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2007-Nov-12 6:43 pm
smokin fast!Wow, holy fiber optics Batman, that is freaking fast | |
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2007-Nov-13 10:17 am
Re: smokin fast!And it'll only cost you 3x as much to get it with ports 25, 53, and 80 unblocked... | |
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Bellunder
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2007-Nov-12 6:45 pm
A step in the right directionStill slow by worldwide standards but a step in the right direction. | |
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DotMac4
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2007-Nov-12 7:28 pm
Re: A step in the right directionWho worldwide is offering faster than 100Mb speeds residential speeds? There are some high rises in Japan that have 100Mb fiber service for residential. | |
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Re: A step in the right directionsaid by DotMac4:Who worldwide is offering faster than 100Mb speeds residential speeds? There are some high rises in Japan that have 100Mb fiber service for residential. Maybe three years ago that was true. Today, numerous countries in the EU and Asia are rolling out FTTH at 100Mbps (symmetric) and higher in some cases. We're not talking about isolated apartment buildings anymore. What's going to happen to America when so many other countries reach 100Mbps and Americans are still at 30Mbps max? You will see internet "content" cater to those other countries instead of America. Thanks to the greed of US telecom monopolies, and the corruption of the FCC, we are in a broadband and HDTV ghetto, and the gap is getting bigger. Americans now pay more for less! | |
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DotMac4
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2007-Nov-13 10:47 am
Re: A step in the right directionYou say "countries" as if residents there are universally seeing 100Mb service. They aren't. Just like here, a tiny minority in dense cities get that kind of service.
There are providers here doing 20, 30, 50 and 100Mb residential service.
And it's even less true that we're in an HDTV ghetto. We get more HDTV than anyone. In my area I get close to 50 DTV channels OTA and our subscription providers like D* offer dozens and dozens of pay DTV and HDTV channels.
In every country you can find a town, village or hut that has 100Mb service and another that is lucky to get 14kbps service.
And even if what you say is true, and everyone else on earth is at 100Mb and we're at 30Mb, it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. | |
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2007-Nov-13 12:03 pm
Re: A step in the right directionThe difference is in other countries it's already the norm whereas in America it's upscale meaning much higher priced. | |
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DotMac4
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2007-Nov-13 12:39 pm
Re: A step in the right directionIt's not the norm, not by a long shot. Average reported speeds coming from Japan are barely over 10Mb according to Speedtest.net. Our larger cable operators offer speeds much faster than that. | |
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2007-Nov-13 2:34 pm
Re: A step in the right directionNot buying that...
Japan and Taiwan, hell, even China sees speeds much faster then that "average". I agree with the content issue. You can not negate the fact that braodband in the US is still seen as a luxury, but when internet content starts catering to those countries in which broadband has already been seen as a right a loong time ago, the US will be in a bad spot, playing catch up. | |
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2007-Nov-13 2:48 pm
Re: A step in the right directionA few see faster speeds. But a lot of people here see speeds faster than that average.
My point is, not everyone in Japan gets 100Mb fiber just like not everyone in the US gets 50Mb FiOS.
Broadband in the US is absolutely a luxury. You don't go from non-existance to necessity in 11 years. In the US we have tons of sources of information and entertainment which may not be the case in some of these countries where the State controls the media (eg NHK, BBC etc). We also don't have an IPTV driven entertainment system. There is simply no demand for 100Mb non-video residential service. If that were the case there would be no one buying the 7Mb Time Warner plans. Everyone would be buying "extreme" tiers.
Us not having universal 100Mb residential fiber is putting us in a bad spot is a myth. The economy isn't residential fiber driven.
Anyone who thinks that 100Mb residential broadband is a necessity that will bring the End of Days if not deployed is dellusional. Residential 100Mb speeds is not the norm anywhere on earth, not in Japan, Taiwan or China. | |
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said by OB Kenobi:Thanks to the greed of US telecom monopolies, and the corruption of the FCC, we are in a broadband and HDTV ghetto, and the gap is getting bigger. Americans now pay more for less! We don't pay more for less by global standards because thanks to bushy the dollar value is going down the tube. We're still paying the same global value for the same product. Gold is $900 US dollars for a reason, and is not because its supply is shrinking. | |
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said by OB Kenobi: Americans now pay more for less! Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
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you obvously dont know what you're talking about. 400 Mbps is faster than anything currently available, outside of an OC12 connection. please use your head before you use your mouth.
