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1 edit | Re: Oh Canada maybe they need to get there advertisments out more.
up here where i live there is DSL avalable but you wouldnt know it.
on the flip side though cable has deals and commercials all the time about there service. i dont see any commercials besides ride the light from qwest,but it never says anything about dsl,high speed internet or anything.
and there even cheaper than cable by 20 bucks you would think they would want to let customers know. cause i know alot of poeple that just want somthing faster than dial up.
and 640 /256 would be just peachy for them to the almost double price from cable. so in my opinion they need to advertise better. | |
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kudos:8 | Where's the fibre? Who's afraid of fibre? All the DSL and Cable providers! | |
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|  rameusWho's got my pickle?Premium
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| Re: Where's the fibre? Why would they roll out FTTC or FTTH when lighting up RTs is so much cheaper at this point? Besides, even if they did and sold 10.0/10.0 connection plans, the modems and or PCs would be the bottleneck. Current consumer RAM and VRAM couldn't process data that fast. You wouldn't be able to see the difference.
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| | | | Re: Where's the fibre? all of my computers here handle 100mbit LAN just fine.
My old 200mhz pentium machine seems to cope with serving up files at around 11,600 kbytes a second...
Consumer RAM is capable of gigabytes a second bandwidth.. the bottleneck is the network card/linespeed. And it probably will be for a long time.
I dont see japanese ISP's with 100mbit fiber having problems with ONU's coping... | |
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| |  Vamp5c077Premium
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1 edit | said by rameus:
Why would they roll out FTTC or FTTH when lighting up RTs is so much cheaper at this point? Besides, even if they did and sold 10.0/10.0 connection plans, the modems and or PCs would be the bottleneck. Current consumer RAM and VRAM couldn't process data that fast. You wouldn't be able to see the difference.
thats the funniest post I ever read... you do know besides the processor the ram is the fastest component in your PC? like said above they are in the Gigabits/sec speed. The bottlenecks would be in the HD, and network equipment.
Maybe you should do more research on ram before posting something so stupid
Edit: and the differents might not be so great when browsing, but the latency and transfer speeds will be about 10 times better.
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But you WOULD see the difference from 1.1 megs/sec(what I have), and 100 megs/sec.
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Oklahoma City, OK | Re: Where's the fibre? Don't get Megabits (Mb) confused with Megabytes (MB). For example, common DSL downloads are 1.5 Mbps (Megabits/sec) where common data transfer rates for HD's are 133 MB/sec (Megabytes/sec). A Megabit is 1 million bits. A Megabyte is 1 million bytes. 8 bits = 1 byte. As you can see there is a huge difference.
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Oklahoma City, OK | Re: Where's the fibre?  I'm not sure what your point is. I was trying to explain that MB does not equal Mb. I wasn't getting into the technical specs of HD's. Rather I was using common numbers used in the industry as performance marks (i.e. ATA 100/133) as a reference to my explanation.
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| | | Why should they be afraid of that? Fibre is a LONG way from being in every household. MANY people still don't even have access to cable and DSL yet and are stuck with dial-up.
said by Gbcue:
Who's afraid of fibre? All the DSL and Cable providers!
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1 edit | Apples to Apples? In looking at the posted rates, the question that immediately comes to mind is whether the rates are normalized for CATV subscriber versus non-CATV subscriber. The rate listed for Comcast is the non-CATV subscriber rate. I don't have enough background on the others to tell at a glance whether the rates listed are CATV subscriber or non-CATV subscriber rates, however, many look suspiciously like the CATV subscriber rate. | |
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| | | Re: Apples to Apples? It marks Comcast at $57.95 USD at PPP, so I assume your answer is sans CATV. | |
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1 edit | Doesn't Comcast consider $57.95 the base price for HSI with a bundled discount to $42.95 if you have cable? This allows them to charge the extra $15 for those who don't have CATV service. | |
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1 edit | Re: Apples to Apples? yes that is correct, they charge 15 more if your a non cable tv customer. man for that price your paying for limited cable without getting limited cable ..lol
limited cable(locals and a few other channels) is only 15 bucks..lol | |
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|  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | We should also add the cost of a phone line for DSL service if we're going to be that particular.
