (VZW).

I doubt CDMA will get anywhere in Iraq. That part of the world is almost entirely GSM (Israel's diverse networks notwithstanding). Imposing CDMA, even though it's technically superior, would be viewed as extreme colonialism.

I don't think the average Iraqi citizen is going to give a hoot about what standard is used as long as it works. I don't expect many of them will even know.

Vodaphone is TRYING to be the great leading of cellphones in the world. But the sad facts is they are over priced with little or no thought about its users. With the amount of money they spend on ads and sporting events F1 and soccer. It`s no wonder they are now the highest costing cellphone operations in the world.......BTW their lines are so sucks!

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Imposing CDMA, even though it's technically superior, would be viewed as extreme colonialism.

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Or it could be seen as future proofing.

Future versions of the GSM standard are going to be based on CDMA.

And they Vodaphone is the single worse cellphone company in the world ! Their prices are god high! BLUCH!

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Just a thought, but how about instead of providing essential stuff like cell phones and internet. Why don't we give them electricity and running water. I think the lack of things like that are what's causing all the animosity over there. I mean I'm all for opening up communication and all, but I think I could survive without internet and my cell phone. I don't think I'd like to live without power and water for too long. Just my opinion though.

said by frankenfeet:

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Just a thought, but how about instead of providing essential stuff like cell phones and internet. Why don't we give them electricity and running water. I think the lack of things like that are what's causing all the animosity over there. I mean I'm all for opening up communication and all, but I think I could survive without internet and my cell phone. I don't think I'd like to live without power and water for too long. Just my opinion though.

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I thought they already got all that stuff working. I mean, Iraq is hardly a third world country, so all they would need to do is repair the existing, damaged infrastructure. If that hasn't been done already, then the US has failed at rebuilding Iraq.

said by alex4life:

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If that hasn't been done already, then the US has failed at rebuilding Iraq.

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bingo

I don't know about the water, but according to NPR program, even at full pre-war electrical generation production, it is only 2/3 of the power needed. The infrastructureneeds to be expanded and not just repaired.

The telecommunication was also intentionally hit hard during the war. It may be simplier and quicker to install a wireless system rather than sort through, test and repair all the current wired lines.

Believe me they are working on the electric power grid.
But what they have is a mess. Mixed Chinese, French, German, and US equipment all in bad repair. It isn't really a matter of repair but replacement. Thank God Bechtel is doing the work they have vast experience, and the resources to handle this sort of thing.

So, have they started filling in those bomb craters and rebuilding the bridges they blew up too?

You know... if we really wanted to win over the people we would just give them reality television and fluffy newscasts, thatll keep em comatose for the next millenium.

be getting GSM service over there!

I can see it now "Freedom Phone"!AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

A few H-bombs would take care of the whole mess....which is what should have been done in the first place.

One must realize that IRAQ is now a state that will require FULL attention globally to prevent the chaos from spreading through the region, or worse, globally. There are other areas Like this, such as Afghanistan & Yugoslavia that also must be monitored.

Say... When we turned against our British counterpart wouldn't that be considered high treason? Oh wait, I forgot, we won that war, which means we make the rules. A similar guideline is established for the above mentioned locales, Only it's a global problem now. Not just an isolated one.

ctceo

They decide on Cdma many Months ago.
They made that choice on a push from Qualcomm who hold the patents on CDMA.
I have Alltel who uses CDMA for their cellphone service.
Get a grip people who cares which tech is used may it be TDMA,GSM,CDMA or the like as long as it works.

Right now I think the average Iraqi wouldn't kick at two cans and with a tight string connecting them.

I don't think so... GSM appears to be the choice

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.. so they can better manage their daily attacks on our troups.

Total idiots.

Then again, if they monitor the phones well enough theey may be able to then figure out who's where and who's talking about what.

We'll just have to see if this bites them in the ass or if they've learned a fucking thing since 9/11.
The stupidity of government only matches that of large companies. Hoping they realize the potential results of this...

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Yes, lets give them cell phones ..
.. so they can better manage their daily attacks on our troups.

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If I recall correctly, our troops were never wanted in their country in the first place. Now that we've taken out Saddam, the fundamentalists just want us to leave so that they can beat their heads bloody with swords and create another anti-Israel theocracy.