 Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | Co's Curious, the numbers 600 and 700 are mentioned. Typo or are the missing 100 in some other category? | |
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jhawk44
join:2006-10-19
USA | Re: Co's The 100 are in "unprofitable areas" that will never be serviced. | |
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| DarkAssassin
join:2007-09-14
Brooklyn, NY | Where does it say there's 700 Central Offices? | |
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| | Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | Re: Co's It was later edited, thereby answering my question. | |
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jcf228
join:2001-09-05
Brooklyn, NY | 600 COs? Are the 600 COs across Verizon's entire nationwide network?
I know that there are just over 30 COs in Brooklyn and Queens ALONE [and that's only 2/5 of NYC]! | |
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DaSneaky1D
Tell me, where is your father?
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: 600 COs? Don't confuse a CO with a POP. That could be the difference. | |
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brainlessdog
join:2005-11-30
Portsmouth, NH
| I will never see this I have been FairPointed. I do not have FiOS anymore, I have FairPoint Fiber Access Network. In other words, my fiber has hit the FAN. Too bad for me. The good news is that FairPoint will be offering 10Mbps DSL over a new IP/MPLS network. I hope it works! | |
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| aguiar0016
join:2006-01-23
New Bedford, MA | Re: I will never see this so does that mean you are no longer getting the speeds you were getting FiOS? or are they keeping the same speeds but changing the price? | |
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| | brainlessdog
join:2005-11-30
Portsmouth, NH | Re: I will never see this Same speeds, same prices. No TV service. That is what i don't like. I am sick of Comcast. Verizon was supposed to offer TV but never did. Hopefully FairPoint will offer a tv service in the future. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| just because.. Just because the Central Office becomes gpon capable doesn't mean that they will automatically swap out everyone's ONT from BPON to GPON in due course.. These systems were designed to be backwards compatible. The GPON ONT upgrades are on an as needed basis... so they actually does little nothing to provide any meaningful competition to the forefront in areas that already have FIOS. Unless your getting the triple play FIOS with their top tier FIOS internet your probably not going to see GPON ONT if you have BPON any time soon.. & I've heard this from techs as well as the door to door salespeople. | |
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| andrewRedHil
join:2006-02-14
Red Hill, PA
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April 21st, @11:10AM
| Re: just because.. said by tmc8080  :Just because the Central Office becomes gpon capable doesn't mean that they will automatically swap out everyone's ONT from BPON to GPON in due course.. These systems were designed to be backwards compatible. The GPON ONT upgrades are on an as needed basis... so they actually does little nothing to provide any meaningful competition to the forefront in areas that already have FIOS. Unless your getting the triple play FIOS with their top tier FIOS internet your probably not going to see GPON ONT if you have BPON any time soon.. & I've heard this from techs as well as the door to door salespeople. You must be talking about the Motorola ONT being backwards compatible, most BPON was built with telelabs that is not and will need to be replaced. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: just because.. said by andrewRedHil :You must be talking about the Motorola ONT being backwards compatible, most BPON was built with telelabs that is not and will need to be replaced. Rather, what I meant was.. even though they replace the CO equipment with GPON capable line-cards, etc. the end ONT's don't automatically have to be replaced unless necessary. In other words, they don't have to swap out 100% of the customer premise ONT's to GPON if a CO is GPON. Strange to learn that GPON line cards modulating a BPON signal wouldn't be compatible with BPON ONT's from another manufacturer.
** They couldn't be that stupid, as to make things difficult for them, now would they? | |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
| Re: just because.. said by tmc8080 :said by andrewRedHil :You must be talking about the Motorola ONT being backwards compatible, most BPON was built with telelabs that is not and will need to be replaced. Rather, what I meant was.. even though they replace the CO equipment with GPON capable line-cards, etc. the end ONT's don't automatically have to be replaced unless necessary. In other words, they don't have to swap out 100% of the customer premise ONT's to GPON if a CO is GPON. Strange to learn that GPON line cards modulating a BPON signal wouldn't be compatible with BPON ONT's from another manufacturer. ** They couldn't be that stupid, as to make things difficult for them, now would they? That is not how it works - BPON ONT's will not work on a GPON line card and vice versa...and interoperability is not ready yet..So only the same manufacturer's ONT will work on the same manufacturer's line card. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: just because.. So you can't mix BPON ONTs and GPON ONTs on the same 1:32 split fiber?
Semi-pointless upgrade. Kind of like all DSLAMs now come ASDL2 but no US phone company ever turns on ASDL2 mode. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| said by nycdave :That is not how it works - BPON ONT's will not work on a GPON line card and vice versa...and interoperability is not ready yet..So only the same manufacturer's ONT will work on the same manufacturer's line card. Not as simple or cheap an upgrade as it could have been. | |
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BillyG
@nd.edu | What is What is a "CO"? | |
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VZguy
@verizon.com | Re: What is CO - Central Office | |
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join:2002-11-23
Whitehall, PA | Re: What is said by VZguy :
CO - Central Office
If there are 600 of them, it contradicts the term. There can only be one center. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: What is No.