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| |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | Re: Apples to Apples? said by pnh102:
We should also add the cost of a phone line for DSL service if we're going to be that particular.
Except with all the BS charges and fees the telcos lop on it is more than $15.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Apples to Apples? said by dvd536:
Except with all the BS charges and fees the telcos lop on it is more than $15.
True... and for people like me, a landline phone is a completely useless waste of cash, and if I were to have DSL, I'd have no choice but to add its cost onto the cost of the service. When I factor in the $20-$30 (at least that's what my last landline phone bill was) plus the cost of the DSL service itself (and all the BS fees that get tacked onto that) then DSL doesn't seem to be a bargain either.
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|  LegoPower77AbecedarianPremium
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Midlothian, VA | My Cox HSI is 39.95 plus another c. $10 for basic cable. The HSI alone I think is $59.95, but I'm not sure about dat. | |
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| |  ctceoPremium
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2 edits | Re: Apples to Apples? As long as your cable is running to the home and delivering internet, Cable providers can't stop the cable tv signal (very basic) that comes along with it. (only available in areas where you have the old Tocom type service (or they haven't discontinues it yet), not the new X-Box sized cable boxes, that digital cable junk.
I personally think that these prices are a bit skewed as pointed out by those who "have cable tv service" in addition to Internet, and the acknowledged price difference between them.
I pay $29.99 a month for ADSL (1.5 down/256 up), but If I didn't have SBC as my phone service provider, I wouldn't be able to get it at all, or the price would be jacked so high it makes it not worth it to even get, some where around $70/mo for half the speed!
My friend is paying $40.84/mo for BASIC Comcast Cable, No TV, For that he has the much better and cost effective DirecTV @ 27.99/mo (comes with SciFi & TechTV, Comcast Doesn't). He was informed that if he wanted Digital Cable that he could sign up for the "basic digital plan" for an additional $38.99/mo + taxes on top of his $40.84, what a JIP. ~$86 (after taxes) Are you crazy, Between My Phone Bill with DSL & My Satt Bill I only Total up to about ~$73.
So with that said, Nevermind.
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| Re: Apples to Apples? said by ctceo:
As long as your cable is running to the home and delivering internet, Cable providers can't stop the cable tv signal (very basic) that comes along with it.
They can and they do block the signal. | |
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1 edit | Which is why I left... It just amazes me how cable subscriber growth is continuing. After 2 years as a CC HSI customer I jumped ship for the much cheaper VoL the second they deployed an RT in my 'hood. And as I face yet ANOTHER CATV price increase (just had 2 last year and 1 the year before that) this coming Feb., I'm on the Dish Network free HD box waiting list. The day they install is the day I say bye to CC forever. But again, looking at subscriber growth I'm part of a tiny minority of disgrunted CATV and cable HSI customers who actually jump ship rather than just complain but continue to write the cable pig their ever increasing check amounts.
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| mikehdWhat day is it?Premium
join:2000-07-11
Lebanon, OR | Re: Which is why I left... Dish just sent me my price increase warning. Cable is not the only ones pigging out.
What's the Dish Network free HD box? Where do I sign up??:D
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| | | | Re: Which is why I left... i have direcTV, but at one point i was going to go with dish under the assumption that they locked in your rates for one year upon signup? | |
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1 edit | Re: Which is why I left... said by dropshadow:
i have direcTV, but at one point i was going to go with dish under the assumption that they locked in your rates for one year upon signup?
DN is currently locking new customers who sign up at the old rates through 1/2005.
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| | GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
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3 edits | The price increase I saw for the top 100 was $1. Comcast has raised my rates over $15 over the past 2 years and now wants more...on top of them already being more than DBS.
