The Great Rate DebateWhat's behind the cable hikes? ( old news - 12:09PM Saturday Oct 25 2003) tags: prices · competition · cableTipped by Karl Bode  Congressional investigators explore rising cable rates and claim potentially inaccurate FCC data makes finding the cause difficult. A study released by General Accounting Office indicates that while sports programming and network upgrades may be responsible, changing to a-la-carte programming (letting consumers pick their cable line-up) could result in even higher costs and the death of "niche" channels (see Associated Press or Atlanta Journal Consititution). This goes against suggestions made from Congress and organizations like U.S. PIRG (see their recent report). As criticism began to emerge from Senator John McCain and consumer groups, the industry consistently blamed programming costs and networks upgrades. One Time Warner public affairs exec recently opined: "You are dealing with the sports world and the entertainment world....We all know about the costs of entertainers and athletes today." The GAO indicates they weren't able to fully confirm this, arguing that the FCC data on cable competition " may not provide reliable information on the factors underlying recent cable rate increases." The GAO also reinforced statistics showing that when consumers have a choice of more than one cable provider, they'll typically pay around 15 percent less. According to the GAO, only around 2 percent of communities have access to more than one cable provider. The GAO also found that when satellite competition is present, local cable companies on average wind up offering a 5 percent broader selection of networks than they would otherwise. That's why groups like the Consumer's Union have shrugged off networks upgrades and programming costs as the culprit, and instead blame monopoly strangle-holds for the hikes (as they reported in this January 2003 report). The report argues that revenues for the cable industry are exploding, with each $1 price hike on average resulting in an $800 million increase in revenues. The report also argues that around one-third of the cable providers have partial ownership of national networks; a half have partial ownership of local networks; so the money profited from increased programming costs is often simply being transferred from one subdivision of a corporation to another. The CU suggests that "merger mania" is more responsible for increased costs than programming or network upgrades. Both the Consumers Union and U.S. Pirg argue that this kind of monopoly control affects broadband pricing as well. While the GAO urges the FCC to improve their data collection methods, McCain, who promises hearings on the issue soon, summed up the GAO's findings simply: consumers "continue to be fleeced by their cable operators." Related:- Comcast Brings 50Mbps To DC
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 Sprinter99
join:2003-10-10 Grants Pass, OR
| oh the shame... A government agency reported inaccurately? Well now I've seen it all.
P.S. First Post! *does a little happy dance* [text was edited by author 2003-10-25 12:33:35] | |
|  |   ronpin Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06 Nirvana | Re: oh the shame... They should be more careful -- next thing ya know the 'gummit might think the Economy is in recovery or something. | |
|   kfsutops Premium join:2002-08-19 Brandon, FL clubs: 
| This will surely help Adelphia. "That's why groups like the Consumer's Union have shrugged off networks upgrades and programming costs as the culprit, and instead blame monopoly strangle-holds for the hikes (as they reported in this January 2003 report). The report argues that revenues for the cable industry are exploding, with each $1 price hike on average resulting in an $800 million increase in revenues."
Just think how many more golf courses Adelphia could by with the added money from their recent price increase. Three increases this year. As mentioned in the article, Adelphia masking the increases and ala-carte programming. More smoke and mirrors from the cable industry and Adelphia especially. -- You ask me why I hate Adelphia? They can't even give me a pay-per-view football game when the channel guide shows it's available. | |
|   Camelot One Premium,MVM join:2001-11-21 Sarasota, FL clubs:
| When satellite is "present"? quote: The GAO also found that when satellite competition is present, local cable companies on average wind up offering a 5 percent broader selection of networks than they would otherwise.
What are the criteria for this? Satellite is technically available to anyone without a tree or building blocking their view of the sky....
And I have satellite...I have also tried the local cable. I can't even imagine the how it could be worse, certainly not 5% worse, as this claims it should be here. They charge more for the basic digital package than I pay for satellite, and after eliminating the duplicate programming channels, 80% of them are analog. And though that used to not mean much, the added bandwidth running over the lines from the digital channels and internet connections have made the analog channels look even worse. I would put it at about the quality of the super long play recording setting on a cheap VCR. -- AMD XP2500+ @2300mhz/ Asus A7N8X Deluxe rev 1.04/ 2x 512Mb Kingston HyperX PC3500/ WD 120Gb on serial/ Gainward GF4 4600/ Enermax 465P-VE/Custom water cooler | |
|  |   Sarick It's Only Logical Premium join:2003-06-03 USA
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| Re: When satellite is "present"? The people that can't get cable are also having it hard.
