Adoption by StateMA, NJ, NY, CT lead the way ( old news - 06:24PM Friday Oct 31 2003) tags: stats According to new data from Leichtman research, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut lead the nation in broadband penetration. Not surprisingly, these states on average also are among those with the highest per capita income (national average is $30,800, in those states it's $39,300). The study also notes that only California, Georgia, Kentucky and Utah had more DSL subscribers than cable broadband users. On average, cable leads adoption across the U.S., accounting for 64% of the market. In the states with the highest broadband penetration, cable accounts for 73%.
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 Angrychair
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Jacksonville, FL | Well Duh Not only do those states have the highest incomes, but they ALSO have some of the highest population densities, with NJ being the most densely populated state in the nation. | |
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Stewy85
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Sharon, WI
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| Re: Well Duh Well that sucks for me....there are more cows where I live than people.
But at least I still have broadband. (costs and arm and a leg though)
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Dreadwing6
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Da Bronx? | And yet nyc does not have fibre like california :\ | |
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Brooklyn, NY | All that is available to me in NYC is crap cable (about 600/130) and DSL ...
And this is NYC??? I want my OOL, please! (in an area not serviced by time-warner/cablevision :-\ but rather "NuVisions" :O) | |
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join:2000-08-11 | I thought Rhode Island was the most densly populated..the state is only 30x40 miles yet has over a million people in it. | |
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amenite
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Ridgewood, NJ
clubs: | Re: Well Duh NJ: 1,134.4/sq. mile
RI: 863.5/sq. mile
From 2000 census data.
NJ has over 8 million people. | |
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join:2000-08-11 | Re: Well Duh damn, they do pack em in down in the garden state. | |
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| said by amenite  :
NJ: 1,134.4/sq. mile
RI: 863.5/sq. mile
From 2000 census data.
NJ has over 8 million people.
New Jersey's land area is 7419 sq miles. | |
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join:2000-08-11 | Re: Well Duh I believe that is the population per square mile he listed. | |
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join:2000-08-11 | Re: Well Duh Actually, I have. I have lived in Narragansett, and went to URI. | |
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Wholigan
join:2001-03-28
Buffalo, NY
| Sure, these states have the highest incomes, big deal. They also have the highest cost of living as well.
What I fail to find in this article anything regarding the costs to provide broadband to rural areas. The states with the high population densities pretty much are already wired to provide broadband services while poor rural areas are not. It is simply not profitable to provide broadband services with the technology we have now. With the exception of satellite BB.
Maybe they can tell us something we don't already know. | |
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Phoenix__1
join:2003-07-17
Holyoke, MA
| said by Angrychair :
Not only do those states have the highest incomes, but they ALSO have some of the highest population densities, with NJ being the most densely populated state in the nation.
Massachusetts, high incomes?!? SLMAO (Sadly laughs my a** off)
To many people willing to work + lots of people in the same jobs, goods, & service as the next guy = less demand in any given spot = less workers needed & less income.
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| Re: Well Duh Compared to many states, yes Massholes have high incomes "on average". You are right however about the job market being saturated up here.
(btw, I think you are my closest "dslr neighbor")
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| indigo
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Covina, CA
| Connecticut used to suck for broadband But as soon as I had to move to this godforsaken backwater back in 1999, broadband became widely available there.
I bet you Maine is the worst state in the US for CLEC availability.
If I still lived in Connecticut I could get a 1.5Mbps SDSL line that I could run servers on for $300 a month. Here the only option is a T1 that would cost $750 a month. So I'll probably never get it, unless I get lucky enough to start making more money than I do. | |
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Abingdon, MD
| Re: Connecticut used to suck for broadband said by indigo :
But as soon as I had to move to this godforsaken backwater back in 1999, broadband became widely available there.
I bet you Maine is the worst state in the US for CLEC availability.
If I still lived in Connecticut I could get a 1.5Mbps SDSL line that I could run servers on for $300 a month. Here the only option is a T1 that would cost $750 a month. So I'll probably never get it, unless I get lucky enough to start making more money than I do.
CLEC are only allowed in areas that have ILEC. The writer appears to be in the Sebago area of Maine. That area receives its telephone service from a RLEC (Rural Local Exchange Carrier), Standish Telephone Co. CLECs are only allowed to operate in areas serviced by ILECs. Federal Law does not allow CLECs to operate in areas serviced by RLECs.
As to the comment about Maine having the worst CLEC availability, that is probably because most of the state is rural and is serviced by rural telephone companies. I suspect that many other states with vast rural areas receive their telephone service from rural telephone companies as well.
Rural telephone company central offices normally have only a few hundred active access lines, and maybe a dozen or less active access lines per square mile in their service area. These company's usually receive or are eligible for financial assistance from Rural Electrification Administration, to allow them to provide telephone service at comparable rates for more populated areas.
Presuming that the writer's telephone exchange is 787, it appears that some form of DSL service has been available since at least March 2003! Wether the writer's local loop meets the technical requirements or wether or not the writer wants to pay the going rate, is another matter!
