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tdkyo
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2004-Feb-11 4:24 pm
Take ES5 OUT!Please, ES5 is bunch of bloated program with lame and out dated features that they are using to promote their unrealistic cloaking from the RIAA. WASTE is the best for annymous p2p because it's hard to get in to the "group" and second all transmissions are encrypted, making RIAA wasteful to sniff packets that looks garbage.
Small and trusted p2p network is the safest p2p network IMO. | |
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| Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDIS Premium Member join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX |
Re: Take ES5 OUT!Uh oh, you've done it now! Expect the pro ES5 trolls to be showing up here any moment. | |
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tdkyo
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2004-Feb-11 11:49 pm
Re: Take ES5 OUT!Well, the truth is the truth, ain't it?;) | |
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borborpaSlipping Slowly Into Oblivion Premium Member join:2002-02-20 New Cumberland, PA |
borborpa
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2004-Feb-11 4:24 pm
Lord of the Rings"the gaze of that confounded RIAA eye peering over the mountains of Mordor."
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Re: Lord of the Ringsme too... still chuckling:D | |
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Re: Lord of the RingsRIAA = SAURON:D | |
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warlock56 Premium Member join:2002-07-31 Dallas, TX |
File sharing too risky?Bah, just use newsgroups | |
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Re: File sharing too risky?Only the laws can protect you from the RIAA/MPAA's lawsuit, no cloaking method is going to stop them anytime soon! Looking for a target to sue is very easy for them as there are still many user who are wide open to their intrusion!!! | |
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Newsgroups are great, except for one problem. Not all ISP's carry the 'alt.binary' groups (where all file attachments are supposed to go) AND not all ISP's 'keep' all the messages -- in fact, some deliberately set the expire timeouts low so that if server space is at a premium, a large binary file message will get deleted to make room for several small text messages that are as little as 5 minutes 'newer'.
So newsgroup sharing becomes a 'scavenger hunt' exercise, where you can get MOST of a file youw ant, but have to go hunting for the one message (or four) that will complete the 'collection' and enable you to reassemble your file.
The pay-to-play newsgroup services like Supernews are much better... but their rates are almost as high per month as ISP access (sometimes more, depending on how much data you pull).
But yes, they are reasonably anonymous...keep in mind that posts to USENET go through SMTP (email outbound) so are subject to the same anonymity restrictions (branded with originating IP etc). Most privacy-savvy users can get around this using SMTP proxies and forged headers, but the average Joe probably will not know how to go about doing this. | |
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Re: File sharing too risky?And then you have companies like Covad who get their feeds from Supernews, but then put unrealistically LOW speed caps on your downloads. That really sucks! | |
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Re: File sharing too risky?Speed cap sucks, I would be very unhappy. | |
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said by dcnblues: Newsgroups are great, except for one problem. Not all ISP's carry the 'alt.binary' groups (where all file attachments are supposed to go)
man, you know how much bandwidth those alt.binaries newsgroups use? meh, I know an isp that uses 98% of it's 100mbps line just from newsgroups. but i'm not complaining =) don't hate; share warez | |
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Newsgroups aren't available to every person freely by their own ISPs and premium pay services that are out there don't come without their limitations.. Newsgroups also aren't necessarily anonymous to the uploader/poster of material either.. I'm actually quite surprised that RIAA/MPAA and their lobbyists haven't focused on this source considering what binaries groups offer to their downloaders. I'd assume that their focus is centered around the easiest target that is the most publicised amongest fairly uneducated PC users. Although one must wonder how long this trend will last until the watchdog groups eventually set their sights higher on bittorrent and newsgroups as well... | |
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Re: File sharing too risky?News groups will never go away. Unless you block ip traffic from those countries where RIAA and others have no teeth.
Usenet dates prior to the web. | |
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tdkyo
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2004-Feb-11 11:49 pm
Re: File sharing too risky?Besides, there are still forum chatting going on in newsgroups today with all the binaries postings. Taking down newsgroups means down with all the news net forum chatter that has been going for years and years and years. | |
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to warlock56
said by warlock56: Bah, just use newsgroups
No let the kiddies use kazaa, more bandwith for me w00t!:) | |
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A star born?Has anyone heard of something called Supernova? | |
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Re: A star born?Frankly I'm really surprised that site is still up. I keep waiting for it to die off.....I suppose it just needs one or two mainstream articles on Bit Torrent to do the job...... | |
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Re: A star born?Practically took the words out of my mouth... Bittorrent isn't anonymous and its users can be traced. The seeder sites posting links usually are high traffic as well which means they're public and just as easily a target for lawsuits or DDoS attacks... | |
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You must be referring to suprnova.org. It is a good list, but that is it. The content isn't dynamic just the thousand or so files they have on the site. | |
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Suprnova has already been in the mainstream press (MSNBC article somewhere on this site).