Dish, DirectTV, C-band.
C-band is the cheapest but isn't for the average customer. It's also a lot of upkeep.
Dish and DirectTV One and the same, based on recent changes they model themselves after each other.
-- Sarick's Dungeon Clipart Page Trouble spelling? www.iespell.com | |
|  |   phxmark What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27 Glendale, AZ
| said by Camelot One : quote: The GAO also found that when satellite competition is present, local cable companies on average wind up offering a 5 percent broader selection of networks than they would otherwise.
What are the criteria for this? Satellite is technically available to anyone without a tree or building blocking their view of the sky....
Unless you live in an apartment, condo, or house that is part of a Home Owners Assoc. that have rules or policies that forbid you from putting in a satellite system. Some rules and policies at these locations will not allow you to put an external antenna up. Esp at most apartments and condos.
And some Arizona HOAs and their runaway rules strictly forbid a satellite antenna if is is visible from outside your property. -- Still living on Dial-Up. | |
|  |  |   Camelot One Premium,MVM join:2001-11-21 Sarasota, FL clubs:
| Re: When satellite is "present"? said by phxmark : Unless you live in an apartment, condo, or house that is part of a Home Owners Assoc. that have rules or policies that forbid you from putting in a satellite system. Some rules and policies at these locations will not allow you to put an external antenna up. Esp at most apartments and condos.
Federal law prohibits condos, home owners associations, and now even apartment complexes from preventing you access to satellite.
There are a few restrictions they can put on it, such as you have to use a certain color dish, certain type of mount, etc, but they can no longer flat out deny you permission to put up a dish. Now, it can be tricky, normally in an apartment or condo, the only mounting method the law gives you a right to is a non-penatrating, self contained on balcony tripod type mount, which obviously doesn't work if you don't have a clear view of the southern sky, but this is still a per case basis.
Not that it matters though, because the article is refering to "markets" in which satellite isn't an option, not homes. Most cable markets are city/county wide, so it would be tough to find an entire market that couldn't get satellite. -- AMD XP2500+ @2300mhz/ Asus A7N8X Deluxe rev 1.04/ 2x 512Mb Kingston HyperX PC3500/ WD 120Gb on serial/ Gainward GF4 4600/ Enermax 465P-VE/Custom water cooler | |
|  |  |  |  |   Camelot One Premium,MVM join:2001-11-21 Sarasota, FL clubs: | Re: When satellite is "present"? Well now I had forgotten about the NRTC...but with the NRTC, isn't satellite the ONLY option for TV? | |
|  |  |  |  |   liongood9
join:2003-05-02 Anaheim, CA | Cable price increase is not fair It's not fair for cable's price to be increased. | |
|   godsmack
join:2003-06-08 | If it means anything
The cable Co. fund their future projects in part by raiseing your current rates............. | |
|  |  sd70mac666
join:2003-06-05 Saint Albans, VT | Re: If it means anything can't they fucking do that without raising their rates, I mean I'm paying out the nose for crap. I only use my TV for a few channels MTV, VH-1 and commercial free music channels included | |
|  |  |  |  |  lucky178
join:2000-11-06 Coshocton, OH
| Re: If it means anything we pay almost $39 a month for analog cable, adelephia has been promising us cable interenet since december 2000 and yet to have seen it now they are telling us december 2004 but in august sbc finally got dsl here so i think i'm going to switch to sat to save some money | |
|  |  |  |   Dirk Daring
join:2000-08-03 Ashburn, VA | Re: If it means anything Order Dish. You will love it. I refuse to go back to Adelphia cable TV. I'll move first. -- CD buying policy: I only buy blanks. | |
|  bt06437
join:2001-12-03 Carrollton, TX
·Verizon FIOS
| an order of ala carte please
I have 47 channels I never watch, and 38 I might view. I'd like ala carte purchasing soon. This insane method of selling stations in "tiers" is of no benefit to me, and the way I see it, the method keeps programmers on the air that other wise would fold. Its bad enough the cable companies have filled the lower tiers with tons of shoping & religious programs...and I have to buy them first as a basic tier. Now, here in Dallas, comcast has added in a handful of all-Spannish speaking channels. ala carte please !! | |
|  |   godsmack
join:2003-06-08 | Re: an order of ala carte please You got my vote for Ala Carte............There must be atleast 2 dozon channels I don't watch like or even understand (spanish)!!!! | |
|  |  |   Sisqo World Champs. Babe Who? Premium join:2002-08-14 Methuen, MA | Re: an order of ala carte please
Directv looks better & better every single day. I'm so sick of cable hikes once I purchase my house there is no doubt in my mind I won't be going back to cable | |
|  |  |  rmdir
join:2003-03-13 Chicago, IL | I don't speak a word of spanish either, but man oh man, the women on there are to die for. | |
|  |  |  CrazyJr
join:2003-02-27 Oakland, CA
| Disculpme, yo quiero ver los caneles en espanol para saber que lo que esta pasando in my pais en los anuncios.
