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Verizon's EVDO
The U.S. finally gets 3G, not '3G lite'

Reviews begin to roll in for Verizon's 1xEVDO network, recently launched only in San Diego and Washington. According to the FCC, third generation (3G) wireless technologies must offers speeds between 144kbps to 2Mbps per second. Unfortunately for U.S. consumers, the first wave of "3G" services were more like 2.5G, few of them even breaking past 100kbps. Other than Monet Networks’ EV-DO (Evolution Data Only) launch in Duluth, Minnesota, only Verizon has launched a commercial 1xEVDO network, that's actually 3G. For $80 a month, users in San Diego and Washington D.C. can witness wireless speeds ranging from 300 to 500kbps, though they'll occasionally see speed bursts up to 2Mbps.

RBC Capital Markets recently tested the new service in 20 locations throughout San Diego, and found the speeds to be as advertised; the tests indicating a downstream average of 329kbps. No mention is made of the network's upstream performance; something many consumers are most concerned with. Business Week today posted their review of the service in the DC area. While the author was pleased with the speeds, he notes that connecting was sluggish, and had problems when his laptop went into power-conservation mode.

Verizon so far has made no mention of additional market deployments. This 3G Newsroom report offers the latest on what Verizon's competitors have planned. You can read more about the 1xEVDO third generation technology at Qualcomm's website.
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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Greenville, SC

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Oh Wow

Oh wow, Now you can view webpages on your cell phone... Whats the point of this on a cell phone? Please fill me in.

bassthumpa
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join:2000-12-26
Austin, TX

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Re: Oh Wow

Read carefully. You can hook your cell phone up to your laptop for internet access.

DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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Greenville, SC

DaMaGeINC

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Re: Oh Wow

I see....

Omega
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join:2002-07-30
Golden, CO

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to bassthumpa
said by bassthumpa:
Read carefully. You can hook your cell phone up to your laptop for internet access.

That would be nice, now if they just made it a bit cheaper. Or even **gasp** inluded it with your basic plan?
allsteamedup
join:2001-06-09
Loveland, CO

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Re: Oh Wow

When you look at the price compared to existing broadband services, it does look expensive. Before I got my DSL link, I was paying $90 a month for an ISDN line, plus $30 a month for an ISP. Sprint DSL (offered in my area) prices the 1.5/256 service at $79 a month. ($49 a month for 512/128).

I have a friend (and former co-worker) that is moving to a farm in the country and will be using a 2.5G data link @144kb max to VPN to work. He would kill for an $80 a month service that would offer higher speeds with reasonable ping times.

Someday, I hope that bundling reaches the point where such services are all part of a reasonable package. If you were using this as an additional service over an existing BB connection, it would be kind of pricy. If it were your only connection ... it might not be too bad.
g_smooth2k
join:2003-09-25
Greenville, SC

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Re: Oh Wow

Sounds cool but not sure if I want to get it
see web pages on cell phone is cool I guess

DrTCP
Yours truly

join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX

DrTCP

Re: Oh Wow

said by g_smooth2k:
Sounds cool but not sure if I want to get it
see web pages on cell phone is cool I guess

You hook your cell phone to your laptop. Cell phone is just your access device. The 300+ Kbps bandwidth is for your laptop or whatever you hook to the cell phone.

fifty nine
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ

fifty nine

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Re: Oh Wow

said by DrTCP:
said by g_smooth2k:
Sounds cool but not sure if I want to get it
see web pages on cell phone is cool I guess

You hook your cell phone to your laptop. Cell phone is just your access device. The 300+ Kbps bandwidth is for your laptop or whatever you hook to the cell phone.

And don't forget PDA phones!

SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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to bassthumpa
said by bassthumpa:
Read carefully. You can hook your cell phone up to your laptop for internet access.

I can do that now, but I would have to be out of my mind or have a business to charge the costs to. The data charges are astronomical. Is this new service an 'all you can eat' monthly charge? Right now, I pay an additional $15/mo to surf the net on my phone (or use it as a wireless modem) and it's not a bargain.

inteller
@cox.net

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Re: Oh Wow

Oh fock you all....1xCDMA2000 is 3G whether the uppity geeks want to admit it or not. go cry 2.5G all you want but 1xCDMA2000 is formally recognized as 3G.

SuperJudge
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to bassthumpa
said by bassthumpa:
Read carefully. You can hook your cell phone up to your laptop for internet access.

The sad thing is that when Sprint finally gets around to getting 3G speeds on their phones, they'll probably still require you to have a PC card to use it with your laptop, without having to pay per Kb or per minute charges, on top of using minutes.

SSidlov
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Re: Oh Wow

said by SuperJudge:
The sad thing is that when Sprint finally gets around to getting 3G speeds on their phones, they'll probably still require you to have a PC card to use it with your laptop, without having to pay per Kb or per minute charges, on top of using minutes.

