Palestinian P2PEarthstation 5 founders try their luck ( old news - 04:09PM Friday Aug 15 2003) tags: legal · Fileswapping"There aren't too many process servers that are going to be coming into the Jenin (Palestine) refugee camp, says Ras Kabir, co-founder of p2p app Earthstation5; "We'll welcome them if they do.". We first touched on Earthstation5 earlier this summer; it's one of the latest entries onto the file trading scene, laughing in the face of the RIAA's legal tactics while promoting itself to users as an anonymity protecting file trading service. That's something that's hotly debated, at least when you ask companies that track down offenders for the RIAA. Many users aren't thrilled with the program's comparatively clunky interface, but as the RIAA continues their crackdown on major p2p networks, pirates may find their choices increasingly limited. One thing's for certain, prosecuting the founders of Earthstation5 could prove to be difficult, since Palestinian copyright laws protect Palestinian works, but are less strict when it comes to foreign offerings. "We have met with the organizations on our side, met with the leadership, and we said we just want to support ourselves and support Palestinians," says Kabir in this CNET report. "Everyone thought we were nuts. But we all came to agreement. We're entitled to eat, too."
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 russotto
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Rally1
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JewIsCool
@coxinc.com | Re: Someone has to say it All of them, no. Large portion, yes. | |
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purplejello
join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
clubs: | Re: Someone has to say it That statement is merely incendiary and spurious. Its tantamount to saying that all Americans are gun-toting child abusers. Perhaps it's fun to say, but it's not true. | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: Someone has to say it If pirating music supports terrorist, shouldn't we legalize it? | |
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BigHap
@rr.com | Re: Someone has to say it Hey, I'll have you know I don't tote a gun. :P | |
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thedudeman
@attbi.com | now that comment was just plain stupid. when did they allow people to post with IQ'S in the single digits?, or in your case fractions. | |
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jingjong
@chcgil.ameritech | you are right,it is the Palestinian that are occuping other country since 1967!!! | |
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join:2003-10-08 | Re: Someone has to say it Well who's been occupying the region since the Jews were forcibly evicted 2000 years ago? | |
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join:2002-01-01
North Babylon, NY | Sir or madam
You are an idiot that makes idiotic statements...
Why not stick your head in a bucket of cold water, you Bush-monger | |
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titoisme
join:2003-07-13
Brooklyn, NY | said by JewIsCool:
All of them, no. Large portion, yes.
How about kicking a people out of their land and forcing them into refugee camps and ghettos...???!!! | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by titoisme  :
How about kicking a people out of their land and forcing them into refugee camps and ghettos...???!!!
You have a choice: Make an effort to study and understand what you're talking about, or if you don't want to bother, write your congressman about saving whales and acid rain. | |
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sorne guy
@66.84.x.x | Re: Someone has to say it "write your congressman about saving whales and acid rain."
save the acid rain!
yeah! | |
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join:2002-09-23
Jacksonville, OR | And how about running over American girls with a bulldozer?
The leadship of has a knack for pissing just about everyone off with their unbridled greed for what's not theirs. | |
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Someone has to say it Its odd that I never hear anything about the countless American lives lost to Palestinian terrorism, yet people can't stop talking about some confused girl who jumped under a bulldozer. | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI
| Re: Someone has to say it Because americans only care if they know the name(s) of who, after that they could care less, I should know I live here and have seen it happen time and time again.
We live in a very uneducated country with some very stupid leaders.
Oh and if you want to know why the arabs hate "white" countries then pick up some history books and start at the crusades and work your way up. Think † while you do that.
And just to clear up any misconceptions of my ethnicity, I'm half "white"(on my dad's side, don't feel like listing all countries so I'll say typical american mutt) an half Puerto Rican(on my mom's side, my grandparents moved state-side when she was 5).
I'm no terrorist, I'm worse, I'm educated.
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ravital
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by Duo Maxwell :
Oh and if you want to know why the arabs hate "white" countries then pick up some history books and start at the crusades and work your way up. Think † while you do that.
Wow, what powerful insights! Tell me then, Mr. Educated, why do they hate Jews so? I mean, Jews never tried to † Anybody, Jews never carried out crusades, Jews never proselytize, never coerce or even invite anyone into their faith. Matter of fact, historically, Muslims have always preferred the company of Jews to that of Christians precisely for that reason. So why all the hatred? I only ask because I'm a dumb American who elects stupid people and you're so educated.
While you're at it, maybe you could also explain this: The Soviet Union, when there was one, spent some 80 years oppressing - and often quite brutally - up to 50 million Muslims - and you've NEVER heard a single peep from Muslim leaders or Muslim countries, in fact, many of them were happy to be Soviet client-states. America, with all it's faults and all the atrocities it has committed around the world, doesn't stop sending wheat and other foodstuff to Muslim countries (not to mention 95% of the rest of the world who would be executed for saying a single word about their own leaders, but are happy to march down the streets burning American flags having had a good breakfast made up of American-grown food) - as well as contributing to their economies with all the oil we buy from them. They feel miserable? Sure they do, so would I with the leaders they have. So what do they do about it other than hate America? I've heard a Saudi Crown Prince quote from the Qur'an: "Allah smiles on those who help themselves." And that's all they can come up with? Blow up busses and crash commercial airliners into buildings in exchange for eternity with 70 virgins? loot their own hospitals and complain that there is a shortage of drugs? Steal oil and turbines from their own power plants and demand that America restore power immediately? Steal every motor from their own sewage-processing plants and complain that America is inflicting cholera on them? I'm impressed.
said by Duo Maxwell :
And just to clear up any misconceptions of my ethnicity, I'm half "white"(on my dad's side, don't feel like listing all countries so I'll say typical american mutt)
I gather then that the list of countries is longer than "don't feel like listing all countries so I'll say typical american mutt" - Impressive. More keystrokes to save yourself the trouble of typing fewer keystrokes. The wonders of education.