The RIAA/MPAA have been snooping Suprnova users for quite some time, and many letters have been sent to downloaders. With Bittorrent, if you're downloading, you're uploading, so everyone is guilty. I'm not surprised Suprnova is still online... they have many mirrors most of which are located in other countries. The site that lists the torrents is not nearly as prone to shutdowns as the trackers that coordinate the transfers themselves. There's nothing illegal about listings.
Besides, keeping the site alive provides a steady flow of illegal downloaders for the authorities to sue.
Suprnova is the 'Kazaa' of Bittorrent. It's the most mainstream and easily accessible BT site. With something like a million hits a day, you can bet your ass the RIAA/MPAA is watching.
I personally believe P2P will be victorious over the authorities. The technology cannot be stopped, and security will only get better and better. But that victory is still a long way off. So until that time, if you don't want to get sued, the only way to truly avoid it is don't download illegal content.
P2P will prevail, as there are countless legal applications of such a technology. | |
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wolfox
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2004-Feb-12 3:47 pm
Re: A star born?said by chodesweat:
P2P will prevail, as there are countless legal applications of such a technology.
Here, here! I use it to grab all of the television episodes of my favorite shows. I cannot be bothered to go through the local Cable Co... Their digital services are worse than their analog TV services. (And that is pretty bad, let me tell you.) I have BitTorrent running to grab my Enterprise, Red Dwarf, Space 1999, Southpark and Futurama episodes. Next month I an going to collect what I can of Voyager and Deep Space 9. Kill your TV! Broadband rocks! | |
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Re: A star born?quote:
Kill your TV! Broadband rocks!
See sig for details. | |
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MoracCat god join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ |
Morac
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2004-Feb-11 4:58 pm
Centralization is bad. Only encryption will do.So the RIAA just subpoenas this guy's company for the information passing through the companies proxys instead of going after the end users. Or they sue and shut him down.
Unless you are doing end to end encryption it doesn't matter how many proxy servers you jump through. You can still be traced back to your source, it just takes a court order. | |
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Re: Centralization is bad. Only encryption will do.I think the idea is that his company and servers are in a country the RIAA can't touch, but still, its just not going to do any good. At the rate they are going, the RIAA is going to have their own special-ops forces in about 6 months. | |
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Re: Centralization is bad. Only encryption will do.The revolution will not be televised Civil waranyone? | |
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Ever read Digital Fortress? | |
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Re: Centralization is bad. Only encryption will do.I have, great book . Let's just hope it's not accurate . | |
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GOFUGYOURSELF
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2004-Feb-11 5:48 pm
With ANY luck, all of the Pirates will ROT in JailWith any luck, every scumbag Pirate and P2P enabler will get his "day in court" and then ROT in jail.
You gotta be pretty fugging dumb to think society is gonna allow you to steal someone else's artistic work. Get a fugging job like the rest of us and you won't need to steal. | |
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Re: With ANY luck, all of the Pirates will ROT in Jailsaid by GOFUGYOURSELF: You gotta be pretty fugging dumb to think society is gonna allow you to steal someone else's artistic work....
I totally agree, Britney Spears' Toxic video is SOOO artistic. GOD what are we thinking? /smashes self in face with brick. | |
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You must be a " struggling Artist",well too bad | |
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---------------------------------------------------------- With any luck, every scumbag Pirate and P2P enabler will get his "day in court" and then ROT in jail.
You gotta be pretty fugging dumb to think society is gonna allow you to steal someone else's artistic work. Get a fugging job like the rest of us and you won't need to steal. ---------------------------------------------------------- You must be with metalica:D | |
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Ohh My are you a RIAA Chestapo man? In Fact the RIAA Ghestapo tactics if you read about their raids and Strategies are no differen then the Ghestapo raids and tactic in Nazi German looking for Radio Recievers and hidden people wanted by them. Or can you say Secret Police | |
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said by GOFUGYOURSELF: With any luck, every scumbag Pirate and P2P enabler will get his "day in court" and then ROT in jail.
You gotta be pretty fugging dumb to think society is gonna allow you to steal someone else's artistic work. Get a fugging job like the rest of us and you won't need to steal.
