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33 Million To Have 10Mbps By 2012
The nation's other 270 million apparently aren't so lucky...
by Karl Bode 12:48PM Tuesday Mar 04 2008
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According to a new pay report by Parks Associates, 33 million of the nation's 300,500,000 residents will have access to 10Mbps broadband by 2012. The group also breaks down market ownership among the largest broadband providers, noting that Comcast controls 22% of the market to AT&T and Verizon's 21% and 13% respectively.

Obviously the majority of customers will be somewhere around 3-7Mbps -- and the FCC's official classification of what constitutes broadband remains a paltry 200kbps. While the report cites optimistic growth and an increase in competition among well-served areas, the group does issue a warning in their press release:
quote:
"If high-bandwidth broadband services fail to reach mass-market consumers, the United States may lose its competitive edge in the next round of technology innovation," says analyst Yuanzhe Cai. "Such a scenario would be unpleasant."
Not fire ants in your trousers unpleasant, but unpleasant indeed. Many next-generation deployments are going to probably stop at between 40-50% of ISP footprints, as the providers run into the statistical wall where their number crunchers inform them it's no longer profitable to proceed (aka many third-tier cities and rural America).

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caco
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join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK

Mass-market

as in heavily populated areas. Don't look for rural deployments in other words.
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Nuts65

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Re: Mass-market

Amen!

rothan
Premium
join:2000-11-07
Wenham, MA
AFAIK, Fiber deployment to rural areas does not have any distance limitations like DSL for instance...still doesn't mean the companies will invest the extra cable to get out there though.

As for the comment about losing ground to other countries, I think US ISP's need to realize they have already lost major ground. The time to improve is NOW.

sjohnson3

join:2001-02-28
Sioux Falls, SD

Re: Mass-market

Some rural telcos are putting in FTTH, FTTF (farm), FTTR (ranch), well, you get it.

Goldenwest Telecom (South Dakota) is in the process of upgrading their entire network to FTTH. I was in the phone exchange that got switched first.

Pretty progressive. But, due to their tariff, they won't be changing any speeds until full deployment (or, until regional deployment is complete, at least). But they will be able to supply phone, internet and television, even to some very remote farms and ranches.
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Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey

I already had that

with OOL. 15/2 plus TV for about $65/mo. It's possible now, the ISPs just won't give it to us for a reasonable price.
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lew_jean

join:2005-05-13
Marietta, GA

Re: I already had that

I pay $114 for TV with HD all TVs, VOD, 260 shannels, ShowTime and Stars, 6/1M internet and a 1 DRV and 3STB

Beats Comcash in price, picture quality, and Internet being stable

Just my 2 cents

Lew N4HRA

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
Yup..
I can get 10/1 on Time Warner or 10/1.5 on AT&T, however it isn't _really_ cheap.

In general, I see ISP's keeping the 'very' basic tier (i.e. dialup converts) relatively cheap, while the plan for the masses are typically ~ 6Mbps, and a slight push to 10Mbps afterwards. The bean counters/marketers know what will make them the best profit.
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tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1

Re: I already had that

I've got 15/1 w/ TWC for $34.95.
+ HD package + digital cable
= $111/mo

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: I already had that

15/1 as a standalone for HSI for $34.95 is awesome.
I won't see it here, unless there's other apps tied in.

$111/month is still more than I want to pay,
as I have 3 tuners on DirecTV plus package, unlimited POTS/LD and 3Mbps/512kbps for $134 including all taxes/fees.
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·KCH Cable

lucky me

Well, I've got darn close to 10Mbps anyway ...Could bump up to the turbo intarweb plan I suppose...
Still, downloading at 1.2MBps (yes, MegaBytes/sec) isn't bad! That's the max anyway, most times speed settles down to around 900-1000KB/sec.

It really should be more widespread than that by then.

Strange to see people out of town w/fiber but their internet speeds are still 1.5Mbps like DSL. Someday I guess they could bump it up.

