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clubs: | Good to know... Well I guess I'll have to carry a laptop around just in case I need to call for help in a low-cell coverage area. | |
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Rochester, NY | Re: Good to know... You can always use Palm-Pilot! | |
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Jammy
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| Re: Good to know... Or use your cell phone. And if you are lucky enough to have one of those new picture phones, take a picture of that wi-fi box while you are at it, lol.
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andrewe77
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Or use your cell phone. And if you are lucky enough to have one of those new picture phones, take a picture of that wi-fi box while you are at it, lol.
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Huh? He just said "low-cell coverage area"! | |
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Shanto20
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Scarsdale, NY | Cool This wifi hotspot thing is getting REALLY AWESOME
its like the entire United States going wireless.
Anywhere you go, you're still connected
Very Nice.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool Until you see your telco bill. | |
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Shanto20
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Scarsdale, NY | Re: Cool damn its not one of those free wireless internet
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klobb
join:2000-10-06 | It's free for Verizon DSL/Dial up users in NYC right now.. | |
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dddane
join:2002-01-10
Chicago, IL | said by klobb :
right now..
we'll see how long that lasts! | |
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GuggyFresh
join:2001-03-06
Sterling, VA | Re: Cool It definitely gives Verizon a competitive advantage. Once they put those things up there's basically no monthly cost. So if it reduces churn on their DSL, that's a good reason to keep it free. | |
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DrTCP
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Round Rock, TX | If Dial-up users can get Wi-Fi access free from Verizon, those that are living close to Wi-Fi hot spots will have rather cheap DSL level access (up to 3Mbps) rather cheap  | |
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oliphant5
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| Re: Cool said by DrTCP :
If Dial-up users can get Wi-Fi access free from Verizon, those that are living close to Wi-Fi hot spots will have rather cheap DSL level access (up to 3Mbps) rather cheap
Like most airport and other hotspots, they probably have time limits.
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Redwood Valley, CA | Good things in life are never free  | |
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool Or in the case of the telcos, bad things aren't free either | |
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Redwood Valley, CA | Re: Cool I think that is the case with most companies, telco, power or otherwise. | |
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Shanto20
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Scarsdale, NY | One cannot SEE the good things in life.
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Redwood Valley, CA | Re: Cool I see lots of good things, my family, my pets, my church, the ocean, my computer, trains | |
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oliphant5
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| said by Shanto20 :
One cannot SEE the good things in life.
I'm seeing it right now, Bucs@Falcons in HDTV, typing away on a 54g equipped laptop between plays. Life is good.
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Scarsdale, NY | Re: Cool I can rebut a lot of this, but i dont wanna change the direction of this thread.
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clubs: | Nice way to try to gloat eh? | |
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oliphant5
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| Re: Cool said by tommytran99 :
Nice way to try to gloat eh?
Wow, you mean I'm the only one in all of DSLR with an HDTV and Linksys AP?!? Geez, what's next for me, a super exclusive Camry? Or should I splurge on a toaster that cooks 4 slices at a time? Please, give your crayons a rest.
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU
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Until you see your telco bill.
If you could get a wifi phone (size of cell) that would be sweet! Not to mention no more radiation being beamed into your brain... Also say you had bell service and a wifi phone they should offer free local calls or whatever as if you were using your home land line.(You guys are thinking about iNET and using laptops to d/l stuff which would be vary expensive) Think about all the other cool uses it could have.
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oliphant5
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| Re: Cool I certainly wouldn't bitch if a telco offered a deal for bundled xDSL and Wi-Fi for $50 (eg $15-$20 than DSL alone). I understand there is a cost involved, but what I see on the horizon will be separate services (like land & cell), each with their somewhat hefty price.
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Brazil | It's pretty silly to believe that the telcos can blanket the country in WiFi (sure, hype being fueled by the Bells) when we can't even get full digital cell phone coverage...
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oliphant5
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| Re: Cool It's also pretty silly to believe that you would need 100% coverage to be successful. You digital cell example is a good one. You certainly can't argue the popularity of mobile phones, despite their lack of 100% nationwide coverage.
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Frederick, MD | If people didn't complain about wireless providers wanting to build cell towers "in their backyard". Then there would be more/better coverage. | |
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oliphant5
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| Re: Cool They make them into fake palm trees out here (where there are many). You have to look twice to realize it's a cell tower.
