  Da22inBuck Fush
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Charlotte, NC | I hope so Can't have DSL without the phone service, can't have a cable modem without subscribing to basic cable... I'm glad the theivery will stop for someone. 
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Oklahoma City, OK | said by jtackett:
but try to get the broadband via cable without being a Comcast customer. They tell you it can't be done.
That's not correct. you can get it, it just costs more. | |
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| | | | | Re: I hope so But the thing is you are really getting basic service. Very few lazy installers are actually going to pu filters up. | |
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| | | | | I stand corrected. Just found the information on the Comcast website. The cost is $15 above the price for comcast cable subscribers (a 30% premium.) Now I wonder if the Telcos are allowed to charge such a premium or is it the same price. Have to do some more research. | |
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| | | |  NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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| Re: I hope so said by jtackett:
I stand corrected. Just found the information on the Comcast website. The cost is $15 above the price for comcast cable subscribers (a 30% premium.) Now I wonder if the Telcos are allowed to charge such a premium or is it the same price. Have to do some more research.
With telcos, you have to purchase their basic phone service for the most part. Sure, there are "naked" DSL deals coming out, but the only ones offering that is Qwest. So, with Comcast, it is right about the same.
This bundled pricing is going to continue. I know some people don't want a basic phone line or basic cable TV because they already have a cell phone as a main line or a dish for television. However, if you want these services, right now you have to pay for the phone or cable. Either that or pay a penalty or you can't get the service at all (in the case of most phone companies). For the most part, the penalty is more than a basic service. Basic cable is 13.50 in my area.
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|  ruscorpI Never Stop Posting For YouPremium
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Earth | said by Da22in:
can't have a cable modem without subscribing to basic cable.
Not true. I have Earthlink with no basic cable. I have Dish Network. | |
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| | | I have Comcast here. The phone lines in the roads around here are TOAST and SBC won't fix them. So, my dial-up went south as well as my phone service. A funny thing though, If I was to UPGRADE to DSL service, SBC said that my phone line would work fine.......Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if that deal comes with any Vaseline? Oh, and of course the 1 year contract BS would have me locked in. NO THANKS!! I called Comcast and got the cable modem deal....So far all is well EXCEPT don't expect anyone in the support section to know diddly squat. Nope, you're on your own in that department.
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|  MellowPremium
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Salisbury, MD | Re: The end? Far from it.... The Dsl provider would just run a dry pair to you from the CO. Its that easy, should have been done this way the whole time. | |
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| | | | Re: The end? Far from it.... said by Mellow:
The Dsl provider would just run a dry pair to you from the CO. Its that easy, should have been done this way the whole time.
You're saying that the DSL provider (in my case, Earthlink) could get DSL to my door without my having to buy the local phone service? Does the article in question here mention that as a possibility? My understanding from PSC rulings in Georgia was that BellSouth was required to give you DSL even if you chose, say, AT&T for local phone service.
Getting DSL WITHOUT the phone company requiring local phone service (or a local phone service activation from ANY provider) would be great.
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| | | | | Re: The end? Far from it.... Rumor has it that Bellsouth will be doing dry pairs in May AND letting the other DSL providers do the same. Not sure how reliable my info is, I'm just repeating something I was told. However, I can't find any info about this on the PSC website or on Bellsouth's. I asked about this in the Atlanta forum and no one else seems to know anything either.
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Salisbury, MD | said by IronChefMoto:
said by Mellow:
The Dsl provider would just run a dry pair to you from the CO. Its that easy, should have been done this way the whole time.
You're saying that the DSL provider (in my case, Earthlink) could get DSL to my door without my having to buy the local phone service? Does the article in question here mention that as a possibility? My understanding from PSC rulings in Georgia was that BellSouth was required to give you DSL even if you chose, say, AT&T for local phone service.
Getting DSL WITHOUT the phone company requiring local phone service (or a local phone service activation from ANY provider) would be great.
IronChefMorimoto
Yes. Cavalier ran a dry pair using my 2nd pair for my dsl to me. 1 pair carries my voice and 1 pair carries my data. Its that simple. NO extra charges on the dsl line, just the 25/month I signed up for. Its only not done because of GREED. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | It is technologically feasible. It's simply not optimal for the telcos. Your POTS money helps pay for the infrastructure. If you don't sign up for dialtone, the margins on DSL just become that much more slim.
Why aren't they doing this to cable? Because cable is an information service, not a telecommunications service, and not subject to the same regulation. As it stands now, anyway. Courts are a tricky thing. | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Nice! I hope Verizon does this in my area... if its cheaper than my Comcast HSI service, I would have to consider switching. Right now it makes no financial sense for me to do so because I have to add the cost of the telegraph line I'd have to get to the cost of the DSL. The combined cost is more than what I pay for my Comcast HSI service.
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Seattle, WA | Bell Monopoly I think BBells should be able to do whatever they want to because THEY own the wires (including denying telco space) | |
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| Re: Bell Monopoly said by SlickEnW:
I think BBells should be able to do whatever they want to because THEY own the wires (including denying telco space)
If they knew how to respect their customers and offer fair pricing, that would be fine. But with the abusive business practices of the Bells, something must keep them regulated. Could you imagine how poor the service would be and how high the price would be if there were NO regulation of DSL.. There would be very little competition('cept in areas served by cable) and the phone companies wouldn't have any incentive to increase the value of their products. The rich execs in these companies should learn to quit biting the hand that feeds them.