The writer's claimed location (Sebago, ME) is a rural area that is also predominantly an area of part time (summer) homes. While it may not be true of all areas of this type, a general statement that many subscribers in areas such as this have priorities that do not include a desire or need for "High Speed" Internet Access, is valid!
Just as an aside, the writer's claimed location is within 30 miles of virtually ALL of Maine's major population centers. So the description of the area in the first line of that posting; isn't exactly the way to win friends and influence people. Natives of rural areas such as this, have ways of identifying sources of such highly complementary remarks! | |
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Covina, CA
| Re: Connecticut used to suck for broadband Ok, here's the deal:
CLECs ARE allowed here. I am in regular contact with my telephone company's DSL product manager and he says that CLECs are permitted access to all of Fairpoint new england's COs. There is no way we will ever see a CLEC in our CO, however, because like you said, this is a sparsely populated "seasonal" town.
I never said broadband was not available here. I said that SERVER CAPABLE broadband was not available for a reasonable price. Server capable means, at least a 1Mbps upload rate, preferrable 1.5. DSL has in fact been available here since early 2001, but if you read my ISP review, you will see that it is not a good service to run servers on. You will also find out that I pay $80 a month for 768/384 DSL service. In Connecticut, CLECs such as Covad are available, and folks can get 1.5Mbps SDSL service for $300 per month. Here it costs $750 a month because a T1 is the ONLY option.
As for my description in my first line of my posting, I do not find that to be in error, because compared to Ridgefield, Connecticut (my former hometown) this place is a godforsaken backwater. 30 minutes to the nearest grocery store, 1 hour to the nearest mall and movie theatre. In Ridgefield, a drive to the grocery was just 5 minutes away, whereas the Danbury Fair mall was 10-15 mins tops. | |
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bigdaddy17
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL
| high density places are easier to wire up Well the New York tri-state area probaly is the most packed density areas in the nation and one of the most dense in the world.It is much more easier to wire up highly dense areas and Im wishing OOL would spread atleast in the top 10 most populated states.(CA,TX,NY,FL,IL,PA,OH,MI,NJ,GA) | |
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ZOG321
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Albany, NY
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| People living on top of people I went down to Bronx, NY (Westchester Ave.) yesterday and was once again surprised how that damn city stacks people. To give y'all an idea: Westchester Ave. has the train tracks running over the top of the street. Cars have to weave in and out between the train track support girders to change lanes.(Westchester Ave is 4 lanes) Trying to rewire that city would be monstrous job, so that's probably why fiber hasn't been widely instituted to the residential market in NYC.
I live up north, Albany area, and always forget that NYC people live so close together. I sorta feel sorry for them.
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| Re: People living on top of people quote:
I live up north, Albany area, and always forget that NYC people live so close together. I sorta feel sorry for them.
Feel sorry for us? I feel sorry for you guys, it must be so boring up there 
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To give y'all an idea: Westchester Ave. has the train tracks running over the top of the street. Cars have to weave in and out between the train track support girders to change lanes.(Westchester Ave is 4 lanes) Trying to rewire that city would be monstrous job, so that's probably why fiber hasn't been widely instituted to the residential market in NYC.
Um, not really. It's a monstrous job, but not an impossible one. The infrastructure is already there for cable to be run, in the form of underground tunnels and the like. Furthermore, in the outer boroughs (Queens, Bklyn, Bronx, SI), telcos and cablecos run a lot of their wires on poles, not underground. | |
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ZOG321
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join:2003-10-22
Albany, NY
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| Re: People living on top of people Feel sorry for us? I feel sorry for you guys, it must be so boring up there
Sometimes it is boring but, I could always drive down to the city for some fun w/o the commitment of living in such a crowded area.  By the way, how do people sleep with all the noise down there? I couldn't stand the 3D effect going on.
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ZOG321
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Albany, NY
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| Re: People living on top of people Well, I get to go back down to the city for my job, but until then I'll try to enjoy the feeling of privacy I have come to expect from living up north.
I have been to the outlying areas of the city and yes, they do have a less crowded feel, but not as much as up here. Where upstate were you thinking of buying a house? You do know that fiber is most definately not getting up here in the near future right? Not with Hillary and Schumer running things anyways. Kow-Towing to NYC's needs (no offense) doesn't leave much room for a Representative to pay much attention to us upstate.
Gotta go outta town tomorrow so I'll check this thread out Sunday evening.
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| | precious185
join:2003-11-27
Yonkers, NY
| When I read your comment about the train tracks running over the top of the street, I thought I was reading a script from the Beverly Hillbillies. lol.
Wow, a discussion board about broadband. That should be my biggest worry!
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bigdaddy17
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL
| its not that noisy.. Dont forget noisy sirens and police cars.. Its not all that noisy just you get used to it. I'd rather live in the city than in the middle of nowhere because of all the action I find lots of acres and land boring.. | |
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viperpa33s
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| Wonders where they got there info from Some parts of New Jersey were left in the dust until a couple of years ago. Though our state is small, the way that broadband was rolled out, felt like we were the size of Texas.
More per capita income does not translate into more or better service. | |
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i cant even get dsl 
