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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: fake Good try, but...
They may have issues trying to distribute it this way, unless there is some form of security to test wether the copy of Lindows hasn't been compromised - ie a hacked/bugged version put out to create havoc. I've heard of this happening before to an open source site (use them myself, but check the MD-5 or other form of security to validate the files!!!). | |
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Techie2000
In Vertigo
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join:2001-12-05
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| Re: fake said by en102  :
Good try, but...
They may have issues trying to distribute it this way, unless there is some form of security to test wether the copy of Lindows hasn't been compromised - ie a hacked/bugged version put out to create havoc. I've heard of this happening before to an open source site (use them myself, but check the MD-5 or other form of security to validate the files!!!).
Bit Torrent does hash files to make sure they are legit and not broken in download, and if it doesn't hash correctly the bad segment is redownloaded.
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ghostpainter
I Write for the Apocalypse
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join:2002-05-25
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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| Re: fake said by nixen :
said by ghostpainter :
said by Mike :
Fake linux, fake windows, fake bittorrent?
Fake or Flake, RIAA will never allow it to happen...RIAA wants the p2p world to disappear. Does anyone really think that RIAA would allow any form of legal OS that has any sort of music on it (IE wave, midi, streaming) to get by them without paying any sort of tribute (tax) to them....Me thinks not, and Linux is in there line of fire anyway for past infringements upon there perceived kingdom...
Err... Yeah. Methinks its time you stopped sucking on the Paranoid Pipe.
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You don't live in Calif. do you...We've got this weird  appeals court out here widely known as the most liberal court in the country...RIAA has over 1200 lawsuits piling up in this court against software developers, p2p programs, the people that use them and every IP provider around...Paraniod, Nope, I just pay attention to what's happening in the world, maybe too much...But I prefer to be ahead of the game than behind the eight ball like so many people.... | |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA
| Its not fake. You can download it but there is only one little problem .
When you burn and install the ISO image!
Lindows installs. But on restarting after installation it overwrites the MBR !!!
I thought that my download was buggy. So I downloaded again from their ftp server. Same problem! However the Lindows live CD works fine. Its just a demo that boots from the CD. Lindows sent me an email telling me that my hardware is incompatible. Hmmm I run Mandrake 9.1 on it and its fine.. So I tried another PC... and guess what.. Their image is bad !!! Hopefully they will replace it soon. | |
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Stewy85
Premium
join:2003-01-16
Sharon, WI
clubs: | Imho Lindows is stupid. Why pay for Linux? | |
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KyleC
Nikon Guy
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join:2001-12-13
Dallas, TX
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| Re: Imho said by Stewy85 :
Lindows is stupid. Why pay for Linux?
cause my grandma can use lindows, she cant use red hat. | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | I've used Lindows, it's a good first step. And while I don't think it's a "great" Linux distro, it's a good first step, especially for those COMPLETELY unfamiliar with Linux. You will never just see one day everyone moving to Linux. It's evolution. | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
1 edit | Great idea, really It's a great idea, all around. I mean it's not like other Linux distros haven't done this, Mandrake and Red Hat have been available on BitTorrent for a while now. And Valve, after seeing its Steam P2P system fail miserably, went the quick and dirty route: they hired Bram Cohen, BitTorrent's creator. While BT has many illegal uses, it's good to see legitimate uses for P2P as well. The problem, of course, is greedy companies like Comcast who are fighting their customers' wish to run servers like BitTorrent. | |
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P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
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join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
clubs: | Re: Great idea, really blizzard games is trying this on WOW distibution of movie files and beta....not working that great..but working..
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Rhobite
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Cambridge, MA
clubs: | Re: Great idea, really Yeah I heard about that. I don't see why these gaming companies are trying to reinvent the wheel.. BitTorrent is open source for a reason.
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uteck
@wideopenwest.com
| Get the facts right Lindows does not have it's own office suite, it is just OpenOffice with the icons and name changed.
It is a nice idea,but the overall cost is too much. But, then most users need lots of hand holding so I guess it is worth it.
