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FCC Data Under Fire
Commissioner Copps raises questions
by Karl Bode 09:22AM Thursday Aug 07 2003
The quality of data used by the FCC to predict broadband trends and make widely impacting decisions is under scrutiny by critics and FCC commissioners alike. A report released by the FCC last month indicated that rates for basic cable packages soared 8.2%, ($40.11 a month on average), while the cost of living was up 1.5%.

FCC Commissioners Copps and Adelstein (links to statements in Word format) at the time claimed the FCC's report on the industry offered much less information than in years past, impacting their decision making abilities.

Gene Kimmelman of the Consumer's Union agreed, claiming that the FCC was simply "refusing to gather data that illustrates more thoroughly how cable is entrenching its monopoly." Much of the data provided by cable companies isn't audited, and figures in recent reports have been taken at face value, without much concern for accuracy.

The question of accurate FCC data is being raised again this week, after the FCC's Wireline Competition Bureau released findings that were questioned by Commissioner Michael Copps, who again disputed how the FCC was proceeding with data analysis.

Copps took particular issue with the way the report calculates geographical development, noting that ISP's need only have one single connection enabled in a zip-code in order for that zip code to be considered "serviced" by that ISP.

That measuring stick was used in a June report that claimed that broadband was now available in 88 percent of the nation's zip codes. "We must dig deeper," Copps says of the methodology used. "Finding one high-speed subscriber in a zip code and counting it as service available throughout is not a credible way to proceed."

Copps also takes issue with the WCB's definition of 200Kbps (downstream) as a broadband connection. "I mentioned the 200-kilobit figure that we use to someone the other day, and the response I got was: 'How 1997,'" Copps noted at the WCB's presentation to the FCC on Wednesday.

Michael Powell isn't terribly concerned. "Better data is needed," Powell admits. "But the data we have is still valuable." Who most benefits from the "value" of that data is the billion dollar question.

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Maxo
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$$$$

I think it's those large "endorsements" that are getting in the way.

ronpin
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Monkey See - Monkey Doo

What the hell -- the gvmt. lies about reasons for war -- why not lie about broadband rollout -- if it makes you look good. At least Clinton told the lie we all tell.
Goldman

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Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

said by ronpin:
What the hell -- the gvmt. lies about reasons for war -- why not lie about broadband rollout -- if it makes you look good. At least Clinton told the lie we all tell.
Maybe YOU have to lie to your wife about having sex with other women...I don't.

ronpin
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Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

Heh heh -- trust me -- you mean not yet

Maxo
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Re: Monkey See - Monkey Doo

said by ronpin:
Heh heh -- trust me -- you mean not yet
(Turns head, pretends that wasn't heard)
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vic102482
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said by ronpin:
Heh heh -- trust me -- you mean not yet
Heheheh:) good one.
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oliphant5
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Nice troll.

ikarus1
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said by ronpin:
What the hell -- the gvmt. lies about reasons for war -- why not lie about broadband rollout -- if it makes you look good. At least Clinton told the lie we all tell.
Hello??? Anyone home in that place? Nope did not think so...

Chairman of the FCC doubts the reliability of his own statistics and *YOU* question him? What's dat? DUH?

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Why ask why?

This administration, through all its appointees, is acting very openly in the corporate interest. Mr. Powell is the biggest visible corporate whore (except for the twosome at the top, of course), but he is one of many.

It is a plague of locusts on the land. They indulge their greed with no regard for the future or the consequences. I'm sure Mr. Powell is due for a cushy job for the rest of his life, as long as he continues to sell the people to the oligopolies.

The same goes for his comrades in all other branches of government. There is no shock value left in it.

When a dog urinates on a fire hydrant, he's not acting like a vandal, he's acting like a dog.

Same for ethics-free corporate whores. They act in self-interest because they know no other way.

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Re: Why ask why?

said by shuubz:
Mr. Powell is the biggest visible corporate whore
Billy Tauzin is bitterly disappointed that the Academy did not consider his contributions in this category.
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N/A

Mr. Tauzin is an elected official, not an appointed one. He's not eligible for this booby prize (I think I'll call it the Kenny award, for Kenneth Lay, the dirtbag from Enron).

While Billy may be a dirtbag as well, he likely begged, borrowed and stole his own way into public office.

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Re: N/A

I should have read the fine print

ikarus1
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said by shuubz:
This administration, through all its appointees, is acting very openly in the corporate interest. Mr. Powell is the biggest visible corporate whore (except for the twosome at the top, of course), but he is one of many.

It is a plague of locusts on the land. They indulge their greed with no regard for the future or the consequences. I'm sure Mr. Powell is due for a cushy job for the rest of his life, as long as he continues to sell the people to the oligopolies.

