  moby866 Premium join:2000-10-07 Above you | Good!
F*** Verisign. | |
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 |   Big Time Fuster Cluck Premium join:2002-10-19 Washington
| said by moby866 : F*** Verisign.
Couldn't have said it better myself.....but let me try: F*** Verisign. -- wolfhaven.org | |
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  Augustus III If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25 Gainesville, GA | yay this issue, affected me only 2 times, from all the times i've mistyped an URL. glad to see their wings getting clipped though. | |
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| Can someone explain... I understand that Verislime is the keeper of .com and .net, but when I register a .com, some of the money I pay must go somewhere other than my registrar and Verisign, correct? I'm assuming there's some common organization that gets a cut of all domain name registrations.
If that's true, then it seems that Verislime would owe payment for every unregistered web address it directed to it's server. | |
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 |   kapil The Kapil
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| Re: Can someone explain... All registrars pay the registry operator (Versign for com and net) a "wholesale" rate for domain registrations. Verisign calls it the registry fee. The last I checked, this fee was $6. Anything above this registry fee goes to your registrar.
Versign doesn't owe anything to anyone because no names were "registered". It operates the registry and controls the root DNS servers for the .com and .net TLDs.
Versign is contractually forbidden from being an registrar...but it gets around this by using different subsidiaries for the wholesale and retail registration business. -- ::: Do, or do not, there is no try:::»www.kapilville.com | |
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| Re: Can someone explain... Exactly! No names were registered but the root DNS is responding to all these new names. Someone should have to pay for each of these. When I register a name, I get a root DNS entry for my money. What Verisign has done is the equivalent of giving themselves a root DNS entry for every unregistered .com and .net name.
Of course, if the 6 bucks goes entirely to Verisign, it wouldn't matter if they were made to pay for each of those names. On the other hand, if a buck or two went to ICANN, that could add up fast.
Then there's the anti-trust issues. The only way another company can do the equivalent of what Verisign is doing would be to register every possible .com or .net name. Obviously, Verisign has an unfair advantage.
ICANN should force all registry operators to chip in a buck or two for every domain that their root DNS server responds to. That would stop this nonsense. | |
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| Re: Can someone explain... said by Kev9923: What Verisign has done is the equivalent of giving themselves a root DNS entry for every unregistered .com and .net name.
No it isn't.
Today, ijustmadethisnameup.com goes to Verisign.
I can register ijustmadethisnameup.com for myself.
By your theory, if Verisign had to pay for ijustmadethisnameup.com, either (a) I wouldn't be able to register it - since registration is a one-owner-only thing, or (b) they'd be entitled to a refund?
Sure, what they did was reprehensible. But let's not confuse the issue. | |
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  jose3030 Premium join:1999-08-17 Manassas, VA | ICANN dont play
Homey dont play that *BLAM oVER THE HEAD* | |
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| Down with big Business! Verisign is a greedy American Corporation...
They have demonstrated to us here that they are not capable of handling this responsibility, and thus this power should be revoked!
DOWN WITH VERISLIME!
Take them down ICANN!!!!!! [text was edited by author 2003-10-03 14:46:09] | |
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 |   kapil The Kapil
join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | Re: Down with big Business! ICANN itself is hardly a role model for ethical business practices. -- ::: Do, or do not, there is no try:::»www.kapilville.com | |
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| Re: Down with big Business! said by kapil : ICANN itself is hardly a role model for ethical business practices.
I agree... this fight is gonna be just like KaZaA vs. the RIAA. Both are slime. -- The tobacco industry is more respectable than the telemarketing industry. | |
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 |   technick Premium join:2000-12-16 Loganville, GA | Re: ICANN lol, reminds me of once upon a time in mexico city.
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  mondobyte Politically Incorrect Premium join:2000-05-12 Saint Charles, MO
| Just more unethical behavior from Verisign Lately I have received quite a few notices from Verisign even though my registrar is GoDADDY.
The Verislime folks keep sending these "urgent" notices that my registrations are about to expire and I could loose my domain names and offering to renew them at a hugely bloated $$ amount. (the permission to innitiate a transfer to Verislime is in very small print at the bottom)
On further review I find the soonest the domains will expire is 1 year and some as long as 3 years and there is no big hurry ... certainly no reason to panic!!!!
I hate ilk like this the purport to be respectable. These are just Mafioso or Drug Dealers who have invested in legitimate business to become respectable but their actions betray their true nature!
Hurray for ICANN ... I hope Verisign gets the boot -- Security through obscurity is no security at all | |
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 rgillis70 Premium join:2002-12-30 Herndon, VA | Get real! "VeriSign's SiteFinder service has been used more than 40 million times by Internet users in just over two weeks, Galvin said."