A CO refers to the main center for a wire center. Every small to moderate city or larger needs one. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
 ·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
 ·VoiceEclipse
| Re: What is said by bogey780 :No. A CO refers to the main center for a wire center. Every small to moderate city or larger needs one. To add confusion to the mix, most CO's have "switches" which would have just about everything else that handles T1's to OC192's. Some refer to them as switching centers, Super node computer centers, network centers or just good ole switch sites. POP's are just point of presence where one telco has established a cage of eqp at the LEC for hand off purposes.  | |
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join:2002-11-23
Whitehall, PA | Re: What is Central is still the wrong word. They should be called regional offices. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: What is But they're the CENTER of the wire center. They're not regional offices. | |
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FLengineer
Premium
join:2007-06-26 | Non-Standard Sonet Anyone have any Idea why GPON uses 1.2Gb/s ?? That is a Non-Standard speed. 2.4 is OC-48, 622 is OC-12, and 155 is OC-3 so why use I guess you would call it OC-24 which is NOT a standard speed??? | |
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| Ligtel
join:2005-12-07
Ligonier, IN
| Re: Non-Standard Sonet As a "telco" employee, we use "DS-24" a lot. Any time we halve an OC-48 it's a 24. We don't put in connections that are 24, but if we are hauling Gig Ethernet we'll send two of them over an OC-48 and split it to keep the traffic clean. We also use DS-6 as a speed when slicing up an OC-48. Just depends on what we need. We're starting to switch some of our backhaul fiber over to 10 gig so it's not such a big deal now. | |
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FLengineer
Premium
join:2007-06-26 | Re: Non-Standard Sonet Sorry about the delay forgot about this thread. I believe you are talking about STS-24 or STS-6 not DS. It's still a OC-48 it's just carring 2 STS-24 signals. So are these ONT units actually an OC-48 with a STS-24 data stream? | |
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| bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | That's SONET speeds. | |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| Re: Profitable? said by mobbo :Just curious. I am about to move to a location that gets FiOS and I want the 15/15 package and I intend to use all of it. Would they cut me off if I became unprofitable? As always, it's a numbers game. Verizon (like any provider) is counting on the fact that not all of its customers will use all available bandwidth all the time (regardless of the marketing hype in this article). While Verizon's expanding capacity is probably better than most, it's not infinite.
However, having said all that, not a single Verizon customer has ever reported here that Verizon cut them off because of excessive bandwidth usage. | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
| it's partly due to the fact that VZ and many other baby bells have extensive fiber backbone networks of their own. Verizon, for example, has a Tier 1 network, which means they have free peering to pretty much any other Tier 1 backbone on the net. Also, they make money charging others for transit over THEIR backbone, which helps cover part of their costs. | |
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| rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
·RoadRunner Cable
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April 21st, @01:45PM
| said by mobbo :How can Verizon make a profit by offering so much bandwidth to customers? Bandwidth is expensive, Not as expensive as the telcos WANT you to think. Late last year VZ conducted a field test, dropping a 100 Gbps line card at both ends of existing 10 Gbps fiber, with no other changes to the physical path.
»newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···lly.html
The result-- success-- thereby proving that even with current technology, they can upgrade current 10 Gbps (OC-192) circuits by an order of magnitude (factor of 10) simply by replacing the cards that terminate the fiber.
Sure those cards are expensive today, but over the serviceable life of a long-haul link, it's a nominal one-time cost when compared to the other expenses which go into maintaining the circuits (routing gear, power, salaries, etc) and the fiber itself. | |
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| | lovswr
join:2001-09-15
Stockbridge, GA
| Re: Profitable? To add to this. 3 years ago, VBI was offering my company 184 Oc-3's for less than 1,000 USD per month per port for 24 months. We passed on the deal & we also got a good discount for (potentially) buying so much B/W at one time, but the point remains the same.
Just getting bits from here to there, quickly, is very cheap. Access on the other hand...
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Profitable? said by lovswr :To add to this. 3 years ago, VBI was offering my company 184 Oc-3's for less than 1,000 USD per month per port for 24 months. 1,000 USD just for the ports, or ports + transit?
With transit, that price would even make Cogent dizzy. I've never found VZ (which was once MCI, and UUnet before that) to be all that competitive, even at the Gig-E level, compared to other tier 1's like SAVVIS and Level3. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Have you considered that this is equipment they expect to have around for the long run?
Don't see why more ISPs can't do that. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by mobbo :How can Verizon make a profit by offering so much bandwidth to customers? Bandwidth is expensive, so how can they offer 50Mbps in the future and expect to make a profit? Even if the price is $200 - $250/month, someone using up 50Mbps and, say, 20 - 25Mbps upstream would eat up that revenue quick. Bandwidth isn't as expensive as everyone makes out and for every joe hog theres 10 ginny grandmas checking email
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Compare this to AT&T's approach ... "VDSL is enough."
Verizon may not be perfect, but at least they're forward thinking, not stuck in the past. | |
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Vamp
5c077
Premium
join:2003-01-28
MD | Mine is GPON.. Mine was initially built on GPON.
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| EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Mine is GPON.. Do you have TV? I've heard that Verizon still hasn't introduced FiOS TV on GPON systems commercially yet. | |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY | Re: Mine is GPON.. No, GPON has FiOS TV now....It is beyond early field trials - any GPON customer in a FiOS TV-enabled area can get it. | |
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Smith6612
Premium
join:2008-02-01
united state
·Verizon Online DSL
·FrontierNet Intern..
 ·Dish Network
| Heh... My CO still has yet to be wired for FiOS, but they are wiring it this summer to sometime next year, and the same time they will be running the lines out to where I am. They'll mopst likely install GPON here, so that'd be a plus since the only thing out here besides Wireless (via cell/G3) and Satellite is Cable and DSL. | |
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