Heck, we should be aiming for that number of people at 100Mbps by then...

guhuna
5149.5
Premium
join:2001-03-31
Port Costa, CA

1 recommendation

Its easy.

All I have to do is go to my girlfriends house and BAM I've got 100mbps/100mbps pure ethernet. Hell I could get 1gig service if I wanted.

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12

1 recommendation

Re: Its easy.

said by guhuna:

All I have to do is go to my girlfriends house and BAM I've got 100mbps/100mbps pure ethernet. Hell I could get 1gig service if I wanted.
Everyone to guhuna See Profile's girlfriend's house!

We all know where it is already anyway.

guhuna
5149.5
Premium
join:2001-03-31
Port Costa, CA

2 recommendations

Re: Its easy.

shh, dont let a certain person know.
dadkins See Profile will steal all my bandwidthzz

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18

1 edit

1 recommendation

Re: Its easy.

LMAO!

She got Paxio?

I have all of what Comcast has to offer... without FiOS or U-Verse being here.

17.3mbps down(sustained) and 2.2mbps up(sustained).
I'll live!

guhuna
5149.5
Premium
join:2001-03-31
Port Costa, CA

1 recommendation

Re: Its easy.

Yep, gives me an excuse to go see her.
SilverSurfer1

join:2007-08-19

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So What

1. This is pathetic. Check with other countries such as Korea, where the average is 100 mbps.

2. I'll believe it when I see it. All else is just smoke being blown up everyone's collective broadband butt.
dlewis23

join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL

Re: So What

said by SilverSurfer1:

1. This is pathetic. Check with other countries such as Korea, where the average is 100 mbps.

2. I'll believe it when I see it. All else is just smoke being blown up everyone's collective broadband butt.
Yes but how many servers can push content too you at a 100mbps?

Most websites are only connected with 10mbps. So you get a 100mbps but you can almost never use it fully.
SilverSurfer1

join:2007-08-19

Re: So What

said by dlewis23:

Yes but how many servers can push content too you at a 100mbps?

Most websites are only connected with 10mbps. So you get a 100mbps but you can almost never use it fully.
Strictly your opinion based on your own (apparently minor) broadband need. I wasn't speaking exclusively about downloading web content, either. Speed isn't just about checking email on your AOL account.

Additionally, there are vehicles sold in the U.S. that can reach speeds up to 120-160 mph. A sane person wouldn't try to max out the speedometer, yet those particular models with the capabilities are still sold. Why? Because that's what consumers want.

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

1 recommendation

Oh stop comparing apples to oranges. You are talking about 98 Thousand square miles vs. 9.1 Million Square miles. There you have 1,288 people per square mile vs 84 people per square mile.

These companies have to actually make some money back on this stuff. It's not realistic to think that every ISP has the same type of budget that Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon have to deploy FTTH.

So if everyone started to deploy these networks everyone will cheer and then when they go bankrupt they will talk about how bad the idea was for them to spend the money on FTTH.
Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA

1 recommendation

Re: So What

How about we concentrate on the 80% of the US population that lives near the urban centers in equivalent density; instead of blaming Montana and Idaho for why Boston, and NYC have DSL and 6mb cable.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
Reviews:
·Comcast

Tax breaks aren't working then...

Tax breaks on broadband providers won't affect the profitability much. It's still more profitable for them to sell more services in the rich areas than spread out to rural/poor areas, tax break or not.

Instead, spend subsidies on the expensive part, the infrastructure building. Then its not unprofitable to sell service over the infrastructure. The bonus is that since the government built it, they can put open access requirements on it, and companies can compete without one footing the infrastructure bill.

AmericanPatriot

@qwest.net

Re: Tax breaks aren't working then...

These companies are in business to make money I for one with investments like to see that not change. Installing and selling in the richer neighborhoods makes fiscal sense. Thankfully we live in a constitutional republic with a free market economy, we do not need the government involved in Internet connectivity issues at all nor should there be any sort of subsidies offered at my dollars expense. Lower tax rates benefit everyone, companies are not tax payers they are tax collectors, raise the already high corporate tax rates, these companies just increase the cost of their services to us, a lose-lose situation. We have far too many government benefits programs now in this country time to cut people lose from that particular teat and let them swim or sink.