Hey look it's lars from metallica.... oops may get sued for using the band name without the copyright mark and the trademark as well. bahhh just stream music from good sources... who has all that space for mp3's. | |
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To: That righteous Joan of Arc for artists and defender of greedy fat already too rich swine. From: your personal "fugging" Antichrist You've got to be even "fugging" dumber to think that any artist is actually going to see a "fugging" penny of the money the RIAA and Big labels is missing, way to stand up for the corporate majority. God forbid the masses set the prices. When a shitty cd with one good song on it costs 2 bucks, like it should, I'll buy the piece of shit! By the way society obviously believes it's A-OK to download material, so get your "fugging" facts straight. Oh and with any luck, the big labels will keep promoting the shitty music the masses keep downloading so they will lose even more money, and the real artists can emerge on their own two feet, instead of getting a sliver of their own pie. One more thing, someday in your glorious and luminescent future when you work for the RIAA, or one of their whining label members, pushing a paper cart around the office, you'll know all your hard work was worth it, come back home man, get your head out of your ass. | |
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Tomek
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2004-Feb-11 6:56 pm
Mirroring NewsStrange, it seems that our news are mirrored by IRCspy. | |
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real anonymity!!!!!If you want true anonymity get a laptop, wife card, and antenna then start war driving. Use other peoples connections to distribute the latest warez, mp3's and movies. | |
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Glaice
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2004-Feb-11 7:19 pm
Re: real anonymity!!!!!Wifi you meant, and doing that is more illegal than the RIAA pulling these stupidass lawsuits on us.. | |
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Re: real anonymity!!!!!said by Glaice: Wifi you meant, and doing that is more illegal than the RIAA pulling these stupidass lawsuits on us..
Yea, its getting ridiculously stupid but they do whatever it takes to strike fear into the hearts of all file trader by using them as an example. I feel sorry for them as they're just average folks downloading something that are of interest to them. Someones gotta have some balls to stop them or they will just keep screwing over everyone like some badass cop policing the internet for their own gain by sueing illegally which is going too far. Average folks must stand up to them by not giving into their demands but they are too scared to do so. | |
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Waste anybodyAnyone here heard of Waste ???
Also, I am an aspiring musician, and I could give a rats ass if my MP3's are "stolen" by people who don't wanna pay.
I'd give my music away for FREE...NO CHARGE....
Alot of bands would do this, but they are at a death-grip by the RIAA (although that is changing). | |
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Wills9
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2004-Feb-11 8:04 pm
Re: Anyways,,Steganos isn't any better than the rest of them. We were having a traffic issue at work and didn't know why. (The current admin left and left everything undocumented) Turns out we had an open proxy due to a misconfigured appliance.
Steganos had us on their list. Since we are a private company, they shouldn't have known. They are apparently searching for misconfigured connections to add to their list.
I put up a box after the hole was closed to test and sure enough it made it on their lists within a week. | |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature. Premium Member join:2000-08-05 united state |
Snakeoil
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2004-Feb-11 8:59 pm
Someone say 'snakeoil'? :)IMO, if you dance with the devil, then you can't complain when he knocks on your door to collect his dues.
You have to be a brain dead sponge to think that file trading is ok.
Sure its ok to trade "free" programs like linux, but to think its "kool" to trade a new release CD/game/movie is just lame.
I am sure its flattering to the cast and crew of the movies that are traded for free, to see that their movie is "hot" on te P2P networks. But when it comes to getting a paycheck, will the P2P network support them?
I doubt it. Nearly all of the P2P peeps are the "something for nothing" crowd. Instead of working for the cash to pay for the cd or movie, they'd rather steal it [the song or movie or program].
I'd like to see a "surcharge" added to evry broadband users account. Make it 10 bucks a month per so much down load. Go past the download limit, pay another 10 bucks.
I doubt that p2p is going way, so maybe charging by the amount downloaded over a certain limit is the way to go.
Or go back to a pay by the hour to surf the net.. kinda like the old AOL.
Broadband providers don't help with their ads talking about fast file transfer rates.
VPN, BBS.. Host them in a country or on a private island where the laws of the US don't apply, what can then the RIAA, MPAA, and the programers do?
Just what they have, attack those in the US. | |
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Re: Someone say 'snakeoil'? :)said by Snakeoil: Nearly all of the P2P peeps are the "something for nothing" crowd.
I'm sure we can all trust you as you've undoubtedly studied a representative sample of sharers, then specifically file sharers and came to that conclusion. Please point me to your thesis. said by Snakeoil: You have to be a brain dead sponge to think that file trading is ok.