Sorry. Anytime an argument begins with "you're so uneducated and I'm so smart therefore I must be right" - this is what you're going to get.
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join:2003-10-08 | Well said,
If your're going to stand in front of bulldozers you run the risk of being killed
that's obvious isn't it? | |
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join:2003-10-08 | Re: Someone has to say it indeed, and if you want to talk about a people being forced from their land and into ghettos..........hello! | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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Merrimack, NH | said by JewIsCool:
All of them, no. Large portion, yes.
And not all Jews are shysters, just large portions of them (being Jewish myself, I ought to know). | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Israel isn't all that innocent either you know. | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI
| Re: Someone has to say it You got that right, no race is above another and religion never got anybody anywhere except for war, which in my understanding goes against religious beliefs, if only your imaginary friends(god, allah, muhammad, budda and all the rest) knew what you idiots where doing in "their name" they'd b!†¢h slap you guys with lawsuits for using their name.
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Rochester, NY | Take your crap out of this forum. No one gives a $hit about it. | |
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dejavu1234
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| >All of them, no. Large portion, yes
Agreed. Just because Jews used hotel bombings in England and France, and illegal land siezures to build their state... does not make it RIGHT. That was then and this is now. People didn't know any better back in the 1950's, but now is now and Palestinians should recognize the law of their land, even if it's a government that denies them voting rights. | |
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fooby
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| The VAST majority of Palestinians don't want to be next to Israel, they want to remove Israel. The fact is that Jordan was already created from 2/3 of the Palestinian mandate.
Most Palestinians can NOT trace their roots back 3 generations within Israel.
Had not the Romans insultingly renamed the conquered Judea "Palestine", would Arafat have led the "Judean Liberation Organization"? | |
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ravital
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by fooby:
The VAST majority of Palestinians ....., would Arafat have led the "Judean Liberation Organization"?
Had my grandmother had wheels, would she have been an 1928 DeSotto????
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Re: Someone has to say it LOVE THE POSTER!!!!!!!!!!
Today it's the Palestinians and the Jews beating the ga-geebers out of each other. Go back about 2100 years ago and it was the Greeks and the Jews beating the
ga-geeders out of east other.
There are Palestinian Family's with legal deeds to land their family had lived on for several centuries. But
a Jew came along with a book which said he was there first,
2500 years ago and booted this family out.
The Jews would love see all the Palestinian disappear
and the Palestinians would love to have the same this happen to the Jews.
Caught in all of this are the Oriental Jews who never left
the area during the Diaspora. They have lived in peace with
the Arabs for over a thousand years. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. Not trusted by either side.
Hate begets hate, killing leads to more killing, it will never end.
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH
| Re: Someone has to say it What you just repeated is one of the most commmon myths about the Palestine Mandate.
First. Prior to Jewish immigration to the mandate of Palestine, the land was sparsely populated and heavily erored. Author Mark Twain even noted, when visiting the area:
"] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
Most arabs came as a result of the prosperity the Jews brought to the mandate. It was through the labor of the Jews that Palestine prospered, and Arabs were attracted to the growing economy.
There were only a few instances of Arabs being forced off their land. A great deal of Arabs left prior to the actual war, most hoping to return once Israel was defeated. Of course, this all could have been avoided had the Arabs simply accepted Partition, as that would have given them most of the mandate. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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| Re: Someone has to say it said by Jubcoo :
"] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.
I had made up my mind not to talk about this because it's way off-topic, but A) Anyone who puts Palestinians on the front page of a web site about broadband and expects people to stay on topic is dreaming, and B) the inevitable result being so much disinformation, myth, and pure ignorance on ALL sides that's much too much to ask anyone to ignore.
What you're forgetting is that the country, small as it is, it remarkably diverse in landscape and climate. There is no place in the world where it can snow on a mountaintop (Jerusalem) and you can grow wantermelons in tropical weather 12 miles away and 4,000 feet down from there (Dead Sea area). So what Mark Twain saw, as much as I admire him, is not a photograph or an accurate representation, it's what HE saw. There have ALWAYS been farmers on that land, Arab muslims, Arab christians, Druze, Cercassians, you name it, and yes, Jews as well. This myth of "they made the desert bloom and it was completely an empty lunar landscape before has got to stop. And if I'm not mistaken, Mark Twain also said "I pity the man who can travel through it and say 'tis all barren."
said by Jubcoo :
Of course, this all could have been avoided had the Arabs simply accepted Partition, as that would have given them most of the mandate.
OF course, the Israelis were positively in love with the partition idea, weren't they? Bull, they rejected it too, but knew the Arabs would never accepted it, so they were smart enough to keep their mouths shut about that. | |
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join:2003-10-08 | Here here!
