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join:2001-01-30
Holland, MI
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| Good start, but... This isn't going to fix this issue, mostly because many "free" products are bundled with spyware so that they do not function if the spyware is disabled.
Plus, the average user is used to clicking YES to get stuff. So even if something "conspicuous" pops up and asks the average user if it's ok to install something, that average user will probably just say yes. Look at the taskbar or tray of the average user, it's LOADED with junk.
If you absolutely need to use a product bundled with spyware, make sure that your personal firewall blocks access of that spyware to the internet. Then completely remove that product when you are done with it.
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sapo
The Internet is Down
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join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA
| Re: Good start, but... said by TheMadSwede  :
Look at the taskbar or tray of the average user, it's LOADED with junk.
Damn thats so true.
all my friends are computer illeterate and I do them a favor when I get to their house. Clean up their start up files and delete all the spyware.
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join:2003-07-11
Monterey Park, CA | Re: Good start, but... I hear that. One of the first things I do when using a friend’s comp is run msconfig and regedit. | |
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ObdH
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join:2003-06-11
| actually even illiterate computer users dont 'click yes to everything'
i use programs ripped that have viruses in them, spyware, and just about everything bad, simply running adaware and spysweeper, and a anti virus will take care of almost all of it
spyware isnt the end of the world, its not like its a knife in your neck
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@attbi.com | I have a 2 gig pc with 512 memory, I WANT alot of junk. Load it up, thats why I buy powerful pcs, we aren't in a 386 world anymore. | |
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Hangmn
Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
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join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA
| Too Little... Albeit a "noble" idea, it is utterly useless. All a software company would do is move the operation offshore and the legislation is rendered useless.
I believe that a new company in order to reap maximum funding, would do this is a heartbeat. Considering the current trend in IT.
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
| Mary didn't consider "offshore" spyware! Let's continue to try legislate the world thinking it's solely an American thing. The lack of understanding by legislators continues.
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join:2001-08-09
Houston, TX
| Re: Mary didn't consider "offshore" spyware! said by sbrook :
The lack of understanding by legislators continues.
What other options does a legislator have? By definition, they address problems through enacting legislation.
Besides, if software companies that use spyware all re-locate offshore, wouldn't that give people a legitimate reason to "buy American"?
Even if it is not a total fix, it seems at least one step in a positive direction.
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Mary didn't consider "offshore" spyware! Yeah ... but sometimes they think that legislation is the only way to solve problems. The thing that they need to do is say "We can't fix this by legislation". | |
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| yea well, the end of the world... not too near with george bush as the president, maybe she doesnt have her head up her ass as high as you think. | |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| Re: yea well, If "free" software contains privacy breaking spyware, then it's not really free, now is it?
It's usually only the "free" software that has this garbage anyways. You might as well just get off your wallet and spend the money for the real version, minus the software before someone gets your information off the spyware and spends your money for you anyways.
This is a noble effort. Heck, this is the first effort. At least SOMEONE is finally recognizing that this stuff is a PITA and is trying to do something about it. All you guys have done so far is complain about the spyware, then complain about the attempts to fix it. If you want to stop it, add to the help. Contact people, tell them why it won't work and what they can do to make it better.
Sitting here whinning about it, and linking any form of propoganda you can find to our government and Bush is not being part of the solution, it's being part of the problem. Big brother is not out to get you with every piece of legislation. If Big brother wanted you, you'd be his already.
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join:2003-07-30
Chicago, IL
| Re: yea well, If your complaining about such a lil thing as free software giving those spyware crap, its obviously theres something wrong with either your pocket that doesnt have any money or you nothing of downloading the software for free and not receive that spyware. hmmmm I am wondering ppl do know about things such as kazaa or bearshare...I hope if so download those software and then find the software you are looking for and get for free if you are insecure of doing that then get ur ass a better job and buy the product. have a great day bye! | |
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jmo
join:2001-11-17
West Bloomfield, MI | NEWSFLASH... We already ARE owned by big brother, & his cousin, big business... | |
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dp
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join:2000-12-08
Greensburg, PA | Good for her... I hope it passes. | |
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
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| Re: Good for her... Any idea how many virtually unenforceable laws that achieve the square root of nothing are on the books in the Cities, States and countries of the world because someone thought like this person did that it needs legislation?
This is not something that needs legislation - it needs education. Don't give private info away if it's not needed. | |
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dp
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-08
Greensburg, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Good for her... said by sbrook :
This is not something that needs legislation - it needs education. Don't give private info away if it's not needed.
I agree, legislation is not the answer but no amount of education is going to stop a malicious website from dumping stuff on your PC by just visiting the site.
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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| Re: Good for her... said by dp :
said by sbrook :
This is not something that needs legislation - it needs education. Don't give private info away if it's not needed.
I agree, legislation is not the answer but no amount of education is going to stop a malicious website from dumping stuff on your PC by just visiting the site.
Never seen a site do that.
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dp
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Greensburg, PA
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| Re: Good for her... said by AmeritecTech :
Could you provide an example?
Not off the top of my head. I became aware of it when a poster here at the Security forum had it happen. It was some time ago and a quick search didn't turn up anything.