Excuse me, I like to look at the Spanish channels so that I can know what is going on in my country that is in the news.
RE: ala carte, the problem with that is certain channels will cease for lack of viewership, especially the specialty ones. | |
|  |  WangFubar
join:2003-10-02 Paradise, CA
| I have the basic first 20 or so channel package which is my local channels plus Discovery and my local community college distance learning channel. At $13 per months it's not cheap, but I wouldn't touch the higher priced products because there is no value in them for me. I have the major networks and the picture quality is better than an antenna would provide. My cable provider has been 3 different companies in the last 7 years (all said they were going to offer high speed cable internet....still waiting) but all have offered the local channel package. If you want to have fewer crummy channels and don't want premium sports packages / movie packages which require top tier service consider going with basic. | |
|  |   ifarrell
join:2000-08-10 Willow Spring, NC
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| I have argued this point with our local Time Warner for years. But they always whine "we won't make any money that way". My argument is that they will be able to tell which channels people like and which one they don't. I don't care about Sports, MTV, Soap or CSpan. But I know there are some that do, but don't force me to pay for something I don't want to watch. For instance, about a year ago Time Warner moved Disney from Digital Premium Tier to Extended Tier. They said it was to improve the variety on the Extended Tier but then hiked the price up another $1.50. Give me a break. I called them and said I didn't ask for Disney but they said since they had more than 2% of the subscribers ask for this they felt in the interest of customer satisfaction they had to. What about the other 98% of us who don't give a rip? Time for Ala Cart Service NOW!!!!! | |
|   Thran
join:2002-01-05 Hibbing, MN
| Cable tiers I sell cable periodically now for cable companys (contract worker) I I get the question alsot "when are the cable companys going to start to offer packages where I can choose what I want.
Answer-most cable runs just down a line and you dont need a box for it. If you want specific channels youd have to have a digital converter adn the cable office would have to program to you very wants. think of the man power that would require and how much it would cost to employ those people.
Personally I agree. I only watch about 5-7 channels. Id enjoy only paying 2 bucks a channel but that wont happen any time soon. | |
|   linicx Caveat Emptor Premium join:2002-12-03 United State
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| We all need to remember What is wrong with this picture?
While government agencies squabble and cable companies quietly raise rates for the nth consecutive year, We The People are all being treated like mushrooms -- as usual. It doesn't take a brain surgeon, or much time for that matter, to read the C-Band channel lineup.
Thirty percent of the programming offered nationwide by cable companies and the mini-digital dish is "in the clear." Simply put, it is free. Forty percent of the subscription channels such as A& E cost very little when purchased in bulk. The greatest cost of programming is spread among the channel giants like Disney, CNN, the Super Stations, and sports packages.
The boys in the beltway need to sharpen their wits along with their pencils and start asking *pointed* questions of the program providers who beam their signal via satellite to the C-Band dishes owned by every cable company. The C and KU bands, as well as analog signals, are not dead yet. They are very much alive and functioning 22,000+ feet above the earth. The only people who are not profiting from this cash cow are the customers.
