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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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Not only that, but...
If you are on an RT (which most users now are) you will likely get 5+mbps.

As of 8am SBC is saying "it's not in our system yet"...

*sniff*

Maaaammy... *sniff* please tell that man to put a CO near us... please pretty please? im tired of waiting for it to be available... and now this great speed... please mammy?

said by X71:

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*sniff*

Maaaammy... *sniff* please tell that man to put a CO near us... please pretty please? ... please mammy?

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And while your at it Mammy, please hit Frontier with your purse, *sniff* cuz out here in Elk Grove they are keeping us at a whopping 1meg cap!

said by X71:

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*sniff*

Maaaammy... *sniff* please tell that man to put a CO near us... please pretty please? im tired of waiting for it to be available... and now this great speed... please mammy?

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DSL does NOT win. if the cable company decides to boost speeds everyone on that cable system gets it, not only those within so many feet of their switches/remote terminals.

Uprgrade your UKIHCA12 CO in Calpella, CA (serves the north end of Ukiah, and the towns of Redwood Valley and Calpella, 707-485)) for DSL SBC and I'll give ya a try, we're still waiting out here! They have really let Mendocino County down, so far only putting DSL in Ukiah and Fort Bragg. I currently have Adelphia Powerlink (Adelphia by far has beaten SBC here for broadband coverage), and pull 4500 down and 500 up on a 24x7 basis, and latency is low, but it's more expensive than SBC.

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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By actually offering the services to people in places like DSL Wasteland. I'd love to be able to use DSL, but SBC has no plans to add my neighborhood its service area, thus, I'm stuck with cable for the time being.

said by zabes63:

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said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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By actually offering the services to people in places like DSL Wasteland. I'd love to be able to use DSL, but SBC has no plans to add my neighborhood its service area, thus, I'm stuck with cable for the time being.

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Maybe the tricities initiative scared them off.

how can comcast top that no distance requirement I called to upgrade to that package told I was to far from the co.So when my contract is up in march I will be going to comcast. I had comcast once and it was nice no slow downs living in a immigrant area has its advantages.

said by AR:

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How will Comcast top that?

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Easy, they'll simply raise the penalty for non-CATV subs forcing their users to buy their crap overpriced video services.

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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DSL is distance-sensitive, meaning not everyone will be eligible for 3Mbps.

Cable is not distance-sensitive, so you either get it or you don't.

-- Elias

said by elias:

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said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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DSL is distance-sensitive, meaning not everyone will be eligible for 3Mbps.

Cable is not distance-sensitive, so you either get it or you don't.

-- Elias

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Unfortunately customers are wallet sensitive and with companies like COmcast charging more, capping, bad news servers, giant penalties to non-CATV subs...

In the either get it or don't opinion...it becomes a take it or leave it...as in take the wallet beating and service limitations of cable or go back to dial up.

"3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?"

You don't get a dedicated line you moron unless you have a T1, You share the CO's bandwidth with everyone on the RT or CO

"Moron"? Isn't that a bit strong?

Anyway.

Since you are obviously so knowledgeable about this, what is the capactity of the line beyond the CO that is shared vs the capacity of the line to the common node?

Sorry... I am just mad at people for giving a company a bad name

Like who? Comcrap? I had them and they were reliable save for some mail server problems. But that doesn't excuse their price increases/penalties for non-catv users...and massive CATV increases for those avoiding the penalties, magic DL caps, 1GB news caps or any of the other nonsense Comcast is up to.

I was much happier when our local franchise was ATTBi...and if it were still ATTBi, I would still be a CM user as I have always used 2 providers with a dual WAN router (before DSL I used WISP with CM). Not any more though. Enough was enough and given an alternative I'm sure I'm wouldn't be alone on the hate Comcrap would leave in a second if there was another available BB provider list.

Cable modems and the technology is fine...but absolutely some cable COMPANIES deserve to get the slamming they get from consumers...and IMHO, Comcrap is at the top of the cable S-list.

said by Healbot:

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Sorry... I am just mad at people for giving a company a bad name

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PEH! Try being an employee of the company getting bashed.

