1 edit | Only 8500 feet eh? ONLY 8500 ft eh?? geez, I should get two lines for that!
You have to admit it's very reasonably priced. | |
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 | | | Re: Only 8500 feet eh? Correction, max distance is 7500 not 8500, guideline by SBC service provide, DSLextreme is a reseller of SBC.
Take from SBC FAQs:
SBC Yahoo DSL Expert Plus 1.5-6/384 max distance 7500 ft.
Although most people that claimed to have high througput 5.2/520 (~87% cap) are generally below 5K.
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| |  ronpinImagine Reality
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1 edit | Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs I'm not say'n it's not worth it -- but SBC's $100 deal is hardly a residential price-point. The $60 'Extreme deal is what I used to pay Charter for 1.5/.384 mbs. SBC could own the entire broadband market with a 6mbs/$60 deal. | |
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| | | | | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs unlikely, Cable still has the market on their side. Beside Cable currently can provide 10Mb throughput while ADSL can only do 8.
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| | | |  jhboricuaExMod 2000-01
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Minneapolis, MN | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs Yeah, but what good is it when they have their phantom 'caps' going on? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs Try getting 10 meg ....as a matter of fact try getting 3 meg throughput at 9- 10 pm on any Cable service anywhere...Good luck. There are no phantom caps on any service ....but there can be big mistakes. You have to complain to have them check it out and fix it. When you do you speed checks don't do them from accross the country at least try them in your state. There are no providers that can gurantee the same speed across the US.
Anyway after getting it fixed it's zooooooom city. I don't have it but I know folks who do. Eye popping speed. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs The person is not talking about speed caps. Their talking about download caps.. | |
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| | | | ronpinImagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | OK ... add-in a SBC 3/.384 mbs tier for $45 ... now what does cable have that SBC doesn't? (cable's max speed notwithstanding) | |
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| | | | |  insomniacOh YeahPremium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs A bridged connection instead of PPPoE. It's unlikely I'll ever get SBC service as long as they're using PPPoE.
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| | | | | | | | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs said by insomniac:
A bridged connection instead of PPPoE. It's unlikely I'll ever get SBC service as long as they're using PPPoE.
I hate to bust your bubble but there isn't really
any performance difference between PPPoE and DHCP.
I was originally on DHCP at my first location and
when it switched to PPPoE, my speed actually increased
by 11% to my surprise.
Likewise, at my current location, I run nearly at
the full 6 Mbps in normal use and actually surpass it
when downloading large files.
There also has been no significant change in the
length of IP retention either. The average time
to keep the same IP was about the same. It's not
uncommon to keep the same IP for weeks and sometimes
even months on PPPoE. | |
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2 edits | said by DSLarggggg:
unlikely, Cable still has the market on their side. Beside Cable currently can provide 10Mb throughput while ADSL can only do 8.
On the contrary ...
While Cable can theoretically provide 10 Mb, I have never
seen any cable provider actually operating at that rate.
The typical range for cable is between 1MB and 4MB.
To come to think of it, I don't even know any cable
providers right now that even go up to 5 Mbps,
much less 10 Mbps.
Meanwhile, DSL already has 6 Mbps publicly available
and on the market right now. Just a side note that
you might not be aware, DSL is also capable of much
more as well.
Just for your information, I was part of a testing project
four years ago involving DSL transmission in excess of
25 Mbps over 30 year old standard copper pairs. The test
was very successful and I imagine it's only a matter of
time before you begin seeing some of that new DSL transmission
technology emerging on the public market. Being that
was standard copper, just imagine what fiber could do. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs Optium Online (OOL) offers 10Mb service here in the New York tri-state area. | |
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| | | | |  Bumpin1ohmBumpin1ohmPremium
join:2002-07-15
Aurora, CO | OOL
before you get capped for excessive use anyway | |
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| | | | | |  mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY
1 edit | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs said by Bumpin1ohm:
OOL
before you get capped for excessive upload use anyway
Corrected, and that's if you use it way too much.
Download, they don't give a rat's ass how much you download. | |
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| | | | | | | Bumpin1ohmBumpin1ohmPremium
join:2002-07-15
Aurora, CO | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs 67 gigs isnt jack
i have 1.5 and do over 160gb a month | |
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join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA | Maybe cable can provide up to 10Mb capacity, but that doesn't mean the sites you're connecting to will support that much speed, which are still subject to traffic volume. | |
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| | | | | said by ronpin:
SBC could own the entire broadband market with a 6mbs/$60 deal.
Not true. T00 many people are out of that range to recieve it. And what is worse people that are in spitting distance of a CO fine that their wires are miles from it.
Now if the distrance rqs were trippled with some new technology then cable would be running for the hills.
I remember one of the intents of adsl was to provide video. Now that cable companies are providing phone perhaps bells need to fight back with strang video services. 6m down is more than fast enough for a good mpeg4/divx stream.
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2 edits | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs said by Freezone:
T00 many people are out of that range to recieve it. And what is worse people that are in spitting distance of a CO fine that their wires are miles from it.