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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| Re: Good for her... Typically, drive by download refers to a site that asks you if you want to install something when you visit it. From CNET:
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Web surfers who thought online advertisements were becoming increasingly obtrusive may be dismayed by a new tactic: pop-up downloads.
In recent weeks, some software makers have enlisted Web site operators to entice their visitors to download software rather than simply to view some advertising. For example, when visiting a site a person may receive a pop-up box that appears as a security warning with the message: "Do you accept this download?" If the consumer clicks "Yes," an application is automatically installed.
»news.com.com/2100-1023-877568.html
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dp
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join:2000-12-08
Greensburg, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Good for her... Thanks for the link, a good read. The following was taken from that article:
"A person should (be able to) request the download" if they want it, or decline it if they don't, he said. "It's the classic opt-in, opt-out debate."
In some cases, people are not even asked whether they want the software. It just installs on the hard drive--a particularly troublesome tactic that some have dubbed "drive-by download."
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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00000 | Re: Example of a "drive-by download" Still have yet to see it. | |
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| | pkust
join:2001-08-09
Houston, TX
| said by sbrook :
This is not something that needs legislation - it needs education. Don't give private info away if it's not needed.
If a program's setup utility slipstreams spyware into the install without notifying the end user, no amount of education will help. You can't stop what you can't perceive.
With notification prior to install, education at least has a fighting chance.
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:
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| Let the morons fund the internet..... If you can't figure out how to uninstall spyware..... THANK YOU! You're ignorance helps pay the bills so the rest of us can continue getting nice software for free.
There is no reason to legislate this. Its a common sense issue. Then again, I don't think there should be "do not cut your fingers off" warnings on packages of steak knives, or "not for consumption" warnings on butane, but there are.
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DenverDialup
join:2003-06-06
Littleton, CO
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| Re: Let the morons fund the internet..... said by Camelot One :
There is no reason to legislate this. Its a common sense issue. Then again, I don't think there should be "do not cut your fingers off" warnings on packages of steak knives, or "not for consumption" warnings on butane, but there are.
I don't think you can really make that comparison. Obviously, when you buy a package of steak knives, you know that its purpose is to cut things, and that if you are not careful, your fingers could be cut off as well. But spyware is different; it often comes bundled with the "real" software (like Kazaa) that users think they are buying/downloading. So I think this legislation would at least help users to understand that they may be getting more than they bargained for when installing a new app.
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hockey_nut
join:2003-05-13
Ottawa, Can
| Just because someone isn't computer savy as to know how to remove spyware doesn't give these companies any right to invade his privacy. Most of the time if you uninstall the spyware the application your downloaded won't work.
"oooh, they have the internet on computers now" | |
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| | TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| Re: Let the morons fund the internet..... As long as it states up front exactly what will be installed, and what it will do, I have no problem with it. The problem is that a lot of the time, they try to "sneak" it in. For example, I was installing a game for my son (which was not free, and I paid for, I might add), and at the end of the install, it asked me if I wanted to install some vaguely-described component that appeared to by spyware. Of course, I chose "no." Funny thing, that same component that I did NOT install was caught by the firewall trying to access the internet once I rebooted. Needless to say, I was NOT happy.
On the other side of the coin, I was downloading some free screensavers that came bundled with spyware. It stated up front that it would be installed, and gave me the option to back out. It didn't stop me from having the firewall deny access to or immediately uninstalling the spyware, but it did keep me from complaining. | |
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Conspicuous? So what They'll just put it in the conspicuous EULA like they do now. She should spend time reversing that stupid copyright term extension act her tree bound husband got passed.
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jhudson2
Copyright Martyr
join:2000-11-07
San Marcos, CA
| Re: Trust this woman??? No question about it, Mary's a box of stupid.
She was widely rumored to be a candidate to replace Hillary at the RIAA when Hillary got her promotion to a lower level of Hell.
Makes me wonder who's the "brains" behind this effort and what the real motivation is. Betcha it isn't public service.
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maximus_808
Proud Veteran
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join:2001-08-27
Green Cove Springs, FL
clubs:
| Definition of spyware.... The first thing someone will have to do is come up with a hard and fast definition of what constitutes spyware..If you go to the kazaa web site right know you can read about their "No spyware policy"... »www.kazaa.com/us/index.htm
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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join:2002-09-06
00000 | Already Done For the most part, companies already do disclose that spyware is included in the install. Its just that no one reads their dang EULA. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Already Done said by AmeritecTech :
For the most part, companies already do disclose that spyware is included in the install. Its just that no one reads their dang EULA.
I read the EULA on everything i install no matter how long or stuffed it is full of legaleze. the first mention of 'third party' gets the cancel button clicked. although on some of this scumware just simply running setup.exe gets the spyware in whether you cancel the install or not.
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You Only Regret What You Have Not Done.
join:2000-01-26
Glendale, AZ | Re: Already Done We all bow before her. Legislation is what we need. Thanks | |
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Theo25
@attbi.com | Freeware usually sucks In all seriousness, I don't mind paying a fee for something rather then downloading freeware and getting something that is buggy or comes with ads. In my experience things I buy seem to have better support and are better functioning. Jmo.... | |
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