Perhaps people can get the notion of a past Palestinian Soveriegn state out of their heads, there has never been one. If Arafat sticks to a peace initiative for more than 5 minutes then hopefully there will be one in the future. | |
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broadbndgeek
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Graham, WA | Re: Someone has to say it according to the government whenever you don't do what they want you support terrorism.
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ghostpainter
I Write for the Apocalypse
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join:2002-05-25
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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| Re: Someone has to say it I tried Earth Station...my source was always in New Zealand....BUT!!!! I got 2 virus's while downloading a 700MB file...so i quit....But the speed....120 speed for the entire time i did get one file....2 hours 15 minutes....something that the others never approach.... | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | Who's government? If your talking about america then thats only because this is a country of greedy uneducated idiots that are totally incapable of thinking for themselves. | |
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DotDOt
@dsl.gen | I think he's joking, in reference to all the (anti-) drug ads. | |
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | Re: Someone has to say it said by DotDOt:
I think he's joking, in reference to all the (anti-) drug ads.
Well, at least one person got it. (Not saying it's funny though...) | |
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Archivis
Your Daddy
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Earth
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| Well then I guess it has to be said that when you support the RIAA you support terrorism
Supporting the RIAA means supporting more money for rich people. Statisticly, the percentage of rich people who buy and use drugs are more of that then of middle or lower class people. Buying drugs supports the people who fund terrorism.
By using P2P applications you are doing your part to help bring terrorism to its knees.
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rideboarder
welcome to the social
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Snohomish, WA
clubs: | haha supporting terrorism when you pirate music...thats a good one! | |
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join:2001-12-03
Stratford, ON | Re: Someone has to say it about as funny as when they said you support terroism if you drive an SUV... I don't have one... but wish I did in these Canadian winters! | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | I was wondering how long that remark was going to take. | |
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superman00
@verizon.net | like in a movie i saw, one man terrorist is another man hero. | |
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fooby
@attbi.com
| Re: Someone has to say it You aren't sharing. You are copying.
Sharing a book means you can't read it while your friend is reading it.
No book publisher would deny libraries the right to lend books. They WOULD object strongly and reasonably if the library got into the re-publishing business.
You have the RIGHT to share. You don't have the RIGHT to copy for others. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | That's why soon our laws well be so bad that you will be considered a terrorist if you dare posses a copy of anything. Even if you own it. | |
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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Springfield, IL
clubs: | Sheesh, its AMAZING how off-topic we can all get.
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| What is wrong is having the freedom to share what you want?
Are we that stupid and gullible as to believe everything the big guy say?
Screw them, they are evil.
I'm tired of being poor, i'm tired of having to pay heavy taxes to keep them stinking rich!!! | |
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join:2001-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Israel Shoots its Own citizens I bet you're trying to imply that Israel is wrong for doing so... uhmmm these people go into war-zones. What do you expect when you walk into a war-zone, candy and cake? Sheeesh, you people are soo close minded to the Jewish side. These people are tense, they lose relatives to little fuck nuts that blow up cafes. How would you like you mother being blown to bits as she goes to dine at a nice eatery?
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Jubcoo
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Cleveland, OH | okay. if its videos you want,
May i suggest this website. www.pmw.org.il monitors Palestinian media. The palestinian media borders of Nazism. Its worth watching some of these videos. | |
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Jubcoo
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Cleveland, OH
| I've refuted each point you presented. I fail to see how Israel can be accused of intransigence when it has never turned down negotiations. Israel deserved to be criticized, but no more than any other democratic country. Today, Israel is being criticized far more than any other country, despite showing a great deal of restraint. I would not be complaining if the Arab dictatorial regimes were criticized as often as Israel, despite their horrid abuses. I will maintain the the Arabs, through their belligerence, their refusal to negotiate, their antisemetic incitement and their exasperation of the refugee problem, have fueled the violence and have no interest in a peaceful solution, so long that Israel is in existence.
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join:2003-08-16
Saint Cloud, WI
| Re: Someone has to say it I'll try to illustrate Israel's commitment to peace.
"Washington's commitment to enhancing terror was illustrated again in December 2001, when it vetoed a Security Council resolution calling for implementation of the Mitchell Plan and dispatch of international monitors to oversee reduction of violence, the most effective means as generally recognized but opposed by Israel and regularly blocked by Washington. The veto took place during a twenty-one day period of "calm" - a period in which only one Israeli soldier was killed, along with twenty-one Palestinians including eleven children, and in which there were sixteen Israeli incursions in to areas under Palestinian control. Ten days before the veto, the United States boycotted - and thus undermined - an international conference in Geneva that once again concluded that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the occupied territories, so that virtually everything the United States and Israel do there is a "grave breach" - a "war crime" in simple terms. The conference specifically declared the U.S-funded Israeli settlements to be illegal and condemned the practice of "willful killing, torture, unlawful deportation, willful depriving of the rights of fair and regular trial, extensive destruction and appropriation of property... carried out unlawfully and wantonly.""
That's an excerpt from Noam Chomsky's excellent book "Middle East Illusions."
The record is extensive.