Actually most everywhere is already covered. The places
that will be out of range are mostly rural areas for the
most part and a few other non-rural areas but by far most
locations are now well within DSL range.
If you are in one of the few areas that still doesn't have
DSL available, you really are in the minority.
The thing you need to realize is that 7500 feet is only
between you and either the CO **OR** the RT.
RTs are currently just about everywhere and you see new
ones going up every day.
I happen to live in a small town with about 25 miles of
rural farmland between me and Houston and I am also more
than 13 miles wire distance to the CO yet I run at nearly
the maximum 6 Mbps .....
How is that?
Because while I am 13 miles from the CO, I'm less than
200 yards from the RT. Oh and that is just my RT. I've
got two other RTs less than 2 miles from my house.
People automatically assume the 7500 has to be their
distance from the phone company's central office (CO)
but that's not actually the case.
Within 10 miles of my house, I can name the locations
of more than 12 RT locations in every direction. It's
a no brainer to realize that you'd be well within 7500
feet no matter where you go in the area and remember
this is in fact a rural area so you'd expect the
coverage to be less than in the city.
The areas not covered are very few in number and growing
smaller as more and more RTs are deployed everywhere.
Now with that said, not all of the RTs currently
support the new 6MB profile. This means it still might
not be available to you but it has nothing to do with
your distance.
EDIT: The above is talking about SBC territory in Texas.
I don't know anything about the DSL coverages and deployment
in other states. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs The distance is a line distance. And this distance in the bells database is less than useless. And even with the rt too many customers are out o range. Actual numbers would be good here.
Bells already have the technology to increase distance, but they are too slow to deploy.
Imagine if the bells would not have been so slow with dsl just to protect the T1 market. I bet cable modems competition would not even be an issue. | |
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| | | | |  dslx_netopsLinux Is BetterPremium
join:2003-10-20
Canoga Park, CA | ahh but your wrong...
my whole neighborhood is between 14-30,000 feet from the co... with no rt available... i see pequals all the time of people just two far and the live in the middle of a city... i live in Orange county in a very very developed area, the distance factor is a huge issue | |
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| | | | |  HealbotPremium
join:2003-07-16
Vancouver, WA | I am 13000 Feet from my CO, NO RTs I can only get up to 784k/128k. Yeah like DSL is going anywhere here. vancouver is huge and only 1/3 of the people can get DSL. I still think cable is way better of keeping their speeds, DSL is way to much (for me). And SBC isnt everywhere which people thinks, people keep on telling me get SBC for 26.95 but nooo I cant get it..... As for DSL (covad) offers 3mb/384k for 150 bucks (I can't even get that even if I wanted to pay for it)! Comcast is upgrading to 3mbs for under 50 bucks.....
It has everything to do with your distance because you can be 3 miles from your RT then your dead in the water | |
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| | |  Speedy8Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH | said by ronpin:
I'm not say'n it's not worth it -- but SBC's $100 deal is hardly a residential price-point. The $60 'Extreme deal is what I used to pay Charter for 1.5/.384 mbs. SBC could own the entire broadband market with a 6mbs/$60 deal.
I agree. I also have SBC's 6mbit package for $100 a month and also think it's a good deal. But damn, after seeing this server for $60 a month, I hope SBC lowers their prices eventually! | |
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|  DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:7 | Sonic.net is in the works with something similar - expect an announcement in the next day or so.
-Dane | |
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| | | | Re: Sonic.net offering something like this too. Too late, DSLX beat you :P | |
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 gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
kudos:2 | Is it just me.. Or is 608kbps a really weird upstream speed? | |
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| | | Re: Is it just me.. It's not weird. Because of PPPoE + other protocols overhead, the users would get around 84% (range 0-87%) of the cap. 608 *.842 = 512kbps.
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join:2002-12-08
Reno, NV
kudos:7 | Re: Is it just me.. Those upload speeds are multiples or a multiple plus 0.5 of the 64kbit frequency bins on DSL, ie. 9.5*64=608. | |
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 bkymoof moofPremium
join:2002-07-05
Austin, TX | Uh huh.. If you ask me they need to start working on making DSL around the 3mbps mark travel further distances rather than jacking up the speed only so you have to be close to the CO
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 JEJE 's BACK BABYPremium
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East Orange, NJ
1 edit |  Bastards ONLY serve CA!
It's an outrage! If you NON CA residents want that deal, you'd better start making some noise. Now is the time!
Call up your TELCO, or whomever you gotta call to make noise.
Oh well, I may have to start making some noise after 2004, because I already have OOL for $50 a month and you know there is no service better than OOL speeds at our price.
The rates will go up in 2005, and I want the DSLExtreme option available whether or not I stay with OOL.
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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but they only give it to the people they consider to be better in CA.
No, no, no. DSLExtreme is a SoCal based ISP with their own full IP connectivity for Verizon and SBC customers in SoCal and some NorCal regions. In these regions, they offer the full spread of speed packages that the telco's data transport provider offers (in this case, ASI).
