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| Re: That ought to last about two weeks... Here’s an interesting link for those unaware of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights group. And for those heavily involved in file sharing, they have a link to check if your file-trading user name or IP address have been subpoenaed.
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| Try turning on a radio. It's basically the same thing, without the playback controls & transmitted through free space rather than a wire. Radio is why there is the so-called "analog loophole" (and RIAA-originated term). Before the DMCA, there was no "analog loophole" because there was nothing to *have* a loophole. We were all just allowed fair use like we should be. Sadly, 1984 seems to be coming about 20 years later than Mr. Orwell imagined. | |
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| Re: That ought to last about two weeks... said by ---:
With exceptions of course - playing a radio station in a business in order to create atmosphere obligates the business to pay royalties.
Which is nothing but bullsh*t logic. Everyone involved with music already makes enough money-- why must they charge businesses to play for consumers what would otherwise be freely available in their cars? Shame, shame, shame...
And they wonder why people don't feel the least bit sorry for them when they falsely inflate their "losses" to online "piracy". (in quotes for a big reason there...)
Yeah, I know that this has been the case for quite some time, but it still shouldn't make it any more acceptable. If someone buys a CD, they should have the right to play it under whatever circumstances they choose. If someone buys a radio, they should have the right to turn it on under any circumstances they choose. And both of these examples should include businesses and the like, no matter how many customers happen to be standing around. Greedy, greedy, greedy.
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| Re: That ought to last about two weeks... said by NOVA_Guy  :
said by ---:
Everyone involved with music already makes enough money
Actually, not everyone involved with music makes enough money. The actual artist make pennies on the dollar for the music they write/sing/perform.
An exaggerated point is that for the $1-million an artist' CD will make, the Recording industry ass. of America takes over $900K out of it and leaves the remaining $100K to be divided among the actual artist, promotional expenses, and every other "little person" who helped make that CD.
And should "piracy" start to eat away at the profits, the Industry just takes those "lost sales" out of the $100K and not their own $900K.
Like that commercial for the MPAA with Ben affleck that says "dont pirate, it hurts the little people". Well if the studios didnt pay the actors such outrageous wages for just learning a script that another harder worker spent time writing, it might not be so bad. Sean connery made only $100K for his first movie "Dr. No" in 1962, but in 2003 he was paid $17-million for League of Extrordinary Gentlemen. Now that is some serious "cost of living" increase...
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said by NOVA_Guy :
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Everyone involved with music already makes enough money
Actually, not everyone involved with music makes enough money. The actual artist make pennies on the dollar for the music they write/sing/perform.
An exaggerated point is that for the $1-million an artist' CD will make, the Recording industry ass. of America takes over $900K out of it and leaves the remaining $100K to be divided among the actual artist, promotional expenses, and every other "little person" who helped make that CD.
And should "piracy" start to eat away at the profits, the Industry just takes those "lost sales" out of the $100K and not their own $900K.
Like that commercial for the MPAA with Ben affleck that says "dont pirate, it hurts the little people". Well if the studios didnt pay the actors such outrageous wages for just learning a script that another harder worker spent time writing, it might not be so bad. Sean connery made only $100K for his first movie "Dr. No" in 1962, but in 2003 he was paid $17-million for League of Extrordinary Gentlemen. Now that is some serious "cost of living" increase...
There needs to be a new entity to replace the RIAA, that's all so unfair to the artists and crews who do all the work. Administration makes 9/10's of the profits, and that's just plain lame.
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join:2001-06-20
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| Now I know why the RIAA is silent Microsoft is backing this. They are operating under the long standing license that a University has always had. The law also is different for a analog feed over video line.
This is so cool MIT has used the law to screw over the RIAA. The license they have is a performance license, and
because of it recording studios are cut out of the loop.
performance royalties go the artist not the studio's. The studio's have publishing rights, not performance rights.
In the past publishing was where the money was at. The performance rights belong the musicians. Now the contracts leeched most of this money back to pay for promotion, publication, the recording engineer's cocaine habit, etc. But once the cost had been recouped the performance money was for the most part the bands, and what ever deal they had with their manager, if they have one. That is until they returned to the studio to make another recording, at which time they where right back into indentured servitude.
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well isn't sueing the american way????
Has been for two centuries.