The same goes for his comrades in all other branches of government. There is no shock value left in it.

When a dog urinates on a fire hydrant, he's not acting like a vandal, he's acting like a dog.

Same for ethics-free corporate whores. They act in self-interest because they know no other way.
And when a MORON acts like a MORON, what do we call it... Ummmm Yeah! I got it. We call them a MORON... You sir are a MORON.

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shuubz
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Consider the source

Truly a carefully thought-out response.

Or perhaps a nice troll.

Please note, your rebuttal had no more reason or logic than a White House press conference.

Since you don't know the clinical meaning of "moron", and your grammar is as weak as your intelligence, I can only assume you are "slow", or retarded, to use the non-PC term.

Hopefully you can develop into a fully functional person if/when you grow up.

Good day.
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Available everywhere!

That measuring stick was used in a June report that claimed that broadband was now available in 88 percent of the nation's zip codes. "We must dig deeper," Copps says of the methodology used. "Finding one high-speed subscriber in a zip code and counting it as service available throughout is not a credible way to proceed."

Since the telcos will run a T1 virtually anywhere if you've got the $$$, it would be accurate to say that broadband is available in 100% of the nations zip codes.

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Unit649
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Re: Available everywhere!

I can guarentee that not to be the case, where my parents live in the mountains of CA, the nearest dialup is in the next zip code over, so although its close, its not in their zipcode. The odds of them getting one are zero also-the biggest business in their zipcode is the single small grocery store that serves the town of 2,000 people. Luckily the phone company up there allows it to be a local number so they don't have to pay long distance to dial into it.

They probably have the capability but I don't see anyone ever taking advantage of it, just nothing up there that needs that kind of bandwith.
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Re: Available everywhere!

My aunt and uncle used to live in rural california and the closest dial up they had was long distance. When they called the phone company, they offered to run a t-1 to they're house for around $40k, then however much it was for monthly service. If you have the $, they WILL run a t-1 anywhere, its just not likely or practical for anyone to do so.
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Re: Available everywhere!

I'm sure my parents have fiber passing nearby-lord knows that they run it everywhere now for backbone for phone, but I don't see anyone in that town with the kind of coin needed to tap into it
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I do not call it available

I don't think you can say broad band is "available" in an area until there are at least 2 home user priced options there.

Having only one is not broadband availability, it is broadband monopoly.

And I agree, there is just no way in hell 88% of the country is wired.
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Re: I do not call it available

I second that one. I only have one broadband option in my area. And there are many places in the same zip code that have none.

I think they should make it over 2/3 of a zip code wired to call it available. At the least.

puritan

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Re: I do not call it available

And I think anything less than 100% of the homes and businesses in a given area is "limited availability", not available.
Estragon

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You are too kind. I think you should have to meet all of these criteria to declare broadband "available":

  • 100% of the homes

  • have service at better than a standard speed (let's say 512Kbps in each direction)

  • and pay less than a standard price (let's say $100 a month).

nasadude

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we know who benefits

"Who most benefits from the "value" of that data is the billion dollar question."

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who benefits from the method and content of the data the FCC is using to make decisions.

Most likely, the decision are already made, they are just taking the data they need to fit the decisions.

GuggyFresh

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Re: we know who benefits

I think it's more that the telcos and MSOs frame the data the way they want it to be read.


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Yep, all those wired zips are in baby bell areas with the 30%
of non-existent,missing equipment that rates are based on.
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Why not tie cable prices to gas prices or to the Euro...they're both as equally irrelevant as cost of living.
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I had one option Sat, then I had Verizon DSL available, now I have a choice Verizon 768/128 or Cable. And if I lived two courts back in the town house development I'm in it would be two options Cox Cable or Sat.
Now this isn't that bad, but if I want to ditch Verizon then I have to take Cox or go back to dial up.

lotsofplstic

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If you live in small town you feel lucky if you can get broadband.
A small town 20 miles from where I live you can't get dsl only an over sold cable modem service.
There are so many little town near where I live you can only get sat.
I am lucky I can DSL or cable where I live.
We have Dsl in this town for over two years cable modem service has only been live for almost 5 months.
What really bad one of the towns has a central switching office but SBC does not want to offer DSL there.

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npyoung

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Re: You can't get broadband everywhere!!

Why don't you become a WISP and fix that problem?
jdir

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Santa Clara, CA
200Kbps is broadband? No wonder we're way behind other nations in broadband speed and price. Maybe those folks at the FCC should stop playing with their HAM radio, and morse code and start playing with ethernet.

Look ma - I can download 100K in a second - must be broadband:D:D