The US has 8% of the world's population, and 80% of its lawyers. Guess where most of the lawyers work? Hint: It isn't Sioux City, Iowa or Sweetwater, Texas. [text was edited by author 2003-10-26 01:02:53] | |
|  |   bigunk Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10 Santa Clarita, CA
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| Re: We all need to remember said by linicx : What is wrong with this picture?
The C and KU bands, as well as analog signals, are not dead yet. They are very much alive and functioning 22,000+ feet above the earth.
All due respect to you Linicx, you may want to check how high those C and Ku satellites are flying. You said 22000+ feet above the earth. Technically, I guess you are right, but the "+" would refer to roughly 117394640 feet. Now, I'm sure you simply typed in feet instead of miles, but for reference, your spec could allow a climber to look down upon the satellites from Mt. Everest, which at its peak measures 29,035 feet.
Where do my smart-assed comments come from? I used to install C and Ku dishes and I had two trailer-mounted dishes for mobile downlinks. A 3.7M and a 5M.
So it seems I simply have too much time on my hands, searching for mistakes rather than seeing the larger picture.
Have a nice day... | |
|  |  |   linicx Caveat Emptor Premium join:2002-12-03 United State
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| Re: We all need to remember Thank you for pointing out the mathematical difference between feet and miles. It is greatly appreciated. I highly suspect you didn't miss the point at all. 
One of the best cable services I ever saw was owned locally. It was a one-man operation to thirty houses. I was one of the lucky recipients. We were offered a mix of twenty subscription channels like ESPN, CNN, TNN and free channels for $20.00 per month. Services like HBO were additional. We also received the "free" HBO programming offered twice yearly.
It was the worst day in local history when our cable operator sold his operation. It's since been sold 5-6 times. Each new owner charges more for less, and service declines with the quality of the signal received.
I'm not against the small operator making a buck. It takes capital to start a cable operation and keep it running. I am however, against national cable providers making huge profits by selling "in the clear" feeds and lying to the customer.
It is impossible to make an informed choice when the truth is hidden under layers of fine print most lawyers do not understand. Education is powerful stuff. We need more of it. [text was edited by author 2003-10-26 11:09:05] | |
|  |  |  |   bigunk Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10 Santa Clarita, CA
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| Re: We all need to remember I see what you're saying here. I remember the early days of C band, when the scrambling started. VideoCipher 2 was the system they chose.
In a lot of areas, you could only buy programming through the local cable company, and they made sure to price it at or somewhat above their offerings. 'Course, the only way to not buy from them was if they were not in your neighborhood. They defined your neighborhood as within a mile or two of the closet wired residence, so all bets were off in cities where they were merely close.
Soooooooo........ people started hacking the VCII code. What a time that was. The technology went through a painful and expensive evolution, with a lot of people going to jail.
Then along came a situtation where if you had, say, an apartment community and had just installed your own SMATV system (or even if you had not), the cable companies were granted automatic easements to come in and wire your property, even if you did not want them there. Property owners were up in arms, especially since the cableco's were hiring the cheapest install crews in the business, and they made Swiss cheese (or maybe Jarlsberg) of most properties they touched.
Seems to me the backlash is in full swing. I hope it shakes out for the consumer, for it is the consumer who makes the cableco's very existence possible. I just hope the cableco's don't make another move toward communism and buy a politician that will mandate everyone have cable and mandate payment, then offer garbage for the price, with no alternative. Kinda like state-owned information ministries in China and Iraq, et all.
The future should be interesting..... | |
|   Sarick It's Only Logical Premium join:2003-06-03 USA
·FrontierNet Intern..
| I'm not on cable but I know the feeling. Please excuse my lack of writing skill, it's late.
I'm on dish network. Every year the cost go up it seems as though everything par-tier go's up $5 at a time.
Recently I was informed of the PVR receivers getting replaced with the improved 510 DVR systems. I was happy to hear that I could trade my 501 in for the increased 100 hour DVR unit for $99.
Wow!