If people are dumb enough to buy it, imagine what the support calls are like.:o
I doubt that many people will use the new system unless installing and using are fairly brain-dead. | |
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steelgaze
Premium
join:2002-02-01
San Francisco, CA
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| Good try.. Good try.. but lets look at it this way
Option one:
Pay 25 USD for a torrent-like link to download Lindows
Option two:
Do a bit of searching, and get a free link to download Lindows. (And I'll mention, doing some illegalness here heh)
Lets see what people will choose.. | |
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
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join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH
| Re: Good try.. Option two:
Do a bit of searching, and get a free link to download Lindows. (And I'll mention, doing some illegalness here heh) There's two problems with that. 1) Only the technically inept would ever use a product like this, thus would have a difficult time finding the software on the internet. 2) The product is essentially useless for them unless they subscribe to the service. I played around with it a year or so ago, and unless you subscribe to their service, you have only basic functionality. Once you sign up, you get to download all sorts of goodies to make it a productive environment. So, they will end up with no choice but to pay anyway.
I recall a while back, Walmart was selling PCs with Lindows already preinstalled. Although everyone is giving it a bad rap, it's still a good way to wean inexperienced PC users away from Microsoft. | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Good try.. WTH is lindows?? | |
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
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join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH | Re: Good try.. WTH is lindows?? It's basically Linux, with a Windows-like feel to it. It's really easy for inexperienced users to adapt to it. | |
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not2cr8iv
join:2000-08-20
Potomac, MD
| said by vangoatee :
2) The product is essentially useless for them unless they subscribe to the service. I played around with it a year or so ago, and unless you subscribe to their service, you have only basic functionality.
Do you really have to use their Click-N-Run service. Are there ways around that for the semi-computer savvy (like me)? I downloaded a legit free copy of Lindows. I like its speed (vs other Linux distros I tried) and ease of use, but I hate the idea of having to pay for otherwise free Linux software. | |
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uteck
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| Re: Good try.. It is Debian based, so you can use apt-get to install software. I don't know if thay have any repostories in /etc/apt/sources.list, but adding them is easy.
Here are some files you might need, the all go into /etc/apt/ | |
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not2cr8iv
join:2000-08-20
Potomac, MD | Re: Good try.. Thanks! I'll give those a try. | |
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@aol.com
| Heres a tip: Never touch any OS with "indows" in its name.
Sinmply put they are charging you for mandrake which you can get for free off »www.mandrakesoft.com/ as for the BT version again they are taking someone elses code and making a profit off of it. | |
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sNaKeYeZ
NES Geek
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join:2002-07-11
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clubs: | Re: Good try.. I can't seem to find a free version of Mandrake on the posted website ( »www.mandrakesoft.com ) anywhere.
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Bender2000
Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
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join:2002-05-06
Roxboro, QC
clubs: | Lindows is for lame I wouldn't purchase this even if it were in a store. It's supposed to be linux with a windows flavour. Linux is supposed to be FREE. This lame cross between linux and windows is as good as dead. Microsoft will crush it in court anyways. | |
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join:2004-02-29
Germany
| Re: Lindows is for lame Well if you are paying for linux you are just paying those guys who ware putting the Dist. up (e.g SuSe, Red Hat etc.) same thing with Lindows. And if you don´t have a clue what Linux feels like or acts like its maybe a good start trying ... and 25 bucks isn´t that much compared to a WIN XP.