Here's a good article from yesterday:
»story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s···16114236
Here are some more links:
»www.palestinecampaign.org/archiv···?xid=462
»www.inq7.net/wnw/2002/aug/07/wnw_2-1.htm
»home.mindspring.com/~fontenelles···sk23.htm
»Palestinian P2P
If you don't like my sources there are plenty of others across the board. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| said by Jubcoo :
I've refuted each point you presented.
I believe you meant me, not russotto. And you have refuted nothing. You have gone into "lecture mode" about 242 etc. without seeing the larger picture. you have bombarded with links that I don't intend to follow. I don't need Google or anyone else to tell me the facts about where I grew up. said by Jubcoo :
I fail to see how Israel can be accused of intransigence when it has never turned down negotiations.
I know where you failure is, you don't have to tell me. What Israel has done is step on someone else's foot with all its might, and when that someone had the nerve to defend himself, turned around to the world and said "See? see what terrorism I have to put up with???" Syrians shell Israeli civilian population centers, and the Israelis call it an act of war. A Palestinian 14-year-old tosses a rock at a fully armed and uniformed soldier and it's called an act of terrorism. Go ahead and Google that one away.
No one can blame anyone for self-defense. There is absolutely no self-defense in grabbing land that belongs to other people, just because some Rabbi points at a spot on the ground and waves a Bible and says this is where Jacob had his dream of the ladder, or some such idiocy. THAT is how terrorists are born. Unless of course you believe Palestinians are genetically hard-wired for terrorism. You wouldn't be the first to come up with that one, and I'm sure Google is full of links that will demonstrate that as well, so please don't bother.
As far as Israel never refusing to negotiate: In 1971 I was there and heard the news on the radio one day. The 3rd or 4th story was a statement by King Hussein that he would welcome a meeting with the Israeli government to begin peace negotiations. The story went on to say that Prime Minister Golda Meir stated he must first recognize Israel. I'm not sure what she meant, he didn't sound like someone who wanted to negotiate with ghosts and spirits or with a country he didn't recognize. You're not going to find THAT on Google.
said by Jubcoo :
I will maintain the the Arabs, through their belligerence, their refusal to negotiate, their antisemetic incitement and their exasperation of the refugee problem, have fueled the violence and have no interest in a peaceful solution, so long that Israel is in existence.
You are correct that they have been belligerent. And antisemitic. And they have exasperated the refugee problem. Even more than that, they have absolutely no interest in solving or even alleviating it. But Israel is not innocent either. Sharon has spent the last 3 years taking exactly the kind of actions that evoke exactly the kind of Palestinian reaction he needs in order to "show the world how besieged we are" to justify his actions. Since he took office and until recently, every time there was a 24-48 hour lull in the fighting, who initiated another belligerent action? Sharon. Google that one up, if you care.
Or if you prefer, yes, the Palestinians are all evil, the Israelis all innocent, it's a simple, clear-cut, black & white question, have a nice day. | |
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH
| Your sources include "palestinecampaign.org and Noam Chomsky, who is nothing but a propagandist whose claims have no bearing in fact.
Palestinian children dying is a convenient method Palestinians and their supporters use to condemn Israel. The truth is that Palestinian children are taught from a young age to kill and seek martyrdom. This is done through the Palestinian media. Thankfully, there are organizations that monitor and translate Palestinian media.
Here are some examples. (Taken from Palestinian Media Watch)
This MTV style music video calls upon children to attack Israelis with stones: “You will not be saved, Oh Zionist, from the volcano of my county’s stones” and is sung to scenes of children throwing stones and participating in frenzied “war dances”. [PA TV Mar. 2002- June 2003, repeatedly]
»www.isratv.com/video/2a.asx
Kill all the Jews - Words of Palestinian Teenager on TV:
A teenage girl calls for the killing of Jews: “We won't leave a single Jew here.” [PA TV Oct. 22, 2000]
»www.isratv.com/video/2b.asx
Here in another digusting video with a teacher discussing how she allowed children to leave the school and seek 'shahada' or martyrdom
Young Children convinced that death as Shahid is ideal:
Two 11 year olds girls articulate their personal goal to Die for Allah - Shahada, explaining that “all Palestinian children” see Shahada, because of its promised grand Afterlife, as more worthwhile than living. [June 2002]
»www.isratv.com/video/3f.asx
Arafat explains that dead Palestinian children- Shahids - are the greatest message to the world”.
[PATV Jan. 15, 2002
»www.isratv.com/video/3e.asx
Many Palestinian children are not innocents caught in the crossfire, rather front line combatants used by the Palestinians. Of course, western media doesn't pick up on the borderline nazist incitement used by the Palestinians.
More videos can be found at pmw.org.il | |
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Jubcoo
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Cleveland, OH
| I know where you failure is, you don't have to tell me. What Israel has done is step on someone else's foot with all its might, and when that someone had the nerve to defend himself, turned around to the world and said "See? see what terrorism I have to put up with???" Syrians shell Israeli civilian population centers, and the Israelis call it an act of war. A Palestinian 14-year-old tosses a rock at a fully armed and uniformed soldier and it's called an act of terrorism. Go ahead and Google that one away.
How is shelling towns not an act of war? A 14 year old rock armed boy is not a terrorism, and I cannot recall Israel ever labeling one as that. If it were simple rock throwing youth, there would be no intifada. The terrorists hide behind the 14 year old, with the child often resulting as a casualty of crossfire. You sound like you're suggesting Israel has provoked other nations. I cannot recall a recent example of this happening. As for Syrian backed Hizbollah, which shells Israeli towns, they are obviously a terrorist group. Prior to September 11th, they have killed more Americans than any other terrorist group.
