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| Re: The lesson is if Verizon is selling, don't buy said by morbo :I believe that Verizon is a generally well run company. I agree with their FIOS plans especially given the piss poor alternative a la AT&T's U-Verse. However, allowing Verizon to divest these "unprofitable" areas should be stopped as it clearly is a one-sided deal. Where are the regulators that allow this?? At the very least, there should be a 2 year trial period where if it doesn't work Verizon has to re-absorb the company and provide the advertised level of service. Accountability is a good thing. Verizon's outright theft of $2.1 billion of tax incentives from Pennsylvania is another sign of their one-sided dealings. » Picture Perfect Deal So Verizon has forced these companies to buy these areas? That is a mistake of the buying company, not Verizon. There is a reason Verizon is selling off these areas. it's not Verizons fault if they decide to pay too much. They certainly aren't forced to buy them. | |
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join:2005-11-29 Mcdonough, GA
| Verizon pays less taxes.... so taxpayers pay more? How in the world do you figure that.
I pay a set amount of taxes that, while it is still too much, is a static amount based on my take home pay, and how much I purchase.... not how much everyone else pays. | |
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| Re: The lesson is if Verizon is selling, don't buy You don't pay a set amount of taxes. The government changes withholdings as well as the tax rates from time to time. That is why I am constantly having to update my QBooks payroll with payroll updates. Particularly around the beginning of the year we get a ton of change notices.
And ultimately the rates you pay depend on the "need" of government. Here in California for example, because of declining revenue I'm getting put over a barrel. Someone is paying less, so I have to pay more. -- POKE 65495,1 | |
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join:2009-06-02 Parachute, CO
·Comcast
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| Re: The lesson is if Verizon is selling, don't buy That's the one thread of consistency in these PUC's. I've gotten the impression they are just token signature writers, giving away anything for fear of some sort of reprisal on both ends. Guess it must be easier to side with one over the other. That one being........ | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | The PUCs are only serve one purpose. And that is to collect "gifts" from the Utilities and give them what they want. | |
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join:2001-06-02 Edwards, CO | Cost of Living Hawaii high cost of living I think has alot to do with the "unprofitableness" of the telecom companies. Things are pretty insane when it comes to prices on those islands. | |
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join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH
| Re: Cost of Living The cost of living would actually benefit telecom companies, because people would be more accepting of higher prices, and the company would find more subscribers. I believe that's why Hawaii Telecom was able to find a buyer. Hawaii's such a small and isolated territory though. You'd think the state government would have laid out fiber lines themselves by now. | |
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join:2001-06-02 Edwards, CO
·Comcast
| Re: Cost of Living I see your point, but I think in general this is more related to the "standard of living" rather then the "cost of living" and the "standard of living" is somewhat low in Hawaii. That simply means that the people have less money to spend on the goods and services that cost more in other states. Take a look at this: »isteve.blogspot.com/2005/05/stan···ate.html
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join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH 1 edit | Re: Cost of Living Oh yeah that's true. Standard of living is definitely more important than cost of living. On the other hand it's Hawaii (yay weather), so just for technicality sake I'd argue their standard of living is deceptively higher than it appears. | |
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join:1999-12-08 Suffern, NY
| Re: story pic said by pokesph :Magnum PI for the win! ahahaha, I seriously lol'd when i saw the Tom Selleck image It was either him or Jack Lord (who else beside these two say "Hawaii"?). | |
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| Deal excluded wireless network that Hawaiian Tel built What hampered post-sale Hawaiian Telcom was that Verizon KEPT Hawaiian Tel's wireless network and wireless customers. However, the bankruptcy filing was less about operating costs and churn and more about the debt load it had to carry to pay for the new owner's purchase of the company. | |
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·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Deal excluded wireless network that Hawaiian Tel built said by MNLM :
What hampered post-sale Hawaiian Telcom was that Verizon KEPT Hawaiian Tel's wireless network and wireless customers. However, the bankruptcy filing was less about operating costs and churn and more about the debt load it had to carry to pay for the new owner's purchase of the company. It was a good way to shed a few billion dollars worth of debt that they never intended to pay off anyway. The investors who lost every cent of their investment can now invest in a leaner/stronger company now. I'm not making that up either. The day hawaiitelcom filed, the CEO said the note owners will not get even a penny back but he did suggest that hawaiitelcom is now a good investment & said the stock holders can now invest with confidence in hawaiitelcom. | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs:
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| Re: Deal excluded wireless network that Hawaiian Tel built said by SnowyOne :The investors who lost every cent of their investment can now invest in a leaner/stronger company now. I'm not making that up either. The day hawaiitelcom filed, the CEO said the note owners will not get even a penny back but he did suggest that hawaiitelcom is now a good investment & said the stock holders can now invest with confidence in hawaiitelcom. there's one thing that I really don't get about bankruptcies of corporations: why is it so easy to shed the debt, wiping out investors, and then starting clean as if they made no mistakes? There needs to more incentives to not file than to file. Hell, the consumer bankruptcy laws were re-written a few years back to screw consumers. Maybe it's time to re-write the bankruptcy laws for corporations so that they are screwed. We should try to be equal now... | |
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join:2009-06-07 Winnipeg, MB
| Re: OMG.... Yea, the obvious thought being that if the executives couldnt turn it around, its cheaper in the long run to give them the boot. Plus they get lots of goodwill from the those in the trenches.
May have to keep an eye on this one to see how it turns out.
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·Millenicom
·WildBlue
| Deja vu I'm sure that the proper palms have been greased to make sure the PUC looks the other way with these deals. And these Telcoms that pay way too much, I bet the executives make out like bandits once the deal goes through. Then, if the company fails they just jump ship and cash in their golden parachute. -- RIP my babys Buttons 1/15/94-2/9/07 & Beamer 7/24/08, Buttons, Buttons video, Beamer
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