I use IR between my laptop and phone, 4mb/sec connection. The wireless inet isn't that fast, yet, but no card required. I suppose that bluetooth could also be used if your phone was so equipted, also a serial connection (I have a $29 cable for my non-IR desktop, too.)

Again, the data charges on ATT are astronomical, a 5mb download over your prepaid amount could cost you $50 easy. And for that guy that mentioned contracts, they have the ability to fax that attachment to you, again, for a price per page over a set fee per month. Again, with my phone's IR I could print or send the files to a PC/laptop/printer. IR is still more common than bluetooth, especially when there's a laptop around, though if I had a laptop and a network connection, I would never use the cellphone to access Inet.
shuubz
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join:2001-02-12
White Rock, BC

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Potential Nightmare

SPAM.

On your mobile phone.

At broadband speeds.

You get a nosebleed just looking at your bill.

It would be funny, in a sadistic way.

[added] Maybe if my calls were not dropped all the time by Sprint PCS, I wouldn't be so sarcastic.

fifty nine
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ

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Re: Potential Nightmare

Yeah, sprint sucks, and it aint just the dropped calls!

The only good thing about them is that they have more feature filled phones than Verizon.

i1me2ao
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TEXAS

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great

oh wonderful maybe we can now get a decent analog signal. Not

captblaze
join:2002-02-15
Pontiac, MI

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sprints 3g acceptable?

i've had sprint's unlimited vision (3g) service for a year now, and despite some growing pains in the beginning i regularly connect to the internet at 230.6 KB (when connected to my laptop through my phone). it may not be broadband, but i do have a mobile (and totally unlimited) internet connection for a reasonable price.

fifty nine
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ

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Re: sprints 3g acceptable?

said by captblaze:
i've had sprint's unlimited vision (3g) service for a year now, and despite some growing pains in the beginning i regularly connect to the internet at 230.6 KB (when connected to my laptop through my phone).[/b]
Sprint's vision is 1xRTT. It's not the same as EVDO. And, I hate to break it to ya pal, but you don't get 230.6kb. That's just the speed between the modem and the PC. You can get bursts of up to 144kbps, but most time it's around 30-50kbps.
quote:
it may not be broadband, but i do have a mobile (and totally unlimited) internet connection for a reasonable price.

Verizon has a much better deal, called Express Network MOU (Minutes of Use). Basically all new America's Choice Verizon plans and existing ones are eligible. It doesn't cost extra, uses your minutes only and nights and weekends are unlimited.

misiek
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Round Lake, IL

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Re: sprints 3g acceptable?

said by fifty nine:

Sprint's vision is 1xRTT. It's not the same as EVDO. And, I hate to break it to ya pal, but you don't get 230.6kb. That's just the speed between the modem and the PC. You can get bursts of up to 144kbps, but most time it's around 30-50kbps.

Small correction: 1xRTT data rate is up to 153 kbps:

»www.cdmatech.com/solutio ··· 5105.pdf

RPE
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Re: sprints 3g acceptable?

You can forget about the Verizon speed claims ... we tried it in and around the San Diego area and the fastest speed we ever saw was on the order of 185kbps .... that's when it gets into the EVDO mode, most of the time it starts out in EVDO and then as soon as you try and go to download any content it switches to 1xRTT and those speeds are basically the same as dial-up (typically 40-60kbps, but as low as 6kbps).

rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

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on the phone

I resisted getting a cell phone but eventually had to do it for my business. it's really impossible not to have one now. I work "on site" so they act as walkie talkies. very handy. my issue was assesablility all the time by certain business associates. I didn't want them to be able to call me whenever they felt like it. now this. I just can't imagine being sent a file and having to review a contract on my cell phone. what a total pain in the ass plus looking at that tiny screen plus I hate having to text cause it's to many steps to get it done. typing on a keyboard is so much easier. there's a dark side to this and I think I've found it. I support technology but it can sometimes be annoying.

Robert
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Miami, FL

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This is Great.. but when it goes nationwide?

This is great news.

I look forward on switching to AT&T in 6 months or whenever they lanuch the 3G phone in my area. However, what happens when everyone begins to use. How will the speeds be?

And also, does anyone know if I have to be still to have a connection? Or can I be say.. in my car and driving and be on the Internet?

Thanks

Dawstudio
@mcleodusa.net

Dawstudio

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Check Out Monet Broadband

Wireless (EVDO) is elsewhere, Midwest states and it's awesome. »www.monetmobile has great info...besides competition is always a good thing in the telecommunications biz! Cheers!
Dawstudio

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Re: Check Out Monet Broadband

Actually »www.monetmobile.com

ftodd
join:2001-04-11
Pittsburgh, PA

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$80/mo?!?!

$80/mo?!?! If it were $60.00 - $69.95 maybe, but NOT $80!!
ftodd

ftodd

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extra cash for your IRA!!!