Ariel Sharon has actually moved towards the center. During the 80s, he was staunchy against a Palestinian state, as was the Likud platform. He singehandedly managed to shift the Likud stance to be favorable towards an eventual Palestinian state.
And please stop with the google references. Google is simply a convenient research tool. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| Re: Someone has to say it One more time, I'm not russotto.
said by Jubcoo :
How is shelling towns not an act of war?
You misunderstand: What I said was that when Syria's miliatry attacks Israeli civilians, it's called an act of war (when it should be called an act of terrorism), while Palestinian attacks against Israeli military personel are called terrorism. This should be an obvious double standard.
said by Jubcoo :
A 14 year old rock armed boy is not a terrorism, and I cannot recall Israel ever labeling one as that.
Then I have no idea which Israel on which planet you're referring to. Israel has used the terrorism term to label any and all Palestinian actions against its military, except possibly the use of strong language. said by Jubcoo :
The terrorists hide behind the 14 year old, with the child often resulting as a casualty of crossfire.
And the 8-year-old Israeli girl blown up on a bus in the West Bank, who didn't ask to be born, didn't choose her parents, didn't ask to be put on the altar of their ideology - whose victim is she? said by Jubcoo :
You sound like you're suggesting Israel has provoked other nations. I cannot recall a recent example of this happening.
Of course not, because Palestinians are conveniently not "a nation" in the classic sense, they are not a country, so provoking them "doesn't count." You live on land that's been in your family for generations, and one night an army knocks on your door and evicts you, and the next thing you know, folks from Kiev and Brooklyn live on your land and use your water, and you have absolutely no legal recourse. I don't know about you, but that sure would provoke the hell out of me. said by Jubcoo :
Ariel Sharon has actually moved towards the center. During the 80s, he was staunchy against a Palestinian state, as was the Likud platform. He singehandedly managed to shift the Likud stance to be favorable towards an eventual Palestinian state.
And singlehandedly did everything in his power and more to make sure it never happens. It's so much easier to get an entire party behind you when you tell them "shhhh... don't tell anyone, this is just a front, just a way to show the Americans we're reasonable. We've pushed the Palestinians far enough into terrorism that they'll never meet the criteria of the American road map so none of it is ever going to happen anyway. Costs us nothing to say we're committed to it." | |
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Jubcoo
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Cleveland, OH
| You misunderstand: What I said was that when Syria's miliatry attacks Israeli civilians, it's called an act of war (when it should be called an act of terrorism), while Palestinian attacks against Israeli military personel are called terrorism. This should be an obvious double standard.
Syria herself doesn't shell Israel. The Syrian proxy terrorist group Hizbollah shells Israel. So it is terrorism because Hizbollah is defined as a terror group.
And the 8-year-old Israeli girl blown up on a bus in the West Bank, who didn't ask to be born, didn't choose her parents, didn't ask to be put on the altar of their ideology - whose victim is she?
I simply don't understand what you're getting at here. I was talking about Palestinian children. Not all settlers have some ideology. It seems that you're allowing your personal feelings about this conflict to distort the facts. Please show me any documents which would contain anything about Arabs being forced off their homes for the purpose of providing housing to Israelis.
And singlehandedly did everything in his power and more to make sure it never happens. It's so much easier to get an entire party behind you when you tell them "shhhh... don't tell anyone, this is just a front, just a way to show the Americans we're reasonable. We've pushed the Palestinians far enough into terrorism that they'll never meet the criteria of the American road map so none of it is ever going to happen anyway. Costs us nothing to say we're committed to it."
Again, you pulled that entire statement out of your ass. Sharon has, on the contrary, released Palestinians prisoners DESPITE the Palestinians dismantling terrorist organizations. They have handed over cities to the PLO, again without any positive Palestinian response. What more do you want? | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| Re: Someone has to say it One more time, with feeling now, brother:
I AM NOT RUSSOTTO
I AM NOT RUSSOTTO
I AM NOT RUSSOTTO
I AM NOT RUSSOTTO
I AM NOT RUSSOTTO
I AM NOT RUSSOTTO
Get it? I don't know him, her or it, and I don't want anyone else implicated in something I said because in your zeal to retort from the hip you can't keep track of who you're talking to and whom you are quoting.
said by Jubcoo :
Syria herself doesn't shell Israel. The Syrian proxy terrorist group Hizbollah shells Israel. So it is terrorism because Hizbollah is defined as a terror group.
That WOULD be a laugh if it were not such a sad topic (not to mention a significant revelation of your ignorance of the facts). I grew up there, I served in the IDF, people I went to high school with were killed BEFORE Hizbollah ever showed up, but you have "documents" proving that it's not the Syrians? And you ask ME for documentation of Palestinians being kicked off their land to make room for homes for settlers, when I've SEEN them??? When you get your facts from actually reading their newspapers and actually talking to the people, you might have something to say.
said by Jubcoo :
Please show me any documents which would contain anything about Arabs being forced off their homes for the purpose of providing housing to Israelis.