edit* and since i'm at the top i'll put my message here. I wish ppl would complain about quality of servicy over quantity of service. I mean who really gives a damn that you can max out your hard drive's ability to write data. Thats great. Now you can download the tv shows and applications that will take you a year to actually view- in only seconds! I mean, someone can really create a mess of files with that kind of speed right? What about 40 ms latency cross country, or 0 packet loss? now thats when i'll get giddy. | |
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Re: A step in the right directionsaid by dll31p:please use your head before you use your mouth. That is a politically incorrect statement. | |
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2007-Nov-12 8:30 pm
Re: A step in the right directionand u think i care why? | |
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Re: A step in the right directionIt was a joke. | |
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2007-Nov-12 9:36 pm
Re: A step in the right directioni know, thats why i wasnt rude | |
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2007-Nov-12 8:50 pm
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And there are hardly any servers that would be able to support your sustained download speeds, I have even noticed that downloading all my emails from Google is below 1 meg, so if a huge company like Google doesn't max out my 1.5 meg dsl, it would help with very few servers to have a 100 or 400 meg download connection. | |
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2007-Nov-12 8:53 pm
Re: A step in the right directionits probably less than 1 meg because your reading mB. or kB rather in your download screen. you would need an 8 "meg" connection for windows to tell you your getting 1 mB. | |
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said by LSJ :
And there are hardly any servers that would be able to support your sustained download speeds, I have even noticed that downloading all my emails from Google is below 1 meg, so if a huge company like Google doesn't max out my 1.5 meg dsl, it would help with very few servers to have a 100 or 400 meg download connection. I would figure that servers and companies would always have faster connections than the residential sector... Demand goes up supply should too, over time that is. | |
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said by dll31p:you obvously dont know what you're talking about. 400 Mbps is faster than anything currently available, outside of an OC12 connection. please use your head before you use your mouth. edit* and since i'm at the top i'll put my message here. I wish ppl would complain about quality of servicy over quantity of service. I mean who really gives a damn that you can max out your hard drive's ability to write data. Thats great. Now you can download the tv shows and applications that will take you a year to actually view- in only seconds! I mean, someone can really create a mess of files with that kind of speed right? What about 40 ms latency cross country, or 0 packet loss? now thats when i'll get giddy. I agree with you. So called speed is overrated. Latency is important too. The size of the pipe is one factor. | |
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2007-Nov-13 12:06 pm
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But how many users will be on the 400 Mbps node? It doesn't matter about the speed unless it's a true dedicated line all that matters is how many users are on the node. Face the facts it will be useless in America as they'll saturate the node whereas in other countries it's not all about profit and stealing all the subscriber's money. | |
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2007-Nov-13 1:18 pm
Re: A step in the right directionWhich country is that? | |
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K3SGM
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2007-Nov-12 6:50 pm
As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-E400Mbps, from the same people that can't get a stupid GUI program guide to work right. ROTFLMAO I hear the 1Gbps deployments are already already being rolled out on the moon, and they will begin taking orders at the end of the next quarter. No mention of WHAT moon, and WHAT next quarter, but hey, at least this testing is going on in where else but Pennsylvania, the State Verizon loves to bypass on speed upgrades. They'll test it here, get it working, then take it away to another Fios market with promises to bring it back again SOON.. | |
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2007-Nov-12 7:54 pm
Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-EI remember your situation from before, but I'm afraid that it seems from my experience and reading that at least in Pittsburgh FIOS KICKS SOME SERIOUS ASS on the competition, and is amazing. | |
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to K3SGM
said by K3SGM:400Mbps, from the same people that can't get a stupid GUI program guide to work right. ROTFLMAO I hear the 1Gbps deployments are already already being rolled out on the moon, and they will begin taking orders at the end of the next quarter. No mention of WHAT moon, and WHAT next quarter, but hey, at least this testing is going on in where else but Pennsylvania, the State Verizon loves to bypass on speed upgrades. They'll test it here, get it working, then take it away to another Fios market with promises to bring it back again SOON.. West Chester PA isn't exactly the tech center of the world... What do you have? QVC??? That's about it. Thanks for getting us the AR forum though. -Tzale | |
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K3SGM
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2007-Nov-12 8:25 pm
Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-Esaid by Tzale:said by K3SGM:400Mbps, from the same people that can't get a stupid GUI program guide to work right. ROTFLMAO I hear the 1Gbps deployments are already already being rolled out on the moon, and they will begin taking orders at the end of the next quarter. No mention of WHAT moon, and WHAT next quarter, but hey, at least this testing is going on in where else but Pennsylvania, the State Verizon loves to bypass on speed upgrades. They'll test it here, get it working, then take it away to another Fios market with promises to bring it back again SOON.. West Chester PA isn't exactly the tech center of the world... What do you have? QVC??? That's about it. Thanks for getting us the AR forum though. -Tzale Yup, West Chester,PA, the home of QVC. It's little more than a 24/7 TV commercial, and they actually charge admission for people to tour their studios. Who the heck wants to pay to watch a live broadcast of a TV commercial??? | |