I would rather use the extra cash to fund my new IRA!!!

amandaalfarcom
@sub-166-180-32.myvzw

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Report from an actual user

I've been using this service since rollout in DC, and I have a few observations:

- It's not quite as nice as DSL--the speed is as advertised, but the latency is a little higher.
- The EVDO card can speak 1xRTT in areas without EVDO coverage, and is handled at no extra charge
- $80/mo is a lot for a DSL line. But this isn't a DSL line. It works anywhere there is Verizon EVDO or 1xRTT coverage. Home, work, the airport, the train, restaurants, wherever. I don't have to find a starbucks and compete for wifi bandwidth, or borrow a LAN connection. It's just always on, and the speed is more like a LAN than like a modem--no more tin cans and string. When I travel, it still works at 1xRTT speed, same billing plan, no extra charge. All in all, a win, as far as I'm concerned, and much more "3Gish" than 1xRTT was.

Amanda Walker
(posted over EVDO)
tolnep
join:2002-10-08
Marietta, GA

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So I come to this discussion late..

Verizon is gonna roll out evdo in Atlanta where I live within the year. I have express network all you can eat for 80 bucks. I have two jobs basically. I work for a network company full time, mostly out of my house where I have a fairly involved network.. and I build houses. I don't need to spend a lot of time at the construction site, but with the express network card, and the evdo as soon as it is avialable, I can react more or less instantly to nationwide network issues as they come up and still oversee my houses. What I do involves VPNs into remote data centers and desktop control of servers in co-locates.. and express network lets me do that. While some people might see this as never being able to get away from the job, I see it as letting me do two jobs at my leisure (and I enjoy both) avoid traffic going into Atlanta where most of the IT jobs are. While it makes some people cringe (maybe many) to me the idea of being 'wired in' all the time lets me go and do what I like when I like and still put in over 100 percent to two jobs at my leisure.. And its the wave of the future boys and girls.. For those of us who don't want to see our jobs go to India we gotta provide exceptional service.
evdo9
join:2004-06-25
Cardiff By The Sea, CA

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EVDO Comes to Major Cities Across America

July 27th 2004, Verizon Announced that Evdo is now in Las Vegas. We will be announcing cities across the country rapidly from now on in order to boost media hype and steadily boost public sector awareness of wireless broadband. Atlanta, Boston, Baltimore, Orlando, Houston, Los Angeles, and Orange County are following on the heels of Vegas.

My EVDO Clients in broadband areas are finding that fixed location wire cable modem and dsl service is no longer necessary. Evdo is compatible with most all PC Laptops now. So long as you have Win 98SE or above.

Officially, Linux and Mac are not supported BUT Group and Agent support IS AVAILABLE at evdo-coverage.com . Press Releases and New Coverage Maps will also be available there.

If you are considering new service, keep a few factors in mind. First, are your primary use locations deep within buildings or near open spaces like windows or on the road in your car? Will the additional premium cost of $79 / month make your more productive and save you time? Answers to these questions will help you decide on whether EVDO is right for you right now.

--- If you are on the fence, I can always extend a 2 week demo out to you. Your feed back here is appreciated on your experience.

-- Robert Kim - Verizon EVDO Agent.
evdo9

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EVDO / 1xRTT 2 Week Demo

Although San Diego officially Launched EVDO last summer, Service was live and in test mode about 6 months previous to that time. A third of my Evdo Market will go live by end of year and many of these markets will go live before summer ends. So... this is to say that EVDO Service MAY already be available in your city - only in test mode.

If you'd like to demo the service for 2 weeks to see if EVDO is available to you - you need to run the MCM in DEBUG mode with engineering to configure for the right antennaes - It is available to you.
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EVDO Sound-OFF - Do you get EVDO?

If you are in a non EVDO area but get EVDO service occasionally let me know. The standard way to do this is the be in debug mode where you can actually "tune" your MCM to the EVDO towers that are in test mode in your zip code.

If you are in a Evdo area, What have been your typical speeds? Would your business of personal application for EVDO be better if your group of colleagues or association also used EVDO?
evdo9

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Remember to Update your PRL

If you dont update your prl... you will not see the new evdo towers... even if you have a 5220 p8a card...
evdo9

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the code is *22899

by the way... on cell phones prl is *228

on your aircard... it is *22899 For Evdo NEW Coverage MAPS and Mac or Linux Drivers »evdo-coverage.com -
Robert Kim, Verizon Agent #IMACS. Tech Docs »evdo-coverage.blogspot.com

Lil Quey
@69.111.x.x

Lil Quey

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No date on this article?

This article is obviously very time dependent but it is undated. The comments show it is from at least 10 months ago.

Come ON website designers! How hard would it be to record the date on timely articles? This problem is pervasive across the web, as though the people who designed these sites never expected them to survive more than a few months anyway.

FIX!