Remember, Abe Lincoln was a trial lawyer.
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| damm... first post Well it looks like to me that MIT is just like any regular radio station... stockpiles of music and distribute them via radio waves or analog singles on cable... so they'd have to pay same royalties as the radio stations. Doesn’t help out those who are sharing via irc, kazaa, winmx. They may be a technology school but if they broadcast then that’s not really file sharing is it??? | |
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Warren, MI
| There's nothing wrong with this. They are not file sharing.
They are not making or distributing illegal copies of music.
What they are doing is broadcasting. And as long as they have a broadcasting license (which the article states they have), then there is nothing wrong.
What's new and somewhat clever is that they are doing a sort of broadcast on demand service with a web based interface. Hopefully they are filling out their patent paperwork as various cable companies and such are working on similar setups (as long as this doesn't already violate an existing patent).
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join:2000-12-28
Palm Harbor, FL | No big deal here allot of digital cable subscribers like myself allready have 200+ music channels frome cable TV.
Like Backitup said a Simple hookup to TV - PC is easy to store them. | |
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apsinkus
join:2002-06-25
Chicago, IL
| I would be surprised... I would be surprised if there was any lawsuit in this case. Why? Read copyright law and its provisions for broadcasters.
These guys are smart. Remember that channel that was on TCI and some other cable networks "the box". Same model - no lawsuit. And if kids copy that off broadcast - "fair use". RIAA can't claim that artists get ripped off, because school has BMI/ASCAP/SESAC blanket licenses which protect them from RIAA's claims as long as it goes via their broadcast system and they continue sending songs plaid to BMI or let BMIs (forgot the name of the system) computers listen into the system so they could account for songs plaid. Artists won't mind, because every time student plays a song it goes towards the artist "air time" count and makes them look more popular, which helps them sell more (because stores will stock more of their stuff due to perceived demand). | |
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join:2000-08-03
Ashburn, VA
| Not for long.... '(MIT has a license allowing analog broadcasts).'
Not for long, they wont. I'd bet the RIAA is loading their lawyers into the cannons as we read this.
Gotta admit tho... these 2 guys have some big kahunas to do something like this.
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Boca Raton, FL | I have an idea... Lets publicize the hell out of it so everyone will go Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh, that is so cool.
... see you in court.
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Collinsville, IL | Oooh boy..
and then the technological illiterates will be fighting the MIT students..
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
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| Fred's a good guy, but what's he smoking? "I hope the record industry takes note and realizes this is a whole lot more promising than suing people."
This guy is a real optimist. I don't think anybody, anywhere should expect the record industry to come to their senses any time soon. I personally hope they don't ever come to their senses; that makes it more likely that they will fade away faster to the trash heap of history. | |
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Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
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| Re: RIAA can take a hike. The story just hit CNN. Kudos to these guys is right! 
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: RIAA can take a hike. Boohoo to the RIAA crybabies. Listen RIAA, they PAID for the music and YOU didn't get the cut, so STFU, you have enough $ as there is (from ripping most artists off) | |
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Alabaster, AL
| Re: RIAA can take a hike. said by mrchris :
Boohoo to the RIAA crybabies. Listen RIAA, they PAID for the music and YOU didn't get the cut, so STFU, you have enough $ as there is (from ripping most artists off)
What are you talking about? I thought the RIAA had no comment. Did I miss something? | |
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
join:2003-07-28
Corpus Christi, TX
| The fight against RIAA This is a consumer war vs the music industry. The money for songs should go to artists and not the RIAA. If any one believes the RIAA is realing give money to the artists thru this lawsuit ordeal; they need to wake up. The money will go to pay their legal fees. Think about all the money involved in this file sharing fiasco. The artists aren't making a penny from these lawsuits. This is about the RIAA's control over music. The RIAA wants to control how their customers obtain and listen to music. There is a boycott on CD's and DVD's. The RIAA is losing money. We have seen the true nature of the RIAA beast. It doesn't care about little girls and grandmas.
I salute MIT in their battles. We need to win more key battles before the music war is over.
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NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOME PEOPLE HATE THE MUSIC INDUSTRY THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT HATE BANKS AND THAT HATE DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO ROB BANKS. TO ROB MUSIC AND BANKS IS AGAINST THE LAW.