Living large in Colorado

Work

@charter.com

Sad but true, but....

the US is not a "free market". if it were a free market, the SEC would not exist, the Federal Reserve would not exist, we would not have roads/telephone/electricity/running water in rural areas, just to name a few things.

the united states is not a "Constitutional Free market". it IS however, a "Constitutional Socalist Democracy".

that said, however, i'm all for spending my tax dollars that we spend on...oh, i dunno, the outrageous salaries ex-higher ranking politicians (or any of the other outrageous things our gov't spends money on) on general infrastructure building in the US...

RR Conductor
NWP RR Inc.,serving NW CA
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Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1

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Re: Tax breaks aren't working then...

said by AmericanPatriot :

These companies are in business to make money I for one with investments like to see that not change. Installing and selling in the richer neighborhoods makes fiscal sense. Thankfully we live in a constitutional republic with a free market economy, we do not need the government involved in Internet connectivity issues at all nor should there be any sort of subsidies offered at my dollars expense. Lower tax rates benefit everyone, companies are not tax payers they are tax collectors, raise the already high corporate tax rates, these companies just increase the cost of their services to us, a lose-lose situation. We have far too many government benefits programs now in this country time to cut people lose from that particular teat and let them swim or sink.

Living large in Colorado
"I have what I want, to hell with the rest" ? That reminds me of the cartoon I saw in the paper once-This very rich man says "why should he pay taxes and support things he doesn't need?!", he has everything he wants, his estate has security, fire alarms, etc, etc, what a waste he says. Well, one day his systems break down, a thief breaks into his house and it catches on fire, he calls the police and fire and gets a message "due to lack of funding, we are no longer able to serve you". In other words, if this nation only built what was "profitable"
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MineCoast
Premium
join:2004-10-06
127.0.0.1

Huh?

I was just pulling 19.6 Mbps off newshosting last night. I have Cox.
extreme100
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI

Yawn...

See, this is why I'm such a Comcast fanboy. I'm out in rural hayseed Coloma, miles from the nearest DSLAM, and already have Comcast's 20/2 speeds.

It really wouldn't surprise me to have Comcast's 50/50 service by 2012.
Nuts65

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

1 edit

Re: Yawn...

replied to wrong post

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
said by extreme100:

It really wouldn't surprise me to have Comcast's 50/50 service by 2012.
Don't bank on it if you aren't in a fios area.
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Lone Wolf
Retired
Premium
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USA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL

33 Million Illegal Alliens To Have 10Mbps By 2012

Since they tend to gravitate to the cities rather than the rural areas, I can see the aliens with broadband.

The rest of the 150 million illegals entering the US from now to 2012 will have dial up in 2012 because they will be the poor ones.

Jammy
ja'Krinda
Premium
join:2000-11-03
Pittsburg, CA
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Reviews:
·Comcast

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I have watched speeds slowly go up as do the prices with Cox

Yet Cox comes out ahead as being a good provider. I have the 7000/512 package (Preferred) and I continuously get speeds of over 11000/555 on all of the speed tests here except for the East Coast.

I just tested my speed a couple of minutes ago:



I have a Cox Bundle with Internet, Digital TV (no Premium Channels), Monthly Insurance and Digital Telephone w/Control Plus package for under $79 a month.

Jammy

p.s. Wow . . .only 7 old-timers posted to this! (membership 2001 or earlier)

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Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL
Reviews:
·Windstream
·HughesNet Satell..

Re: I have watched speeds slowly go up as do the prices with Cox


I don't see the race to faster and faster internet.

I am very happy with 3M dsl service. My biggest complaint is when it's down, which hasn't been much.

The speed war is crazy. They sell you 10M service then tell you that you have a 20G monthly download limit in the fine print. This is to stop everyone from bit torrenting the network to a crawl.

Where as if all ISP's gave very reliable 3 to 6 m service it makes it much harder to clog their network pipes.
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