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Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-EWhich is really sad considering who used to occupy that campus. Oh well... those days are gone. | |
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K3SGM
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2007-Nov-12 10:36 pm
Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-Esaid by Enlightener:Which is really sad considering who used to occupy that campus. Oh well... those days are gone. Yea, I miss Commodore Business Machines too. It was cool to have Commodore anchored here in West Chester, they had a really good thing going at first, but were somewhat ill guided, and it killed them off. | |
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Tzale
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2007-Nov-12 10:54 pm
Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-Esaid by K3SGM:said by Enlightener:Which is really sad considering who used to occupy that campus. Oh well... those days are gone. Yea, I miss Commodore Business Machines too. It was cool to have Commodore anchored here in West Chester, they had a really good thing going at first, but were somewhat ill guided, and it killed them off. Cool, never knew that. | |
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2007-Nov-13 3:45 pm
Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-EAlright, Commodore was great and so was CATS, but the first person to include the word 'Amiga' next to the phrase 'is not dead' get's a smack... | |
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Tzale
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2007-Nov-13 4:19 pm
Re: As Usual, Verizon Is Full Of It.... V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-Esaid by yositune :Alright, Commodore was great and so was CATS, but the first person to include the word 'Amiga' next to the phrase 'is not dead' get's a smack... hmmm.. We got FCC feds visiting our board... Do you guys take notice of the BS that goes on in the Broadband Industry???? Basically everyone besides Verizon??? | |
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2007-Nov-12 10:53 pm
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said by K3SGM:said by Tzale:said by K3SGM:400Mbps, from the same people that can't get a stupid GUI program guide to work right. ROTFLMAO I hear the 1Gbps deployments are already already being rolled out on the moon, and they will begin taking orders at the end of the next quarter. No mention of WHAT moon, and WHAT next quarter, but hey, at least this testing is going on in where else but Pennsylvania, the State Verizon loves to bypass on speed upgrades. They'll test it here, get it working, then take it away to another Fios market with promises to bring it back again SOON.. West Chester PA isn't exactly the tech center of the world... What do you have? QVC??? That's about it. Thanks for getting us the AR forum though. -Tzale Yup, West Chester,PA, the home of QVC. It's little more than a 24/7 TV commercial, and they actually charge admission for people to tour their studios. Who the heck wants to pay to watch a live broadcast of a TV commercial??? My mother... And she still thinks she is getting a good deal if one of the hosts tells her so!!!! | |
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2007-Nov-13 10:14 am
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I used to live near West Chester. While the town itself may not be a technological Mecca, you should direct your attention a few miles East.
West Chester is where a lot of the people who work in that area live, and just what goes on a few miles East?
South Eastern PA is a center for many Pharmaceutical companies. One notable example, Wyeth. They may not be 'IT', but pharmaceutical companies are certainly not luddites.
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KA3, for all your hate, sometimes you let it cloud your opinion a bit too much. It is indeed real and trials are underway. We all know you have had some serious issues with your FIOS service and that is a huge headache but the sarcastic posts are really not doing you any good. | |
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ropeguru
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2007-Nov-12 6:52 pm
Ho hum...Who cares when you are stuck in AT&T hell...
Being in BS territory, I am still paying more for less. They will probably drag this out as long as they can for the CEO's pockets.. | |
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2007-Nov-12 6:56 pm
Re: Ho hum...lol so much for comcast's docsis 3 speeds | |
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said by ropeguru:Who cares when you are stuck in AT&T hell... Being in BS territory, I am still paying more for less. They will probably drag this out as long as they can for the CEO's pockets.. I feel y'all I'm stuck with ATT and Charter crap. | |
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I am wondering what cablevision has to fight thisThis is getting interesting. I wonder what cablevision will do to fight this. They were going to use the narad tech (company basically got bought out of business so really doesnt exist now) to give 50/50 and 100/100 .
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ztmike
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2007-Nov-12 7:03 pm
Re: I am wondering what cablevision has to fight thissaid by majortom1029:This is getting interesting. I wonder what cablevision will do to fight this. They were going to use the narad tech (company basically got bought out of business so really doesnt exist now) to give 50/50 and 100/100 . I hope they start rolling out docsis 3 soon to match this. docsis 3 as far as i know is not capable of 400mbps | |
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2007-Nov-12 7:10 pm
i'm ecstatic. can you smell it?whats tomorrow? 1000 GB/s trials and most of us can only get 5 MB/s for $50
yeah, im thrilled.
