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The Coming Spyware Storm
Polticos wake-up, take sides
(old news - 07:23PM Tuesday Mar 30 2004)
tags: privacy · Politics · spyware
Most individuals complain about spyware without doing anything about it. Not so for Eric Howes, a graduate student at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and a frequent visitor to our Security forum. Via his website, Howes has waged a war on spyware in all its various incarnations for quite some time, educating users about their on-line security. His latest effort is attempting to get the FTC to fully understand spyware in the hopes they can better leash the increasingly irritating problem; despite claims from the industry that the spyware threat is being overblown by an "anti-advertising industry".

As we discussed in a recent interview with the Center for Democracy and Technology, before legislation can be drafted to stop spyware, the term "spyware" itself needs to be properly defined. To that end the FTC has begun looking at the matter more seriously, and has been receiving public comment via their website. Though discussion of spyware has been raging around the internet for years, it is only now truly catching the eye of politicians as consumers become more aware of the garbage filling their PC's (and subsequently more vocal).

Obviously Howes isn't alone in his quest to be heard. PCPitstop, a website recently sued for libel for identifying Clarion corporation's Gator software as spyware, have filed their own comments (see pdf). PCPitstop's numbers reveal the enormity of the problem and the primary argument: consumers aren't being clearly asked permission to have software installed on their PC's. A survey found some 34,672 PC's running the Gator application, with 75% of those users unaware the application even existed.

Getting users explicit consent is the primary goal of SPYBLOCK (Software Principles Yielding Better Levels of Consumer Knowledge), a bill working its way through Congress that would require all software installations to require an "OK" confirmation. Companies like Yahoo, Microsoft, CNET, Amazon, and AOL have been very busy lobbying Washington; worried that new laws, particularly if they're overly broad, could impact many of their business relationships.

Those companies were delivered a serious wake-up call last week in Utah, after the state decided to make all spyware illegal. Utah lawmakers made no such distinction between spyware, malware, or any other application designed to force-feed consumers advertisements or track their browsing habits.

This distinction is the loophole many companies like Clarion are trying to squeeze their way through in order to avoid being held accountable for sleazy business tactics in the coming political firestorm. As Howes recently noted in our forums, C2 Media - like Clarion Corp., is trying to argue they are purveyors of "adware", not "spyware". C2 Media is responsible for Lop.com (see spywareinfo), and have become one of the more hated industry names on the internet.

C2 Media's comments (pdf) to the FTC are downright conspiratorial in nature:

"Much of the "evil" things heard about "adware" are over-exaggerations packaged by the "anti-advertising industry" as a "fear sale" pressure tactic," the company argues. "This approach is consistent with the interests of an "anti-adware" company in fostering fear and discontent on the part of the general public regarding advertising software. The more the public fears, the more the "anti-advertising industry" profits."

Profits made off of the most effective (and totally free) spyware removal tools: Spybot Search and Destroy and Adaware? Profits made by Eric Howes? C2 Media argues that they and companies like them "should not be penalized for creating innovative new technologies that allow advertisers the opportunity to more easily reach targeted consumers."

Irritated by comments from C2 Media, Howes has issued his own comments (pdf) to the FTC, all of which are available via his latest post to our security forum. "I sincerely hope that the FTC would see through such bluster and excuse-making and find a way to offer citizens and consumers the protection they need," Howes concludes.

On April 19, 2004, from 8:30 a.m. until 5:30 p.m, the FTC will host a public workshop, entitled "Monitoring Software on Your PC: Spyware, Adware, and Other Software." Those concerned about spyware should either attend, or be sure to file comments while they still can. Complaining will not be enough where industry lobbyists are concerned.

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dadkins
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Hercules, CA
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The Coming Spyware Superstorm?

WTF do they mean coming? Where have they been? If I were to disable all my anti-everything software, I wouldn't be able to surf.

If they mean more is coming... uh, DUH!

Guess it's time to "turn up" a couple of programs.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: The Coming Spyware Superstorm?

Coming political superstorm.

Reading is good for you.

dadkins
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Re: The Coming Spyware Superstorm?

""Much of the "evil" things heard about "adware" are over-exaggerations packaged by the "anti-advertising industry" as a "fear sale" pressure tactic," the company argues. "This approach is consistent with the interests of an "anti-adware" company in fostering fear and discontent on the part of the general public regarding advertising software. The more the public fears, the more the "anti-advertising industry" profits."

Profits made off of the most effective (and totally free) spyware removal tools: Spybot Search and Destroy and Adaware? Profits made by Eric Howes? C2 Media argues that they and companies like them "should not be penalized for creating innovative new technologies that allow advertisers the opportunity to more easily reach targeted consumers."


Profits? From FREE software?

EDIT: Never mind, sarcasm not recognized.

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: The Coming Spyware Superstorm?

I do believe that is what some people call "sarcasm".