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join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL
| Payphones and antiques Well we all know that payphones are a very old technology and the Bells are starting to take out the payphones because everyone now has a cell phone so why use a payphone? Wi-Fi sounds like a good idea though. Most of those payphones are like antiques and nice for decorations. | |
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Youngsville, PA
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| Re: How about blackout...... Assuming that you have coverage almost everywhere and that there is power backups at the phone booth (not likely). The AP needs power and the other equipment there needs power. It would be difficult for the telco to provide that much power over that small of copper and for that distance. | |
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quanta
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Toronto, ON
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| Re: How about blackout...... Sustainable power remains an issue with VoIP systems. It's not really a technical issue (you can just UPS the switches, assuming the phones are getting inline power via Ethernet), but a cost issue.
Another possibility is to have an ordinary POTS system as backup.
Bell Canada has been spearheading this whole Wi-Fi payphone thing in North America, I'm proud to say. They're still free to use at no charge, although this may change shortly. They have WiFi hotspots on club cars on the VIA Montreal-Toronto trains too!
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Tomek
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: How about blackout...... Nice, looks like Canada is going forward faster than US. | |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | 50 cents... What are the pricing for these? 50 cents for 3 minutes like regular payphones. thats $10 an hour! thanks but no thanks.
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| 911??? Um yea lets just say i think highspeed companies have hit a new low of stupidity. So yea, many people own cell phones. I do. So many of us our jerks that sit on em ( Itry to avoid that, as someone mentioned.. ITS REAL BAD TO DO.. only emergencies. Yes sittin on a cell phone makes you worse than the 80 year old grandma who can't see over he wheel and once veered into my oncoming lane and scared the crap out of me.
MY POINT??? Just cause people have and use cell phones doesnt make them the END ALL ANSWER. Nothing is more secure than land lines. Look at the blackout folks had in NY. Cell phones didn't work but land lines did.
But hey, Im sure that person needing 911 services who only had access to a cell phone ( which wouldnt work), would be glad that there are now no land line payphones. See the ignorance in removing one of the last resorts people have to make a call... Well hey I know, lets just provide every american a free laptop ( sarcasm here) and then they can log on and instant message a buddy to call 911.. Thats right, the overly delayed Highspeed help system. Better yet, if your pc has a webcam, Why not capture that emergency to put in the family album ( more sarcasm). I'm sure the kids would love to see the mugging on tape. Hey this is me being mugged, this is me being beaten.. so on so forth. But yet, where's that phone when you need it... Hence, taking away pay phones is a REALLY dumb idea. I can attest for the fact, that even when there is no service, there also might not be roaming. When i went to Tennessee, my phone couldnt get out in the mountains less i payed 75 cents a minute to roam, and then it dropped the call umpteen times and cost me a fortune before i got one successful call out. All this could have been solved IF THEY HAD PAY PHONE. Moral of the story, Sometimes the old ways the good way. | |
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BlueSkye
join:2002-10-25
Los Angeles, CA
| Telco Monopoly Legacy It is a brilliant reuse of an existing (and somewhat antiquated) resource by Verizon. And it will help proliferate WiFi.
But it's also a good example of how the telcos have a huge competitive advantage against non-incumbent providers, based upon the telcos' origins as regulated monopolies.
It would be virtually impossible for a non-incumbent to build out a wireline network in a metropolitan area today (hurdles include government approvals, public right-of-way, availability of capital, incumbent barriers to entry). That is precisely why the telephone and cable companies were initially granted regulated monopoly status with the benefits that accrue thereto (public easements, no competition, access to capital, regulated profits, etc.)--precisely so they could build out such networks.
Can you imagine the cost to a competitive hotspot provider if it wanted to build such a network of WiFi access points in Manhattan today in a competitive environment. It would have to purchase thousands of 8 square foot pieces of Manhattan real estate in the open market and provide wired access to each of them.
Obviously impossible. Verizon's existing ownership of such a network of public phones is a vestige of time when Bell Telephone was a regulated monopoly. And that ownership is a HUGE competitive advantage--an insurmountable one.
And yet the telcos continue to whine about how they are hugely disadvantaged in the marketplace. | |
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join:2001-01-13
Brooklyn, NY | hmm they are adding Wifi to the payphones. I think they'll still keep the original phones. | |
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