Oh really? I don't think it is fair to say it was "USED" whne you forced people that way! | |
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 |  DannyZ Gentoo Fanboy Premium join:2003-01-29 Erie, PA | Re: Get real! And forced to agree to their TOS too! | |
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 |  tjunker Premium join:2002-03-29 Houston, TX
| Surfers were forced to SiteFinder but no one who ended up there was forced to "use" the site. No doubt many clueless people did, but if there really were 40 million visits redirected by DNS to SiteFinder, it would be interesting to know how many of those 40 million resulted in any clicks on anything on the SiteFinder page. Very few, I suspect.
One has to think that many of the alleged 40 million visits were generated by annoyed Internet users exploring the weird phenomenon of surfing to invalid URLs in .COM and .NET and getting a sneaky Website instead of an error. | |
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join:2002-12-08 Collinsville, IL | Let's Drum them out
THese people can be replaced- very quickly. So let's cut the buttons of their jackets, break their digital sabers, and boot their *sses out the gate | |
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| ALL OVER!! Reuters UPDATE - VeriSign to halt new service as demanded Friday October 3, 3:38 pm ET By Elinor Mills Abreu
(Updates with ICANN comment, more background, VeriSign stock price) SAN FRANCISCO, Oct 3 (Reuters) - Web address provider VeriSign Inc. (NasdaqNM:VRSN - News) on Friday agreed to suspend a controversial new service that steers mistaken Web searches to its own page, acceding to a demand by the body that oversees Internet policy.
Earlier on Friday, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers issued a statement insisting that VeriSign halt its SiteFinder service and restore the ".com" and ".net" Web domains to the way they were before Sept. 15, when VeriSign began the service.
ICANN gave VeriSign until 6 p.m. PDT (0100 GMT) to comply with the request or face sanctions for violating its contract with ICANN.
"We will accede to the request while we explore all of our options," VeriSign spokesman Tom Galvin told Reuters.
ICANN spokeswoman Mary Hewitt declined to comment on Galvin's statement until she hears it from the company or sees it in writing.
VeriSign has defended its move, saying it was providing a convenience to Internet users who previously received an error message. The SiteFinder service directs searches for Web addresses that have been mistyped or not registered to a page that includes pay-for-placement topic links.
But Internet users, network administrators and rivals have cried foul, claiming VeriSign overstepped its authority.
"There have been widespread expressions of concern about the impact of these changes on the security and stability of the Internet," ICANN said in its statement.
SiteFinder is rendering spam filters ineffective, adversely affecting other automated Web tools and services, creating a single point of failure "that is likely to be attractive to deliberate attacks" and raising serious privacy issues, according to ICANN.
VeriSign's activation of SiteFinder is "not consistent" with its contract to serve as the main database keeper of all addresses in the ".com" and ".net" domains, ICANN added.
With the service, VeriSign is violating the contract's code of conduct and equal access obligations and failing to act as a neutral registry service provider, among other things, ICANN said.
Galvin said ICANN was using "anecdotal and isolated issues to attempt to regulate non-registry services, but in the interests of further working with the technical community, we will temporarily suspend SiteFinder."
Thwarting efforts such as providing new services will hinder innovation on the Internet, he added.
VeriSign's service has spawned at least three lawsuits against the Mountain View, California-based company.
ICANN previously asked VeriSign to suspend the service, but VeriSign instead said it would form an advisory panel.
VeriSign is not the first registry to test or implement a so-called "redirect" service. But its service impacts the majority of Web searches, as opposed to addresses ending in other domains, such as .biz.
VeriSign's SiteFinder service has been used more than 40 million times by Internet users in just over two weeks, Galvin said.
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| Re: im still getting verisign said by Rejected One : im still getting the redirect here
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 |  dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio | Since the deadline given by ICANN is 6pm PDT on Saturday 4th October, 2003, and since Verizon asked for (and did not get) an increased deadline, you might guess that 24 hours before the deadline, the change back will not have happened. | |
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 shuubz A Good Kind Of Pain
join:2001-02-12 Dexter, MI
| How long will this take?
I can "agree" to fly to the moon by flapping my arms.
I can delay the attempt indefinitely.
How long will they take to actually do what they agreed to do? Verisign has been a bad player for years. You don't get much sleazier than them.
I can say this: my company will need digital certificates in the next 6 months or so.
I GUARANTEE we won't be getting them from Verisign or Thawte.
Why would I trust a corp that broke the public's trust? Why would our customers trust the security provided by Verisign digital certs? | |
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  damonlab Premium join:2001-05-02 Detroit, MI clubs:  | it will take several hours If it is anything like registering a domain, it will take several hours before sitefinder gets knocked offline worldwide... besides, they have until tomorrow night to comply. | |
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| Taking Too Long It's still up...
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