Varangian

join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL

the intruders, the unwelcome advertisers, are attemtping to cause resentment toward out anti spyware protectors by insinuating they're making profits.
What I hear is them whining that THEY aren't furnished your personal information FREE OF CHARGE to sell to every scoundrel around the world.
dave
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let's put the anti-adware guys out of business :-)

said by industry flack:
"Much of the "evil" things heard about "adware" are over-exaggerations packaged by the "anti-advertising industry" as a "fear sale" pressure tactic," the company argues. "This approach is consistent with the interests of an "anti-adware" company in fostering fear and discontent on the part of the general public regarding advertising software. The more the public fears, the more the "anti-advertising industry" profits."
This man has it in his power to put all anti-adware guys out of business.

All he has to do is to STOP FLOODING THE NETWORK WITH CRAP, and then no-one will need to buy anti-adware applications.

Easy, no?

Karl Bode
News Guy
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Re: let's put the anti-adware guys out of business :-)

I think he needs to put down the quotation marks and step away from the absinthe, personally.

Marilla
I Am My Own Arbiter
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join:2002-12-06
Belpre, OH

Re: let's put the anti-adware guys out of business

lol!!

Exactly what I was thinking!!
Chachie0

join:2004-03-31
Canada

Re: let's put the anti-adware guys out of business

I work at an internet Helpdesk and I can't help looking up the domains of the spyware companies that leave cookies that the user as administrator cannot remove. I see at least 5 to 6 a day of pc's that must have over 300 bugs on their machine.

Companies are from everywhere from Russia, Canada to California. Is there somewhere I can post the known companies??... some have the most obvious names.

DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA

Definately need to define SPYWARE

Everyone definately needs to stop by the FTC web site and explain to the FTC what "spyware" means...

Please, FTC, why do you feel we need to EXPLAIN the term "spyware" to you? How hard it it to understand? The very requirement to provide INPUT demonstrates a prejudice...

Here's your definition:

"ANY DAMN THING DESIGNED TO COLLECT ANY DAMN INFORMATION ABOUT MY ACTIVITY ON ANY PORTION OF THE INTERNET AND REPORT IT TO ANYONE WITHOUT MY PRIOR APPROVAL IS SPYWARE"... just how freakin' hard is it anyway.

Do ensure you make it that plain for them...
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Re: Definately need to define SPYWARE

In response to 'DeltaFox'

Your Spyware Definition was so perfect that I sent it in an email to the FTC comments website. I did NOT use your name or anything to identify you. I just thought your Definition was so good that it should have gone on the record. I truly hope you are not upset.
SoCal99

join:2004-01-22

Bravo

Until I loaded Spybot, Spyware Blaster and Ad-aware on all four of our home computers, the internet was really unusable. After surfing the internet for 5 minutes, there would be (no kidding) a hundred plus I.E. windows opened with ads, and Zone Alarm couldn't keep up with all the requests for a internet connection from the spyware programs. I know that we may be the exception as our daughter downloads every free thing under the sun

Great new is now all that is a thing of the past. I was so impressed with all 3 programs that I made donations to all of them and wrote a thank you email to each one.

When I load these programs on other peoples computers they can not believe all the crap that they had NO IDEA was on on Their computer!!

I wrote my thoughts to the FCC and I hope that others do to so that spyware and adware can be a thing of the past, or at least an opt "IN" product only!!!

DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA

Re: Definately need to define SPYWARE

No offense tendered. The FED has my number. They've had it for a long time.

Rejected One
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Spyware storm has been here

spyware,malware, etc... is keeping people they want to sell there wares to from being able to even use the internet. i have at least 10 calls a day with someone who has windows 98 running and they cant get to the internet because these programs pop-up 50 ads at a time and blow sys resources down the drain, then eventually corrupting ie. a wake up call is well over due. this kind of evasive programs that they claim are not harmful to pc try telling that to consumers who can longer surf because their programs are written so badly that it handicaps the user. i understand trying to make a buck but write software that's
1. easy to remove.
2. opt out feature that works
3. code that is compatible with older sys

crippling your potential client makes no sense to me.. hopefully the ftc will help put a stop to this and/or more states join utah and ban spyware,malware etc... make these people accountable for the problems they cause when the adware is too much for a system to handle and a customer has to spend $90 bucks and up to have their comp repaired witch means wiping the hd and reinstalling os, at least around here since no comp shop here will clean spyware because they cant guarantee it.

just my 2 cents
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dbamber

join:2003-02-07
Payson, AZ

spyware, adware, malware, ect.