More recently, they went national, and resell SBC IP (SBCIS) connectivity in areas that they do not have their own IP connectivity. In these areas their offerings are much more limited, you can't order 6000/608, not even at full price, let alone get this deal.
However, I would expect SBC themselves and other local ISPs that do offer SBC's big packages to announce similar deals.
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| | Are you listening Covad and Speakeasy?? Hope this is a trend of what is to come. I am close enough except for being on the other side of the United States. | |
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| | | Re: Are you listening Covad and Speakeasy?? said by mlohrwork:
Hope this is a trend of what is to come. I am close enough except for being on the other side of the United States.
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but for Local ISPs to expand DSL coverage is more costly then you paying SBC for the service. Contact SBC's offices for more information. just talk to the right department. | |
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| | | Speakeasy? I have the 1.5/786 gamer package. When I was in my trial period I was getting 3.4 meg down and 820kb up.
After the trial period was over and they nailed me with a contract they bandwidth managed me to 1.35 down and 630 up.
Do you really want to deal with that? Caps stink. And... they deny capping it and tell me now upload is not guaranteed and wont fix it because its not out of the 90% range? I will be changing over to dls.net soon I talked to there office today and they promised me no caps and a month to month contract ..not a year. Ok ill give them on more chance to fix it then I'm gone.... | |
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join:2003-02-19
Sherman Oaks, CA | No luck damn, I do not qualify | |
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|  CPMBroadband, DSL, cable
join:2001-08-24
Brooklyn, NY | Re: No luck I would qualify if they had it in New York City I am 2500ft from my CO. | |
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 GTJiga06 GTPremium
join:2002-02-02
Azle, TX
kudos:1 | Reach out further.... DSL needs to be expanded to reach out further, we need a new technology of digital lines.
As of right now I am in range for DSL but my local telco is not setup for DSL. | |
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| |  10M up and down 65$
 I really hate to brag, but I get 10 Meg up and down for only 65$/mo. wireless residential service from DLS.net. I typically see 70-90% of the advertised speed. Now I can download all the Micro$oft patches in seconds. | |
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| | | Re: 10M up and down 65$ Are there any usage limitations? | |
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| | | | Re: 10M up and down 65$ btw, it cost no more to provide 6mbit then it does 1.5mbit.
The trick is to charge much more for higher cap then low cap.
Pretty stinking greedy IMO. | |
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| | | | | Re: 10M up and down 65$ Actually, it does cost more. The residential equipment for 1mb is considerably cheaper than the 10mb equipment, plus the higher cost of the backhaul equipment. Then there's the telco charges for DS3's instead of T1's. That's not to say that the isp can't install the high-speed infrastructure and throttle you down to whatever you pay for...
Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?
said by attsbcisgay:
btw, it cost no more to provide 6mbit then it does 1.5mbit.
The trick is to charge much more for higher cap then low cap.
Pretty stinking greedy IMO.
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From dls.net policy:
"When excess bandwidth is available, customers will experience speeds faster than what is allocated, up to 1.5mbps (or 10mbps depending on equipment installed.) This bandwidth may only be used for reasonable amounts of time necessary to complete retrieval of e-mail, web pages, Usenet articles, etc. Continuously using more than the bandwidth allocated to download large files, send large e-mails, or watch high-bandwidth video streams for long periods of time is not acceptable and may affect the performance of other wireless customers. DLS may take action against customers capitalizing on available bandwidth as defined below." | |
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| | Not available in 95825 Drat, would love to drop Comcast for something faster and less expensive.
Just checked their site, and it is unavailable in our neighborhood in Sacramento.
Oh well. | |
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| | | Re: Not available in 95825 Last I checked, Sac was one of their SBCIS markets. | |
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 GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | $60 AND guaranteed NO PRICE INCREASES This is a totally smoking deal over cable. If I was in an SBC area I would jump all over this. | |
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| | Sounds like a great deal to me Hopefully we'll all experience the trickle down effect later. Currently I'm paying 50$ month for 256k/256k ADSL. I used to have the 70$ package which was 512k/256k but decided it was just too expensive for the speed. I guess the local phone company has a monopoly here because every other dsl provider doesn't provide service. The phone company just installed the DSL in June of last year. They named it "GoFast DSL". Oh the irony
That's not even mentioning a 50 plus ping to the gateway which translates into 150 plus pings to most sites that are close to me. No cable internet available here either. Those ISP's in a monopoly situation tend to really stick it to the consumers. | |
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tdkyo
join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY | Happy with 3Mbps I am just happy with by 3Mbps right now. I mean, I never max my connection 24x7 and I download files fast as I need it.
My 2 cents. | |
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 PliotronXMy Katamari's Bigger Than Your Katamari
join:2000-05-13
Sunland, CA | Down w/Verizon Argh, my CO is Verizon. It would take almost $300/mo for similar speeds. Boo-urns. | |
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