Sure, pal, any copy of Haaretz available at www.haaretz.il.co (english AND hebrew editions), any copy of Tikkun in the early 1990s and... wait, I know how the game is played, you're going to tell me that Tikkun is Antisemitic and Haaretz is commie pinko self-hating defeatists or something along those lines. No, I'm not playing that game with you. I've played it long enough.
This is a thread about a software product, kindly exercise your constitutional right to take your propaganda elsewhere, and allow us our constitutional right not to see it here. | |
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Jubcoo
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Cleveland, OH
| Re: Someone has to say it I realize you're not russotto, but since he started the topic, the reply button points to his name. It's not that big of a deal. I am talking about the present day, where Hizbollah, not the Syrians, are doing the shelling. Perhaps you don't understand where I'm coming from. Im not an Israeli propagandist, nor do I feel Tikkun, which is headed by a Rabbi, is antisemetic. Please don't take me for a fool. I read both Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post and other Israeli english daily newspapers. I know what's going on no less than you do. But I am going to need documentation. If you choose to slander Sharon, you might as well provide some facts to back up your statements. You call me a propagandist but at the same time, you provide statements without facts. I realize some Israeli methods are questionable. I believe Israel should be criticized, but no more than any other country. Right now, Israel is being asked by the international community to uphold impossible moral standards, while her enemies butcher without any world condemnation. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
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Merrimack, NH
| Re: Someone has to say it said by Jubcoo :
I realize you're not russotto, but since he started the topic, the reply button points to his name.
If you've been registered here since Sep. 2002, it's a little difficult to believe you can't make the reply button point to the right person. We all make mistakes and we all try to be careful about that. I don't like anyone attributing to me something someone else says (hich I know you have NOT done), and as a courtesy to others, I'll point out to you when you are attributing to someone else what I've said. said by Jubcoo :
It's not that big of a deal.
Maybe not to you, but to many others, it is, and it costs me nothing to respect that. said by Jubcoo :
I read both Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post and other Israeli english daily newspapers. I know what's going on no less than you do. But I am going to need documentation.
It is not logically possible to say you have read all of the above and follow up with "I still need documentation." If you've read the above, you have seen the documentation. Which leads me to conclude that you will treat any documentation I offer in the same manner that you have treated the documentation you have already seen, namely, you'll ignore it. So why should I bother? said by Jubcoo :
If you choose to slander Sharon,
Slander is your word. I know him from much closer sources and observations than reading "documentation" about him. said by Jubcoo :
I believe Israel should be criticized, but no more than any other country. Right now, Israel is being asked by the international community to uphold impossible moral standards,
Yes, that's true enough, and that's precisely the excuse used by pro-Israel proponents for exempting Israel from meeting any standards at all. How convenient. said by Jubcoo :
while her enemies butcher without any world condemnation.
So the complaint today is that the world public opinion and media reflect, among other things, antisemitism? I am shocked. | |
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Svullie
@mindspring.com | If we stop swapping files p2p, then the terrorists have won. | |
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bear73
Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies
Premium
join:2001-06-09
Grand Forks Afb, ND | Re: try this for riaa LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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texans20
Weapons of Masturbation
Premium
join:2002-09-28
Texas!
clubs: | Sucks I think it sucks right now, they need to focus less on making the program look nice and more on the basics. Sure, its flashy, but nothing worked for me. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Every time you download a song... A Kitten will die. | |
| silicon dog
join:2003-01-01
O Fallon, MO | yawn... lesson number 1...when enough people want something they get it...be it drugs...music..ect ect...just like the war on drugs..waste of money and time..there are still places on this earth the riaa cant get to.. | |
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Julio
Bachatero y Que?
Premium
join:2003-03-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | I only use.. i will only use american or european made p2p!! | |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | Re: I only use.. You mean, on your asian made PC? | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Re: palestinians rule Your a racist. Your either an american or your not. You seem to chose to not to be. If you want to be a palestinian go back to palestine, oops, israel(DUH). | |
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anwgo153
Premium
join:2002-04-08
Hillside, NJ
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| Re: palestinians rule said by insomniac84 :
Your a racist. Your either an american or your not. You seem to chose to not to be. If you want to be a palestinian go back to palestine, oops, israel(DUH).
how is he a racist?
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | Evil corporation in America, will someone help us cleanse them out? We need freedom. | |
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flex5e
Volvo Fever
join:2003-06-24
UK
clubs:
| *sigh* WhyTF must a p2p article be immediately hijacked by a racist statement. I in no way support Palestine. However, the same can be said for Israel. I'm British, but I didn't rape half the planet and every brown-skinned man on it a couple of centuries ago.
Comprende? | |
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woodstocker
Premium
join:2002-12-12
Woodstock Valley, CT
| quit being racists.. we are all from planet earth earthstation5 claims to be made up of ALL ethnic background people... i downloaded it about 1/2 hour ago and have been playing around with it.. first observation.. it sure looks GREAT!!!!! i've already got movie downloading and I used avi-preview to check it. I have to admit it's a little complicated.. you gotta know what your doing (kinda).
some of you experienced peeps should try it out. | |
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Phoenix__1
join:2003-07-17
Holyoke, MA
| Re: quit being racists.. we are all from planet earth said by woodstocker :
earthstation5 claims to be made up of ALL ethnic background people... i downloaded it about 1/2 hour ago and have been playing around with it.. first observation.. it sure looks GREAT!!!!! i've already got movie downloading and I used avi-preview to check it. I have to admit it's a little complicated.. you gotta know what your doing (kinda).
some of you experienced peeps should try it out.