After having my ISP home page hijacked recently by Blazefind I spent $80.00 plus tax trying to get rid of this crap. When the stuff failed I tryed Spybot for $39.00 it too failed. Then it was time for Ad-aware. After paying the huge sum of nothing for the download it finally cleared out my problem. After having gone through all of this, and seeing how my daughters Apple laptop wasn't suffering through all of this gave me pause to think. Irregardless, I have told a few people about Ad-aware and after they downloaded it they were amazed as to what is showing up on their PC's when surfing! These spyware companies are ruining the internet for a lot of people, and helping sales of some ineffectual programs designed to solve their problems. Myself, I am posting this on my new Mac and chuckling over the messages showing up on my E-mail for new anti-virus warnings.

catseyenu
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Fix East

Spyware Is The New Frontier of Trojan Writers

It's fairly well known that many of the haaks now plaguing us (CWS and LOP to name two) are written by the same people putting out Trojans.
That in itself puts a bull's-eye on their forehead for me.
It's a shame that wasn't conveyed.
kaila

join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs:

Hats off to you Eric

As a very casual Security forum visitor, I had no idea of your efforts. Thank you and best of luck.

BTW - I hope you have educated some about the enormous contributions the University of Illinois has given to the online world.

Vvian Kalyss

join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
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Warning: rant

"...anti adware industry"

WTF? 'Anti-spyware' companies didn't just spring up overnight (unlike those sleazy spyware ones on the other side of the chasm) -- they came about as a response by the large number of irate users who were increasingly angry over having surreptitious installs of software creep into their systems as well as destablizing them.

If those *@&!^#%$ sons of unidentified fathers had adhered to ethical business practises that other companies managed to (and there are plenty of 'net-based businesses that don't resort to such crude marketing measures), there wouldn't BE this kind of backlash against them.

And now they're complaining? Give me a *@&!^#%$ break. The average Joe might come to accept the current state of affairs, but we don't! If they think we're gonna just sit around and let them take over and break this medium, they've got another thing coming.

Spyware belongs right up there with spam and malware as the main problems we have with the system today. If they think of themselves as the 'adware industry' then what's wrong with going the honest route? Doing everything above board? WAKE UP FOLKS, THE DAYS OF ENRON AND WORLDCOM STYLE OF DOING BUSINESS ARE OVER.

If they ain't happy with this they can go suck a *@&!^#%$ and watch people tear their companies' rep apart like we did with Gator ('Clarion', haw!).

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rchandra
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curiously ironic

Anyone else find it funny and ironic that a company that according to most users is trying to break down your security and defenses calls itself one of the most common security level designations in the computer world, "C2"?
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Cheetah9

join:2001-01-07
Bethel Park, PA

Spyware is no different than........

.......any other Virus, Trojan, or Worm.

Nuff said!

richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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Minas Tirith

My definitions

Spyware
ANYTHING that transmits information about you, your computer/network or provides access to it without your permission. ANYBODY!! And when I say anybody I mean anybody. This includes the high & mighty law enforcement groups that say such things are necessary to protect us from 'terrorists'.
ADWARE
Any advertising that comes to you without your permission, unless you have purchased a manufacturers product [and only that manufacturer, not one of his companies subdivisions] withing the last, oh lets make it 30 days.
OR
If when buying something [and this would probably be with online purchases] you sign/agree to receive advertising.
Then if you get it & don't want it, it's your fault for saying 'yes' to receiving. There should be an 'opt-out' routine that really works [I have 'opted out' and the next day my SPAM is twice as much].

Those are my definitions.

Comments, anyone?

Vvian Kalyss

join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
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Looking sharp

Spiffy.

Although, I'd highlight "without my permission". And no, burying it in a clause on page 18 of a 200 page EULA printed in point 2 font doesn't cut it. "Permission" must be asked for on it's own page / popup, and express what it wants EXPLICITLY.

Otherwise, your definition sounds good to me.

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Vvian Kalyss

Varangian

join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL

It should be crystal clear

It should be crytal clear to everyone that we the consumers do not want - and will not tolerate - software loyal to and under command of outsiders.
This is like a Fuller Brush man leaving a troll in your home that phones home and tells Fuller your brushing habits while it consumes your resources and ties up the bathroom every morning.

Varangian

join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL

heree's a Draconian solution

Perhaps we need to devise a setup that completely reimages any hard drive in contact with the internet AFTER EVERY SESSION.
Unwelcome advertisers could never crack that.

atuarre
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Kazaa -B- Gone

As long as they get rid of Kazaa, I will be very happy. That program does all kinds of horrible things to a users PC, and everytime you turn it on, it installs something new, by itself, with no interaction from the user, what-so-ever. You would swear the computer was developing its own sense of awareness.

Sharman Networks is one company that needs to be shut down for all the mishap and mess they have put on peoples machines.
jgurrola

join:2002-09-09
Victorville, CA

FTC

I have an idea. We all know how pop ups annoy us all and prevent us from being 100% productive in our lives. I say we all pick a day and we call the FTC. Just call them all day, over and over. Lets see how much work they get done when they are interrupted by constant calls. That way they can relate our calls to pop-ups.
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