Then I found out that the bad news, the upgrade would come at a huge cost. The cost for the new system would have a monthly TAX/SERVICE fee. I ask Dish rep what the fee was for and literally fell on my rear to hear that dish network decided that the PVR type devices 510 and up would require a up to $10 a month service charge for the features that where free in the 501's.
You can imagine how Irate I was being told I would need to pay upward of $60-$120 a year for a feature that is comparable to a remote hand held remote control.
I see this as an example of how cable can subsidize their loyal customers while appeasing new consumers. It's a sad fate that large companies are doing these days. Making the free cost money. Comparing this added service charge with the methods telco's operate I can see why prices are getting jacked up. It's not because they have to all the time. The majority of cost hikes are decided by the controlling interest that stand to make the most gains.
If they can get away with it they will. When will people learn the bigger it is the harder it falls.
The Current promo offers a free DVR system, how could they call it free if it's rented. 
As a rule of thumb, where there is money to be made someone will take advantage of it, even if it drops a few heads in the process, as long as it's legal.
Cable will continue to have price increases until people aren't around to pay for it. Just like spam as long as people are buying from it the spammer will spam. And Spam And Spam.
So next time you think about these package deals and all the channels you are paying for that you don't want. compare it to spam. -- Sarick's Dungeon Clipart Page Trouble spelling? www.iespell.com | |
|  |   zoom314 Superman Premium join:2001-04-30 Yermo, CA
| Re: I'm not on cable but I know the feeling. Well If You like TiVo, then one of these two Pioneer models will really be interesting I would think. The Pioneer DVR-810H and the Pioneer DVR-57H, Both are at »www.pioneerburner.com/ And one can burn what one likes to DVD now and store It offline permanently.
-- Charter Pipeline rules in Hesperia, CA, Verizon (ex-GTE) sucks..... [text was edited by author 2003-10-26 15:49:15] | |
|   ifarrell
join:2000-08-10 Willow Spring, NC | What's behind the cable hikes?
Greed. Pure and simple. | |
|  |  |  SanJoseNerd Premium join:2002-07-24 San Jose, CA
| Liars! quote: As criticism began to emerge from Senator John McCain and consumer groups, the industry consistently blamed programming costs and networks upgrades. One Time Warner public affairs exec recently opined: "You are dealing with the sports world and the entertainment world....We all know about the costs of entertainers and athletes today."
Last week the New York Times reported that Comcast is paying over $200 million less for programming this year than last year, and expects a further reduction next year. The Times didn't give figures for other cable companies, but did say that the situation at Comcast is in line with industry trends.
So when they talk to Wall Street, the cable companies brag about how they're increasing profits by cutting programming costs. But when they talk to the public, they say they have to raise rates because programming costs are rising. Liars. | |
|  |   TheMadSwede Premium join:2001-01-30 Holland, MI
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| Re: Liars! said by SanJoseNerd : So when they talk to Wall Street, the cable companies brag about how they're increasing profits by cutting programming costs. But when they talk to the public, they say they have to raise rates because programming costs are rising. Liars.
Finally - a tactic that the cable companies and Bells can see eye-to-eye on! -- Cable Cable Cable...keep that cable rolling. | |
|  mlohrwork
join:2001-05-30 Laurel, MD
| Cable has no motivation to control in urban areas
I pay $48 dollars a month(total bill) for basic Comcast cable and because of neighbors trees have no alternatives. The cable company originally claimed only digital cable was available at $57 dollars a month desiring to enhance their revenues.
I wish we had two cable companies like nearby Anne Arundel County MD. Rates are lower!!!
I remain with Covad just to deny the cable company. | |
|  niccolus Niccolus Leader Of Midgets Premium join:2003-10-22 Long Beach, CA
| Franchises
You know its actually the cities that benefit more from the way the cable companies set up their areas because the cities themselves set up the franchise rules. The cities normally set the rules on how many days you have to be installed by and what criteria the cable companies have to meet to have those area but what is unknown by most of the customers is that the city can also regulate the price paid for cable because I know of a city in the cable system I work for that told us that if we are to service their area that they are to be charged about 10% less than the other surrounding areas. If enough people lodged a complaint in an area or signed a petition lodging a general complaint about the fact there is only one cable company available then the city could allow for another company to bid for the area. | |
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