Some how, it reminds me how WinMX started... not being able to mass download & worring more on how it looks. But as many people have said, it just needs a few more things & BAM, we'll have a great p2p on our hands. | |
| | DONKEYKONG01
join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | I don't care about earthlink it suck but I do care about sharing files in general.
Is this a disease? NO.
Is it illegal? NO. | |
| unkyjoe0
join:2002-06-09
Seguin, TX
| Say What Palestinians - American Indians - its the American way, if they wont go force them onto reservations!
Those in power posses, way of the world folks! Just ask us here in the good old USofA.
He who has the gold rules, with PTP maybe the Palestinians will get some of the gold, force the bad apples out and learn to live in peace with the Jews  I for one hope so! | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| They are all terrorists In America majority rules, and the minority gets prosecuted. Using that, the majority of palestinians are terrorists, because if the terrorists were the minority they would be prosecuted. Instead they are loved and cherished, but the people cry when their families and friends die in retaliation for what the terrorists do. Then they just push for more terrorist attacks. It won't end until they all die.
Now on to the program, it was funny when it told me some crap about being behind a firewall and open certain ports. How does opening my ports increase the amount of files i can search for? Sounds like BS to me. | |
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sorne guy
@66.84.x.x
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| ES5 anyone? is anyone going to comment on the story, or perhaps the program, or are you all going to use this thread as some sort of soapbox from which to dispense ignorant generalizations about countries and people you don't know?
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| runlevelfour
join:2002-06-12
USA
| Piracy? In a nutshell, copyright infringement is stealing. However the problem would draw a lot more sympathy for the RIAA if they were not screwing everyone in the bargain.
Music CDs (even years old reproductions) command a 15-25USD pricetag. How they get their prices is beyond me. I picked up a new Slayer CD for 15USD last night, and their old stuff was the same price. Decade of aggression (2CD) was 25USD. This was at BestBuy. Other vendors wanted 20USD-25USD for any of their collection, the dual CD was almost 30. My girlfriend picked out 2CDs that I cannot stand, costing 15 and 20 USD EACH. I would LIKE to support the artists who make the music, however they get next to nothing of that 20USD CD you bought. Furthermore those CDs cost less than a single penny to make. Add in the packaging and youre looking at maybe a cent or two each.
There is no rhyme or reason to the prices of CDs. It seems everyone is price fixing as it is very rare in my area to see any vendor sell any CD for less than 15USD. Some are 11, 12, or 13 but those are "sales". Old music is same priced as new music, across all genres generally the only vairance is if you have multiple CDs in the packaging.
I get disgusted because the CDs are overpriced AND the people who made the music get diddly squat from it. The RIAA is raking in the cash hand over fist. THEY are making phenomenal profits from this because they HOLD A MONOPOLY. No one can stop them from price fixing, and they continue to do it.
So you know what, filetraders ARE STEALING but who are they really stealing from? Impoverished artists who get next to nothing from the royalties? No they are stealing from the pricks in the RIAA who certainly arent hurting for money. And if you look at the large picture, anyone whos bought a few overpriced CDs is only stealing the money back from the RIAA who doesnt like it. Thats why they are suing the individuals. | |
| | DONKEYKONG01
join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| Re: Piracy? *cough* but it so easy to make a copy unlike hardware you can't replicate that. Can you just get a copy machine to do that to make two exact same thing like on media.
I doubt. Much more cost effective, you can do it a million times and it cost you nothing
This is getting stupid because anything in life that involves money mean you can't even if it so easy to do!
They just want to control our life, just want to make us slaves into evil corporation. Listen to me, why do you work so much for so little yet you pay taxes while the corporation are exempt. So again think of it as of little benefit to you if your freedom is restricted to only for your own uses. This copyright is BS and makes people stupid at the same time as they fall prey to their scam.
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| GigahertZ420
join:2001-10-02
Fairbanks, AK | program is weak
NUKE THEM ALL!
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Re: program is weak I know, kazaa never told me to drop my firewall. This software sucks. | |
| | uknowit2
join:2002-03-20
San Antonio, TX | That's right "NUKE THEM ALL". That area of the world has been at war since the dawn of time. Wipe them out and start a World Park. | |
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gnucleus7
Number 3 Forever
join:2002-06-06
NASCAR | p2p blows | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
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North Babylon, NY | Re: p2p blows same here | |
| | tdkyo
join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY | Finally someone says something useful.  | |
| Bob0000
join:2003-08-18
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Gun Nut
@intel.com
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| Piracy v. Israel v. Palestine piracy
\Pi"ra*cy\, n.; pl. Piracies. [Cf. LL. piratia, Gr. ?. See Pirate.] 1. The act or crime of a pirate.
2. (Common Law) Robbery on the high seas; the taking of property from others on the open sea by open violence; without lawful authority, and with intent to steal; -- a crime answering to robbery on land.
(Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.)
Certainly this very name's connotations do not jive with what is happening here.