Just wanted to say you are not paying for the System it self you are paying for the guys that did the work for you getting all the stuff together. | |
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
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join:2001-01-16
Albany, NY
| linux is not supposed to be free! Who ever said linux was supposed to be free, is ignorant of what linux is. Linux is free, always been and will be, you can find it on kernel.org . Linux is only the kernel of an operating system. Yes most distros out there have a free version or are completely free. The bulk of software in different distribution is free as well. I used debian for years and will never look at another os for my desktop, (OSX on the powerbook). $25 is nothing compared to what everyone else charges. Lindows may not be the best linux distribution out there, but they are trying to do something and for many people it is as close to a linux based os as they can do with out diving into technical nightmare. It takes a lot of management, programming and effort to push out a decent distro that is somewhat original, and if you don't want to pay for it then dont. I'll give $10-$15 to a GPL comany because i know how hard it is to develop something even half as complex as a linux distro. You want a "free" linux , then go download the kernel and compile everything from scratch, or take the gentoo or debian route. But companies like RedHat, Mandrake, Lindows, SuSe and many otheres, worked their asses off for nearly nothing to get linux to install painlessly and to be able to be done by a common user. Lindows is not for me and I woulnd recomend it , but dont bash the company for trying to do something. According to the GPL, you can charge someone $1M for linux if someone is willing to pay it. I agree that all distros should have a free-version, because the code is GPLed, but how are they to make a profit. There is a lot of work that goes into making a distro and donations )which is basically what the 25 buks is, since i doubt they turn much of a profit) is not bad, and certanly does not break the bank. You dont even have to use their service and use apt. But their service offers to install configure and make a lot of great service run smoothly and the same across all sort of hardware.
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| Re: linux is not supposed to be free! GNU General Public License
Linux is written and distributed under the GNU General Public License which means that its source code is freely-distributed and available to the general public.»www.linux.org/info/gnu.html | |
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join:2001-06-05
Utica, NY
| Re: linux is not supposed to be free! said by BIGMIKE :
GNU General Public License
Linux is written and distributed under the GNU General Public License which means that its source code is freely-distributed and available to the general public.»www.linux.org/info/gnu.html
emphasis mine
the GPL only covers the source code and it's availability. It does not mean that linux has to be "free." Anyone can package up a distribution and charge for it, under the conditions of the GPL as long as they pass along the source code.
Let's not get crazy here. Nothing in the GPL stops me from making a snazzy distribution of linux in any of it's forms and charging $5 for it, or $500. What you're paying for when you buy a distribution is the work put into the fancy installers, binaries, generating the packages, dependencies, CD's boxes, manuals, or in the case of a download, the bandwidth required etc. That's real work and when done by a company that's looking to make a profit, a value that can and should be paid for.
I do use debian as it's entirely free. Would I *buy* debian if it were commercially available, yes. It's worth it. It may be behind the power curve with the kernel and some of the packages, but it's stable. That's worth something to me.
The source code is always available for any distribution completely free, but bear in mind this does not cover distribution media.
clipping a section of the GPL out of context does nobody a service, but only clouds the issue.
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If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
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reub2000
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
1 edit | They didn't start it! Mandrake was distributing Mandrake 9.2(.1) to it's club members via bittorrent before this. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| speed When i buy a digital download i expect to get it in a decent amount of time. bit torrent is a real lousy way to go cheap. 8 to 20k/s is not good for a sizable download(look at the filesharing forum, almost every bt thread is about why bt is so slow.
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join:2003-10-19
Portland, OR
| Re: speed said by dvd536 :
When i buy a digital download i expect to get it in a decent amount of time. bit torrent is a real lousy way to go cheap. 8 to 20k/s is not good for a sizable download(look at the filesharing forum, almost every bt thread is about why bt is so slow.
forward your ports 
i get about ~300+ k/sec while doing about 20 or so up...really "slow", eh ? | |
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join:2002-02-15
Montreal, QC | Re: speed "Your download speed is proportional to your upload"
I also got 120-300kb from peers, peoples, stop being selfish and up!  | |
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@193.130.x.x
| Better Speed Options I downloaded Lindows Live in an evening using mIRC 6.12.
Found the link i needed on »www.packetnews.com
This is a much faster way of downloading than BT and usually available sooner. Would i pay $25? Probably if i thought it was a viable alternative to MS. I will give it a try and then make up my mind for myself. Probably half those that are rubbishing it have not even tried it. All software should be tried out before purchase to see if it lives up to expectations. I'm sure apache started off with these problems but now they have 68% market share. Give others a chance!!! | |
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