A $1-$2 increase every few years which is what type of increase we see with DN is reasonable. 3 increases amounting to double digit percentage hikes in 2 years is IMHO not.
The free 811 box which also includes on OTA HD tuner is for new subs and is shown on the promotion page »www.dishnetwork.com/content/getd···ex.shtml The only requirement is 12 month contract for their $10/mo or $110/yr HD tier. I don't know what an upgrade charge would be for current subs. Because of the free box promotion the 811 box is in short supply...typically a 4 week wait.
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| | | mikehdWhat day is it?Premium
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Lebanon, OR | Re: Which is why I left... Makes me want to quit Dish to become a new customer. Point being, they don't do squat for you once you're in. But if you're out... | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Which is why I left... Before I was with CC, I had DN and was treated well in the form of no price increases and them adding content pretty regularly. They also had decent upgrade deals for current customers.
But everywhere has those come-on ads. Look at Comcast. $19 digital cable, $19 HSI for a whole year for DSL customers, $200 credit if you're a DBS customer...but once they have you it's less content, less channels and higher prices, higher prices, higher prices...forever.
Whether it be DTV or DN you get more and pay less...now and in the future.
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| | dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by mikehd:
Dish just sent me my price increase warning. Cable is not the only ones pigging out.
What's the Dish Network free HD box? Where do I sign up??:D
i thought DISHNETWORK wasn't going to do a price increase until 2005? guess they want a bigger piece of the pie too.
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1 edit | Re: Which is why I left... As I mentioned earlier, the increases are $1-$3 depending on the package. New signups get locked in at the old price through at least the end of the year. The increases represent about a 3%-4% increase...better than the 13% hike I got with Comcast last year...and they're coming back for another 5% this year.
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kudos:1 | DSL, and 128 Why would i buy DSL at 128 up, when i can get cable for nearly the same price at 512up.
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| | | Re: DSL, and 128 Most cable tos do not allow servers. So even 128k can be better than 512k if you wanted to run a web/mail server.
I get 768k up with static ip and hosting is legal but that is relative to my area, or areas that have coverage by MCI(1.5/768) or Covad(3.0/768). Everyone has different levels of service and exp. So the cable v dsl debate has no clear winner. | |
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1) DSL is distance sensitive while cable has a much farther reach. You are over a certain distance from the CO, DSL won't be as fast as cable (in most places.)
2) Cable had a head start in deployment while the baby bells still cry about line sharing.
3) Cable is, for the most part, easier to install. Connect modem to cable line. DSL requires filters in most cases.
4) DSL does have a greater variety of ISP's than cable.
This is by far no where near a complete list.
I have said it many many times. If the bells had deployed DSL with thought and a commitment to make it work, they would have a goo hold on the technology. However, they chose to "hope" people would come to them.
They lost with DSL, it's time to go fiber and kill cable once and for all. | |
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| Still no DSL service Verizon should get off their *ss and make DSL available first, then we can all talk about their wonderful prices.
I'm in an extremely populated area of NJ and I still seem to be 18k from the CO. I've also got 6 pair of copper coming into my house. You'd think that I'd be able to get some sort of service. | |
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|  MikBoJust Happy To Be HerePremium
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Lynchburg, VA | Re: Still no DSL service Just got DSl here,768/128,and have cable at 3000/256,if I drop the cable will save $40 a month.Latency for dsl is 25ms max over 11 hops,wish I could say the same for the cable.Looks like I am going to make the switch.
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| DSL spells DISMAL in the Northwest I cannot speak for other parts of the country, but here in the western Washington, DSL is DISMAL! It can in no way be construed as competitive! Last time I checked, Qwest had reduced the price for their co-branded MSN package and had upped their speeds to a whopping 640/256. Yeah, I really want to give up my 1700/256 for dsl. Yes I do, and I also want to trade in my new Camry for a clunker. Certainly sounds like a no-brainer to me.
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