Anyway...one thing is for sure, more is better...the speeds are getting faster and the prices are coming down.
I know it's hard to be patient, and ironic to have to be patient waiting for something to go FASTER...but hey, it's a hazard of living in a hurry up and wait society.
Looks like moving a block away from the CO paid off(back in 1991!)
Ahh...happy accidents..

said by AR:

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Since you are obviously so knowledgeable about this, what is the capactity of the line beyond the CO that is shared vs the capacity of the line to the common node?

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Pick me!

Depending on the area, SBC generally has 2 to 3 DS3s to 2 or more OC3s.

Unlike cable DSL is dedicated from the CO to the end user which makes your line more stable. If john doe down the road is a raving server maniac hogging all his bandwidth, it won't affect your pings. Assuming the avg. Joe user has a full 1.5 mbps versus our OC3 of 155 Mbps, it looks to be about a 100x1 ratio, or more.
To further differentiate a "shared line" from a "dedicated line", if you lose sync in cable generally your neighbors have too, with dsl, your loop is your loop, if you lose sync it is probably just you. Unless something has messed up a F1 (generally 26 pairs running to the b-box) or something in the CO.

said by Healbot:

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"3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?"

You don't get a dedicated line you moron unless you have a T1, You share the CO's bandwidth with everyone on the RT or CO

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SBC never really has capacity problems these days.

thats funny my comcast cable doesnt suffer slow down at peak hours but maybe that is just me. Where do you live that your comcast is slowing down?

Plus you still have to have phone service with SBC to get DSL unlike cable which doesnt force you too it is still optional.

said by niccolus:

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thats funny my comcast cable doesnt suffer slow down at peak hours but maybe that is just me. Where do you live that your comcast is slowing down?

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That was my thought as well: have had Comcast twice now with SBC DSL in-between, and I've never had any noticeable slowdowns at any particular time.

Overall my Comcast connect has been 99% perfect.

said by schnuggles:

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Overall my Comcast connect has been 99% perfect.

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Mine too, but if I had SBC instead of shiatty Verizon I would signup for that plan in a second, I could always use more speed.

said by niccolus:

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thats funny my comcast cable doesnt suffer slow down at peak hours but maybe that is just me. Where do you live that your comcast is slowing down?

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Anything will slow down if its oversold enough. including DSL. when i had my Qwest DSL (640/272) it would slow to sub dialup speeds and 500ms pings at peak times of usage. as for the cable reqs their no video penalties are the equivelent of a basic barebones phoneline (using comcast as example with= 42.95 without= 57.95 so on that part its pretty much a wash)

I was just wondering if anyone knows if they disconnect your service in the process of upgrading you to 3Mb one. I wouldn't want to be without internet access for a week or so.

said by Dennnnn:

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I was just wondering if anyone knows if they disconnect your service in the process of upgrading you to 3Mb one. I wouldn't want to be without internet access for a week or so.

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No they shouldn't it would just be a provisioning change on the card in the DSLAM, should only take you down for about 15 to 20 seconds

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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They can't! the end

has anyone heard anything more about Qwest DSL upgrades that are suppost to be going into effect this week or next.

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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By offering HSI in areas that SBC doesn't, or has crappy DSL speeds like in my neighborhood.

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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It's fabulous! I've been on that plan for about a year now.

The only thing new for me is just a better price ....
I'll be saving $50 a month with the new price change!

said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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It's actually 6000/608, they just advertise it as 3, makes no sense but that's how it is.

said by Speedy8:

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said by AR:

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3Mbps of uncapped, unmetered, dedicated line. No slow downs during peak hours.

How will Comcast top that?

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It's actually 6000/608, they just advertise it as 3, makes no sense but that's how it is.

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Maybe it's burstable?

-- Elias

They are advertising it that way so that they have an affordable comfort zone out to the maximum limit of the speed plan. Closer to 9K feet, people will see the 3mb/sec speeds. Closer than 6k feet, people will most likely see 5+ mb/sec. As far as it has been discussed in the SBC forums, it is just a re-branded, misnamed DSL Expert Package that originally was 3.5~6mb/sec that cost over $100/month.

I am very anxious to see how it pans out, since I am close to the limit for top speeds on a wide open DSLAM profile. And yes...

I re-upped for a one year contract after placing an order for this $44.99 speed demon, bandwidth hog's delight package. Let's see how SBC continues to deliver top notch service while upping the ante in my neighborhood....