ONE LITTLE EXAMPLE, WHAT IF YOU START PRINTING YOUR OWN MONEY? YOU THINK THAT IS CORRECT. HOW ABOUT PIRATING THE SOFTWARE FROM MICROSOFT.
PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY IS POWERED INTO A RECORDING, PROMOTION etc.
ABOUT MIT THAT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME, AFTER ALL THE BIGGEST THIEVES, GRADUATE FROM THIS UNIVERSITIES. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| Re: The fight against RIAA Dude... chill on the all caps. First off nobody is being robbed. Nothing is stolen. Not even the 'piracy' term is accurate. Have you looked at the sales figures? Do you really think the music industry is hurting because of P2P? It's still one of the highest revenue generating businesses out there. Have you checked the sales figures from more than just the big labels? What about the independent labels that are getting strong gains in sales and thank P2P for it? What about the fact that album sales across the board were on the rise when Napster was going strong?
Music is not a commodity. It's art. Art has a tendency to be shared by those who love the work. Just because people are sharing music they bought doesn't mean the artists, record execs, mailroom attendant and the rest of the people in the big music making machine aren't getting paid. That's propaganda that the RIAA is spewing. Instead of taking the RIAA's word for everything why not listen to the artists instead?
»www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/mu···=2007230
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| Wow, some of you are nuts What is it about being PERFECTLY LEGAL that doesn't make sense? Oh I'm sure the RIAA will sue, but watch it get tossed out of court and have MIT countersue for wasting their time and resources.
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join:2002-01-03
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| RIAA won't beable to touch them Cable companies do it and have done it for a while. The only difference I see is that they let students select lists, but this is no different than calling a radio station and requesting songs. If the RIAA sued MIT, then they would have to sue anyone that broadcasts music. The problem here is that its the music broadcasters that popularize music and sell cds. | |
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join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA
| Sounds like college radio to me Unless I'm missing something...
You can't play what you want, when you want, you have to "tune in". It's apparently slightly better than FM radio, not CD quality. You still are stuck with their selection of music that was built by consensus. It's a very localized "controlled" listening service. Not fileshare.
Sounds like a college radio multi-play-list with a web interface to me.
Clever, sure.
Groundbreaking? Maybe only legally.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Re: Sounds like college radio to me Go here for an example of this type of streaming. When
you get to the site be sure to check in on their Webcam's
real cool, pun intended.
»www.anetstation.com/
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I'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
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| Re: Sounds like college radio to me said by Transmaster :
Go here for an example of this type of streaming.
»www.anetstation.com/
Wow, when I click through, it load my iTunes with a list of music to choose from, that's pretty wild. Just 24kbps. So how is this legal? I can trap the stream while playing, easy enough. Although I can't pin down the genre of most of the list it loaded to me. Anyhoo.... thanks for the link. | |
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join:2003-10-28
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| Re: Sounds like college radio to me Thanks, I run ANETSTATION and there's a section at the station that explains the technology used. BUT! and it's the big BUT of the entire conversation, what everyone seems to not notice is that the monopoly the music industry has deprives everyone from hearing an incredible wealth of talent. You only get to listen to talent the record industry owns. (perhaps slightly over generalized) Safe for radio stations to play. Safe for chain stores to sell. Holstein music for the Holstein age. Wearing Holstein clothes, Holstein jobs, Mooooo! If it's not Holstein it's not good. NOT! Good is not about being popular or well-known. Good music is good. If you don't know it exists because it doesn't get airtime or shelf space in the stores, you don't get good. You get Holstein.
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| Re: Sounds like college radio to me said by ANETSTATION :
...the monopoly the music industry has deprives everyone from hearing an incredible wealth of talent. You only get to listen to talent the record industry owns. Good is not about being popular or well-known. Good music is good. If you don't know it exists because it doesn't get airtime or shelf space in the stores, you don't get good. You get Holstein.
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| Re: The technology isn't too clear said by decarteret :
So how does that work if you can REW, FF and pause the stream? Everybody can control the stream everybody is listening to?
If some sort of box is required by students to get the cable (if it's digital), it's possible that some sort of application layer can be inserted such that individual cable users can surf to and listen to what they want. DishTV has added such a software layer into its basic satellite receivers that allow a user to play games, interact with billing, etc. I think it'd be a relatively easy thing to add to a digital cable box.
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