I am of the mind set that copying for personal use is not Piracy. If no one bought the product, no one could copy it. Hence it is not theft. You can't be stealing if you have the original and decide to copy it for your own reasons. If you buy something, it is now defacto your property to do with as you wish. If you can clone it, IMHO two is better than one, etc. As long as you don't try and resell the copies, there really is no issue here. Just because there is technology out there that easily allows for the copying of legally purchased goods, doesn't mean you get to redefine the definition of theft.
The RIAA is just trying to prolong the inevitable. The reality is they can't do business by their old school model anymore and they are kicking and screaming about it. New technology has made their product worth less because it is easily reproduced. Instead of working on options to make the originals more valuable than the copies, or trying to define new markets to compensate for the technology change, the RIAA is setting their own industry up for the ultimate failure. It will never be the same again.
As for Israel v. Palestinians, I am a Jew with an Israeli wife. No matter what I feel about the intricate details about how things are happening over there, one thing is for sure: If there is not some mutual recognition of each other's innate human right to exist and attempt to prosper without coercion or the threat of force, the issue can never be resolved.
Realistically, the incidentals and particulars don't matter if that can not be agreed upon. And if it can, then those issues also become meaningless.
The past cannot be undone. The future cannot be changed until both sides have a mutual respect for each other's lives. | |
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SpecOps
@optonline.net
| What or who is a Palestinian???? Can anyone in the world explain to me where to find "Palestine" on a map? No, I thought so. Ohh, you mean, you found something, is that the map of Planet Krypton? Please people, stop spreading the lie that there is a "Palestinian" People. I mean, there are Americans, they come from the United States of America. mexicans come from Mexico. Israeli's from Israel. Where do "Palestinians" come from? Before 1967, the Arabs who occupy Israeli land, when referred to as "Palestinian" denied it. It only stuck when they realized it is a way to possibly weaken Israel. These Terrorist vermin are eating their hearts out that all their attempts aiming at the destruction of Israel and every other country with values are failing miserably. Its funny though how in the short period that Israel exists, look how far and advanced they have become. Israel is very far from being a rich country. Then, In contrast, take a look at the Arab terrorist dictatorships who surround Israel and are seething with hate, look at them. With all the billions the Saudi's have, they cant figure out how to swat the flies that surround their stinking bodies. They are still living on camels, they havent given a damn thing to the world, they havent invented anything at all besides disgusting odors that attract flies. On top of all this, their huge sums of money is huged majorly to fund every terrorist organization across the world.
I think the best thing Israel can do for the "Palestinians" (who are arab squatters who occupy Israel) are to kick them out. If they hate Israel, why does israel need them. not only are they just a bunch of leeches (and if you have an argument about that, go there and take a look at how they live) and murderers.
If anyone has anything to tell me about being rascist or educated or anything else, The answer directly to you is experience is the best education. Instead of just repeating what you hear on the news or discussion forums or what "smart" professors etc etc, stop being another ignoramus and actually go there and see for yourself what the situation is like. See and hear for yourself what both sides have to say. See for yourselves, the constant attacks that the arab savages commit against innocent men, women and children. What would you do if Heaven forbid, in your countries where you live, constantly, there were bombings on buses and you would see your fellow citizens murdered constantly. I ask as well to all you "tolerant" left wing liberal ignorant wastes of lives, if you are so tolerant, then why do you love a people (the "Palestinians") who are intolerant of all. Since you are pretty ignorant, i will give examples. They fight with Christians who want to build churches. They do not allow anyone other than Muslims to pray on the Temple Mount (which Israel so stupidly after getting it back, gave to these animals). They burn daily, American and Israeli Flags.
Either way, this is getting longer than i expected. To sum it up, basically, there are no such things as "Palestinians". Also, i dont think Israel or any other country that wants to fight back against these devils whose whole religion is full of hatred (Winston Churchill compared the Koran to Mein Kampf) should feel guilty and think twice about it. I say, if they can't be tolerative of others, then others should not tolerate them and should remove them from their midst. | |
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sorne guy
@milwwi.ameritech | Re: What or who is a Palestinian???? What is a chimpanzee?
Those hairy things that live in Gombe National Park that Jane Goodall studies, live in zoos...
and oh yeah--you | |
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Ethex
@telepacific.net
| Error: * please provide catchy title So you have this place (the middle east) that’s about the size of a football field. You take a matchbook (Israel) and drop it on the field. That’s what they’re fighting over, a matchbook in the middle of a football field. The sad thing is that nobody likes the Palestinian people. The Arabs are definitely using them as pawns. They are hoping world opinion will sway Israel into leaving or something I really don’t know what the Arabs think is the best-case scenario. And though the Arabs are afraid of the Americans, that is not why they won’t help the Palestinian people. Besides the fact they don’t like them, Israel is a bad ass when it comes to world powers. How long did the six day war last? And now-a-days the Israeli air force is second to none in the region. When did war become so civilized? When was the last time you met a Carthaginian? The Romans knew how to occupy a state. ::sarcasm::
As for throwing rocks at people with guns, Darwinism in its purist form.
Music has been around for a long, long time. Since Ug & Er banged two rocks together and formed the first boy band. Record industry has been here a fraction of that time and will eventually change the way it does business or new players will be running the show. If I were governor I would let you download as much music as you want and let your ISP charge you a flat monthly rate. Why am I paying so much for cable anyway?
And as for the program, I like it so far but wanted to find out more info on it. Apparently this isn’t the place to find it. | |
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