Well remind you that you are locked into a 1-year term, otherwise it is much more expensive.

When you compare that to many cable contracts where its month to month, cable is much cheaper.

Then add the fact that it is required that you have their telephone service, well where is the deal? Cable will give you a better deal on internet if you get TV also, but its not forced down your throat.

Plus, in many cases you don't know what speeds you actually will get until its installed and running, and if it does not meet your expectations, you are stuck.

SBC is trying to play catch-up because they are losing. Once the cable companies offer a quality VOIP service, then there will be droves leaving SBC.

Comparing apples to apples, it does not measure up.

Give me something that is actually going to compete with cable on the same level.

G

Easily. Comcast brought service to my area while SBC has said for years that I am too far and done nothing to remedy the situation. I would love to get DSL and ditch Comcast, even if it means a speed reduction, but until SBC installs the necessary equipment I have no choice.

Well I just got ramped up to the 6.0/608 package a couple of hours ago. An my speed to the local SBC test site (Southfield Michigan) yielded a 4902/517 result. I am on an RT but do not know the distance. Does not really matter because those results are close to maximum anyways. WOW!!! What a difference! GET IT IT RULES.

BTW: My brother has had Comcast Cable Internet pretty much from the start. He lives in the burbs about 25 miles southwest of Detroit, MI. I have seen for myself how cable internet slows to a CRAWL!!! Sometimes it was worse than dial-up. The cablers in this thread must be very lucky because all of people I know in this state and surrounding areas always slow to a crawl at peak-usage time. My test was done about 4:30pm EST. Great numbers. And I bet they will drop very little when I test it again tonight about 7:30pm. CABLE can never do that in every household. Granted all households will not be able to attain those speeds or even get DSL but it still rocks cables world!!! Give DSL a little more time because at this rate cable will be a hurtin' unit in a few years!

said by reddog000:

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Well I just got ramped up to the 6.0/608 package a couple of hours ago. An my speed to the local SBC test site (Southfield Michigan) yielded a 4902/517 result. I am on an RT but do not know the distance. Does not really matter because those results are close to maximum anyways. WOW!!! What a difference! GET IT IT RULES.

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Don't forget to retweak!

My connection never slows down, I get 3200-3500 down and 240-260 up on a 24x7, 365 basis, and very low latency. I'm sure it helps being a very rural county, but they did spend millions of dollars upgrading our network, so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it too.

there trying to tell me they cant do it i have 768 to 1.5 im 3000 feet away from rt its been a week since the completion date and im still trying to get the 1.5 to 3.0

Don't get me wrong, I love my SBC DSL but these new packages are not being offered in CT. I thought we were all one big happy SBC family. Apparently not!

CT Packages - »www04.sbc.com/DSL_new/co ··· 2181B0S0

Not much else to say, 6Mb/608kbs rocks! For only $45 is just UNREAL. Guess the next question is when should we see the speed changes:)

Funny thing is SBC didnt have to go this low for me, I never considered Comcast anyways:) My DSL service with SBC has been wonderful.

Thx SBC, WTG! - You now get my services of a salesperson for FREE. I will have nothing but good things to say about SBC. BTW - I have their UNLIMITED Local/Long Distance deal for about $50. With these DSL speeds and my phone service SBC is a monthly bill I can be proud of.

Unless you're relatively close to the CO or have an RT in your neighborhood, you're not going to be able to attain 3 Mbps down via ADSL. Perhaps that is what SBC is banking on: the number of users who will qualify for the highest speed tiers will be a relatively small fraction of their total ADSL customer base.

- Dan

I've had the 6 megabit line from SBC since May, and I'm 7000 ft from the RT.. I get 5.29 megabit/sec on my line no problem... Very clean, stable and reliable..

dammit when will verizon open their eyes and offer tiers like these?!

Many tries to sign on with SBC DSL a couple years ago have turned sour. Once through DirecTV, then again through DSL Extreme. Both had verified service was available but was later told by both that my line is too far away. This is in a relatively decent neighborhood in the middle of Los Angeles. I guess I'll live with my 40.00/mo 1.5 down cable connection.:(

Take a good look at your peers and follow suit. I'll pay the 50% difference for a tier like that.

be in service!

VZ is just too lazy from over feeding on consumers to upgrade its network.