Call me Mr. Squarepants. Regards, David, RIAA Catalogued Offender #19482090421248 [Menace to Society] [Argues in favour of file sharing] [Subject targeted for termination] | |
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2004-Feb-11 9:40 pm
Re: Someone say 'snakeoil'? :)"I am sure its flattering to the cast and crew of the movies that are traded for free, to see that their movie is "hot" on te P2P networks. But when it comes to getting a paycheck, will the P2P network support them?"
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2004-Feb-11 10:44 pm
Reality 101 People !Obviously thieves are slow learners... You steal, you go to jail or pay a heavy fine. THAT is reality. THAT is the law. If you desire to deceive yourself into believing you won't get caught, you're as dumb as you look, and if you look in the mirror, you'll see that's pretty dumb. | |
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anyone still downloading and uploadingSo anyone still downloading and uploading files today? If so what are you using I hear while back and never used winmax for about 3 months in that time frame hear winmax is dead | |
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ctceo
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2004-Feb-12 8:29 am
What does it take?What does it take to convince people that no matter how "private" a network is, the government has technology to bypass it. Once and for all, there is NO WAY, to send data across a phone line and not have it TRACED to a point of origin. Phone monitoring equipment monitors your connection as if they were sitting at your screen or the other end's screen, or any number of screens in between. Give it up, Mr Quick Buck, your service probably won't last very long, and I'd commend you if it did, and retract this statement.
Have fun while it does though. I'd recommend taking your profit at stuffing it in a mattress somewhere nobody can find it other than you, or it'll be locked up in investigation before you know it.
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ConnellyBarnes
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2004-Feb-23 3:50 pm
Information (still) wants to be freeIntellectual property is a contradiction.
Fair use is any use.
There is no "theft" in downloading a file. A corollary of Adam Smith's arguments for capitalism: a download would not occur if it harmed either party involved. Therefore, free communication of information gives the best possible information structure. The gvt is stealing from our culture and our future by turning the potential information power of the Internet into a pop-infested commercial wasteland.
You don't have to listen to me. Perhaps Copyright is the just and moral way. However, we will all be downloading entire video stores in ~20 years. Meditate on that. | |
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Re: Information (still) wants to be freeAgreed, in parts. We must promote sites that have new music/videos/content/news that aren't the same recycled garbage found on the likes of AOL, MSN, CNN and the other major portal sites. Try using an different email than your hotmail account, turn off the damn t.v. and read a book or post your own news on your own site.
The average Joe needs to learn to grow up in terms of branching out from the crap that is produced by major companies that only enforce and promote censorship, laughable lawsuits against filesharers (instead of providing a cheap, legal download service > $.50 song, not $1.00 a pop, cd's are approx. $1 a song, where's the advantage of using a legal d/l service?).
If you must listen to the music that the RIAA puts out, try getting the cd's used on half.com or ebay. Quit putting money in the coffers of the greedy scam arists RIAA and start speaking out with the most powerful tool that the average Joe has:
The Almighty, Good Ol' Fashion American Greenback!
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hiding thy true selfThe riaa is really getting annoying,most of the stuff i have downloaded was from cd's i have bought in the past wich have since been scratched or warped.I feel i have right to download backup copies of what i have allready bought in the past,take me to court,I do have to say that the bands that have a right to be pissed is metallica,they have put stuff out for over 20 years and deserve every pennie they get,what i hate is bands that put out crap and expect u to buy the whole album,thank god for real,69 cents a song is well worth the money.I can tell you from experience that file sharing will just get you into trouble,all those guys and gals out there that right malicious code should focus on better p2p programs,i get viruses on a dailey basis,and have had hell getting rid of them,send some of this towards a more meaningfull purpose,getting rid of spyware and spam ,then i wouldnt be so pissed when i had to buy a new pc from getting hammered for using IE. wooo,had to get that out,lol.,bill gates needs to get off his ass and do something about all the spam and IE haters,screw longhorn,fix what you allready have out there,geeeeeesh. o yea and goto steganos.com and see what they have to offer for you,he he he he Carpe Diem | |
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2004-Oct-5 8:01 pm
$$ for Extra BandwidthUnlimited Bandwidth is one of the points of BroadBAND. I downloaded over 10 gigs of Linux Distros and Half Life Mods in the past week. | |
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anon54987
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2004-Dec-19 3:12 pm
Price of cdsI remeber back when cds first came how they where supposed to be cheaper then the tapes because they are way cheaper to make but now are like $20 a cd. Maybe if the RIAA didnt charge outrages prices this file sharing thing wouldnt be "as big" as it is today. | |
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