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garmst
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2007-Nov-12 7:21 pm
I'll take 10/10 and leave you guys to argueOther than bragging all I need is 10/10 for 98% of my fun/work. Anything else is a general waste of resources. | |
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Re: I'll take 10/10 and leave you guys to argueYou don't understand, faster is ALWAYS better! | |
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sholling
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2007-Nov-12 7:28 pm
Smoke & MirrorsConsidering that they passed by all but a couple of our neighborhoods and moved on it's all smoke and mirrors. | |
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robertfl
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2007-Nov-12 7:44 pm
..and the rest of us will get shit onI think my subject says it all don't you think? FIOS is only available in rich upper class neighbourhoods at the moment and the rest of us still get screwed in the ass with slower speeds.
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2007-Nov-12 8:01 pm
Only for NY/NJ subscribers400MB Only for NY/NJ subscribers!! For all the FIOS forum regulars, they'll appreciate this! | |
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2007-Nov-12 8:23 pm
Re: So Many Folks So Negative...youre joking, right? negative? have you seen what speeds and prices are offered in this country (USA) after so many years??? | |
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MarkyD
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2007-Nov-12 8:21 pm
negative responses=jealousy.Everyone responding in a negative fashion is JEALOUS. Heck, I don't blame them, I AM TOO! It DOES suck that providers all across the USA don't have the balls to do what Verizon is doing. Heck, even AT&T with their fiber running to my home won't offer me anything more than 6/1mbps. It's too bad more of the telecoms and Cablecos are not forward thinking like Verizon. I assume that most of us will be stuck with 6-12mbps down and 1mbps or less upload for the foreseeable future. | |
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sounds to good to be trueIf they ever offer such a service at a reasonable price ($200 or under) a month I'm moving south..... That all being said I won't count my chickens.... I can wish though One thing is fore-sure it's in impressive display of what the GPON technology is capable of.... | |
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1Gb/s fiberI must be the lucky one, Here In PA I have the privilege to be able to work with Verizon and on their symmetrical 1Gb/s fiber connections to Schools near Central,Pa. so the trchnology is here, just not cost effective for wide spread deployment | |
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Re: 1Gb/s fiber'just not cost effective for wide spread deployment'
Nailed it on the head.
Cost to deploy is what counts. These are businesses we're talking about. | |
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2007-Nov-12 9:16 pm
who cares?400Mbps service, that's funny. Wake me up when they can manage to roll out 20/5 to all their customers. | |
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From The Land That FIOS ForgotFIOS came halfway up my street, and then when the crew got to the point where the wires go underground, they realized they forgot to bring their shovels with them. We're still stuck with POTS wires that fail whenever it rains. They just recently started offering DSL at 3 mb, which is better than the 19.2 kb dialup service we got on good days before OOL came along. I'm content with my OOL service for now. I'll keep an open mind to Verizon if they ever do come here with FIOS, but in all the years I've dealt with them, they've given us nothing but grief. | |
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Ben
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2007-Nov-12 10:35 pm
It's Just As Well---QUOTE---
The GPON upgrades Verizon is working on will certainly boost network capacity, but substantial 100Mbps+ availability (be it Verizon or Comcast) is clearly years away.
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This is the key phrase. However, I figure, so what? Who's ever going to need that kind of throughput rate? Either now or in the future?
I can feel the difference between dial-up and 1.5Mbps, but I sure can't feel the difference between 1.5Mbps and 4.0Mbps, over 95% of the time. | |
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ATT really piss's me off nowI don't use them but i live in there area, and they suck cause they don't go the extra mile now. U-verse is a joke costing more money than what is is worth. ATT should go ahead and start now while prices are going to be low, cause cost will be higher later. | |
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2007-Nov-12 11:30 pm
Speed400? 20 would be nice, in a suburb of PGH I've had 15 since rollout. Still waiting for the TV service to roll around but Comcast got a tight noose in the area. Can't wait to get rid of that cable line. | |
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..Here in Canada, Fiber to your house? HA? pipe dream. You guys got it good | |
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2007-Nov-13 8:57 am
Re: ..By far not all of us. I am willing to bet I'll be stuck with my RT served dsl for at least the next 10-15 years, and as for cable I can only get one way which is a huge rip off with extremely poor quality. | |
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