More houses going up in my area, more SLC's and non DSL RT's.

VZ in my area of FL has pretty much surrendered access to BorgWarner in areas not presently served by DSL and has no intention of upgrading now or in the future.

VZ techs don't even want to see me. I've begged for 3 years. I've given up.

i am in i already have called.

Same here, just called and upgraded and got free modem to boot. I'm on a RT so I should be set. Thank you SBC!

also if someone has or need a static ip package with more then 5 IPs, SBC has unleashed an incredible deal on that too »changed??? static IPs-block qty options now

It just sounds too good to be true.

Disclaimer up front. No one knows for sure, each provider may vary.....

Does anyone have a feel for these deals being passed on through the alternate ISP's that get their lines via SBC/ASI?

I could switch, but with static IP's set up, DNS for servers, rDNS all nice and set up, I would rather not.

I was torn, but since I'm unwilling to pay $100/mo for the 5 static 6.0/608, I'm switching to Speakeasy's 1.5/768. Grnated, getting DNS all setup again will be a PITA, waiting for it to propagate and get Speakeasy's engineers involved to delegate my IPs, but they claim to fully support customer-run DNS, so I should be fine. I'm looking forward to the 768 upstream. 1.5 is plenty fast down for me.

said by pflog:

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I was torn, but since I'm unwilling to pay $100/mo for the 5 static 6.0/608, I'm switching to Speakeasy's 1.5/768. Grnated, getting DNS all setup again will be a PITA, waiting for it to propagate and get Speakeasy's engineers involved to delegate my IPs, but they claim to fully support customer-run DNS, so I should be fine. I'm looking forward to the 768 upstream. 1.5 is plenty fast down for me.

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Yea, I visted the SBC site just after posting this. Basically they are charging 55 bucks for a static IP address. I am going to pass also.

Before I jump on the bandwagon I just want to know if anyone knows what IP is included with this service ? Is it the infamous crappy SBC PPPOE, just a regular dynamic IP, or a static ip ?

Don't you have to be like 1000 feet away from the CO to get that speed? I am 13k from mine and highest I can get is 784k/128k.....

EDIT: typos

A lot of times it's because the ISP set a cap on the hardware.

The other times are because of line conditions.

I know a few people getting 1120/128 over 25,000 feet.

Comments?

SBC has been the frontunner for the past 6 months when it comes to reshaping the standard levels of service in the broadband industry, and now they come out with something like this!!!( I know sonic.net and a few others already had it, but only because SBC allowed it.) Anyways, go SBC and I hope that your actions convince the other broadband companies that they better either improve their services and offer lower prices, or eventually die out.

I totally agree. SBC completely rocks! I thought the recent teir changes were a step in the right direction, but damn, I never would have thought they'd unleash the 6 megabit teir at these prices. I'm extremely happy to have SBC as my phone company!!

GO SBC!!

-- Rob

Get 1305/235 but I guess at 22,000 feet from the CO thats all I can get hehe
44.99 for 3.0/384 was so sweet sounding too

...Plans to jump on the bandwagon! I use an alltel DSL line and am capped at 1.5... I am ready to open this puppy up!

Comon Alltel!
I can handle it!

SWI>sh int wan0
wan0 ADSL Physical Port
Line Trained
Data rate 1536 Kbps down; 288 Kbps up
Line capacity 10472 Kbps down; 928 Kbps up
SNR Margin 28 dB; previous 28 dB
Attenuation 41.5 dB; previous 41.5 dB

Verizon - Take Notice

If you raise you speeds to match Comcasts', I'm yours! I'm am sick-and-tired of Comcast. I have Direct TV and resent the fact that Comcast wants to charge me $59.95 because I don't want their crappy cable tv.

Go SBC keep lowering prices and upgrading service. I have Charter and everytime SBC lowers prices and upgrades Charter trys to match.Because of that I pay for 2mb/128 for 49.99 and get 3mb/282..... gotta love those price wars.

From the sbc web site, it seems as though after 1 year the price will go up to the month-to-month price, $139.95. Is that the catch?

said by Me530i:

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From the sbc web site, it seems as though after 1 year the price will go up to the month-to-month price, $139.95. Is that the catch?

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From this post, it will remain 44.95 indefinitely until you change package again. But why would you want to when there isn't anything faster?
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