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I think BBells should be able to do whatever they want to because THEY own the wires (including denying telco space)
Ya that would be smart.....NOT! Full on anti-competitiveness...one only needs to look to Germany at Deutsche Telekom to see how yer idea would act. If it was that way, we would ALL be still paying for by the minute LOCAL calls just the way DT charges in Europe where they own the lines. Ever seen a local phone bill over 200- in a month? I have, it's not a pretty thing.
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| | | | Re: Bell Monopoly Monopoly - A business no one wanted to invest in until that business got really big and made a lot of money.
Rip off - I build a really big business and spend a lot of money on infrastructure. Then you come along a hundred years later and expect me to "give" you what I built when no one else wanted to build it.
I live in an apartment. I want your garage. You have a 3 car garage. I don't care that you spent the last 30 years paying off the house or that you paid for the materials to build it in the first place. Gimme "my" parking spot in your garage, you parking place monopoly. | |
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| | | | | Re: Bell Monopoly Nice way to over simplify the scenario. Let me repeat. The Bells AGREED to sharing their lines. In other words they worked out a deal with the U.S. government to lease their lines to competitors so they can get better deals on offering long distance services. Nobody twisted their arm. Nobody coerced them. Nobody forced them to take the deal.
The Bells didn't get their monopoly because nobody else wanted to build it. They got it because the government wanted a standardized form of communication. If you check your history you will find out there were plenty of other telcos that ended up getting absorbed by Ma Bell because of this. The Bells have been riding a gravy train and then they screwed up by getting too greedy. That's why they have to share their lines. | |
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join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX | DSL without any phone.... I wonder if It's possible to have DSL without any phone service... basically a dry pair.
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| | | Re: DSL without any phone.... said by starstuff:
I wonder if It's possible to have DSL without any phone service... basically a dry pair.
To answer yer question...yes. This is exactly what Qwest is starting to do
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said by starstuff:
I wonder if It's possible to have DSL without any phone service... basically a dry pair.
To answer yer question...yes. This is exactly what Qwest is starting to do
Thats great. I would love to see Verizon do this. Would love to get rid of my phone line..never use it. | |
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Frisco, TX | Re: DSL without any phone.... They do do this. But, only for their SHDSL product.
What everyone has to understand though, is that the ILEC people have just about every single database with indexes on the TN.
Trust me, coordinating the systems is hard enough when you have a simple indicator like TN to reference. When you have to go by address... I lived in one apartment in college that had three different addresses... 913 E 27th, 913B E 27th, 912-1/2 E 27th... Because the phone company, postal service, and electric company all had different records. It just gets nuts.
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| pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by starstuff:
I wonder if It's possible to have DSL without any phone service... basically a dry pair.
Yes. A friend of mine had not paid his phone bill for a few months and the number was disconnected. However, his DSL service continued to work even after the number was disconnected.
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Westminster, CA | Re: DSL without any phone.... Monthly Price on phone service continued there a one time phone service fee that, that Verizon
the cost of DSL 34.95+phone service continued $26.21 total $61.16 m cable $44,85 total $44,85 that for 3m/384 | |
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| | | | | Re: DSL without any phone.... So you do not have atleast basic cable? Otherwise not fair comparison. | |
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join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA | Sure wish Verizon would do this in Northern VA. I just switched back to Verizon DSL from Comcrap (which actually had great service but charges too much).
I'd quickly drop my landline just to save some extra bucks. And on February 24th, I'm getting rid of Comcast's Digital Cable. I'm just tired of paying for all this stuff particularly channels I don't watch but they don't allow us to choose.
Oh well ........... Now that Sex and the City is almost over, it won't matter much for me until 6 Feet Under Starts up again. | |
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Cable is getting faster, and DSL is still trying to force the bundle.
I'd love to get stand alone DSL, if the cost is right, here, and I guess I can in GA. I'm moving soon too 
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| | | Re: saDSL Cable is shared medium. They can say 3mb, but damn at 4pm when the kids all get home from school, you can kiss THAT goodbye.
Also, shared media are much more easily hackable, so you'd better ensure that you have a good firewall. And even that won't stop someone from capturing packets on the wire (and don't tell me DOCSIS stops this - its a software protocol implemented with hardware... all someone has to do is hack a modem to make it promiscuous...)
I'm staying with DSL.
However, Mr. Anthony Clark at Bell South just told me today that the only way I can keep my telephone number is to find a carrier that resells Bell South DSL... and I'm in a Bell South IFITL neighborhood (fiber to the curb)... So, unless I can get the PSC involved per their ruiling, I'm hosed.
I'm stuck paying $16.00 more per month for phone service than I would have to with an alternate carrier...
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Westminster, CA | Re: saDSL Cable is shared medium, so is DSL shared media are much more easily hackable , the cable line on cable is a incrypt line, I my system on 24hr a day and the speed 3.5m./ to 2.8m upload 384kbps and never go down, the ping on the cable line 8ms | |
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West Des Moines, IA | When? Anyone have any idea when they will begin offering naked DSL to the public?
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| | onluy the ILEC will loose Were I live cablevision is offering High Speed Internet feaster and cheaper then verizon
I work for a CLEC
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