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join:2003-04-03
Campbell, CA | Price cuts are good... Price cuts are good for all... good for the industry, good for the consumers. Give me more! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: Price cuts are good... Agreed! | |
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cmcgilton
join:2001-03-14
Stow, OH | Very Happy Camper! I just migrated from RoadRunner to SBC and instead of paying $45 a month now it's under $26! (after 2 month credit to bill and shipping and tax on modem supplied by SBC). Very Cool! | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs: | Re: Brooklyn? Yeah... I wish they would take over Verizon and be proactive in Verizon's area. I am sick and tired of Verizon dragging their feet. | |
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join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | Re: Brooklyn? If you think Verizon is dragging their feet, just look at BellSouth. Instead of a price cut to its basic ADSL service they chose a price increase!
Their motto, "phuck y'all!" | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
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And by the way... I have heard a rumor that Bellsouth is increasing speeds to 3Mbps in the VERY NEAR future. | |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | One qustion. I currently get 1.2Mbps on earthlink dsl capped at 1.5Mbps. If I got this 1.5Mbps-3Mbps, would I just get 1.2Mbps, or something higher? | |
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lxAstrosxl
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Carol Stream, IL
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| Re: One qustion. said by reub2000  :
I currently get 1.2Mbps on earthlink dsl capped at 1.5Mbps. If I got this 1.5Mbps-3Mbps, would I just get 1.2Mbps, or something higher?
you would prolly get higher....its the overhead thats keeping u at 1.2 since ur cap is 1.5.. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by reub2000 :
I currently get 1.2Mbps on earthlink dsl capped at 1.5Mbps. If I got this 1.5Mbps-3Mbps, would I just get 1.2Mbps, or something higher?
Depends on the conditions of your line, your distance etc...
Just because its offered doesnt mean you can get it. do you know how far you are away from your CO?
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | Re: One qustion. Acording to the CO from covad, I'm 10619 feet from the CO. I have no idea if they are correct or not. | |
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join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
| Re: One qustion. You are not 10,000+ feet and getting 1.2 Mbps on
a 1.5 Mbps cap class. That tells me that Covad
only has the basic CO information and not the
distance to the RT you are on.
In example, I've got a client who shows up over
34,000+ feet on all the distance readings but
that is actually to the CO. They are actually
running off of an RT about 1,500 feet away and
get full maximum data rates.
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| Re: One qustion. I'm _not_ on an RT and I'm 11900 feet from the CO, getting 1.5mbit down and 384kbit up (via Covad). My distance shows up as 10500 feet on an MLT test, and a little bit more on a pre-qual. And yes, when I say 1.5mbit down, I do mean pulling approximately 130KB/sec.
I can't seem to get Covad to get SBC to switch me to an RT that's 2000 feet away. The few SBC people I've talked to say either the RT isn't open/available for use, or it's full (weird that they don't know which...)
Anyways, just letting you know that his distance should "probably" (again, no idea about line quality) handle 1.5mbit without any trouble.
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reub2000
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | Re: One qustion. Whoa! What's an RT? MLT? | |
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copperdoctor
Premium
join:2003-12-08
Palatine, IL
| Re: One qustion. RT= a remote terminal, kind of like a mini central office at the end of a fiber unbilical cord flug out to the farther ends of the subdivisions, etc.
MLT = an electronic test that gives the basic facts about the line quality,etc. Distance ballpark figures is one. | |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
1 edit | Re: One qustion. said by copperdoctor :
RT= a remote terminal, kind of like a mini central office at the end of a fiber unbilical cord flug out to the farther ends of the subdivisions, etc.
MLT = an electronic test that gives the basic facts about the line quality,etc. Distance ballpark figures is one.
Thanks
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And yes, when I say 1.5mbit down, I do mean pulling approximately 130KB/sec.
130*8=1040K
1040/1024=1.015625Mbps
1.0156225 != 1.5Mbps
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lxAstrosxl
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Carol Stream, IL
clubs: | Re: One qustion. 1.5mbps = 187.5k/sec | |
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA | Same difference. When you take into mind TCP, IP, and ATM overhead, you'll pull a flat 1.5mbit if your sync rate is higher. Me personally, I don't like rate-adaptive ADSL, so...
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join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
| said by koitsu :
I'm _not_ on an RT and I'm 11900 feet from the CO, getting 1.5mbit down and 384kbit up (via Covad). My distance shows up as 10500 feet on an MLT test, and a little bit more on a pre-qual. And yes, when I say 1.5mbit down, I do mean pulling approximately 130KB/sec.
That kind of distance from a CO would be extremely
rare to push that kind of data rates. An RT at that
distance possibly but not likely from a CO.
If you are actually on a CO and your wire distance is
actually that far than you are doing very good. You
either have a very clean line or at least part of your
wire distance is actually fiber which doesn't count.
Given those numbers though, I'm more inclined to
believe that you are actually already on that
nearby RT you are trying to get switched to.
Don't count on pre-qual tests or even SBC to have
accurate information. They setup new RTs all the
time and most of the time, they don't bother to
update their network maps. Most of their distance
maps are still based upon the old "Project Pronto"
deployment locations that aren't being setup anymore.
This is a bit ironic since SBC is now the one doing
the RT deployment directly since the project is
no more.
In example, SBC lists my own connection officially
as somewhere close to 11,000 feet on their network
maps and pre-qual tests yet the RT I'm running off of
is physically only about 400 feet behind my house
and is so new that SBC isn't even aware it's there
officially. SBC thinks I'm running off of
another RT (an old pronto RT) that is roughly
about 2 miles away.
I get over maximum data rates at 6.1 Mbps and that
is even after any packet overhead. I also have
better test equipment than SBC and my equipment
also confirms that I'm indeed running off of the
RT by my house. SBC's network records are verifiable
a little bit out of date.
Point in fact, I wouldn't put too much faith in
the pre-qual and distance numbers that SBC gives you.
The good news is that if you are running at maximum
on your current 1.5 Mbps account at your current provider
taking into account overhead, I can just about guarantee
that you will do just as well with any account class at SBC.
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join:2002-04-30
Oklahoma City, OK | Re: One qustion. It might be possible. I know that I am approx. 10,500ft and I am at 1.5. Of course the extra 1400ft could make a difference.
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| I'm 100% positive I'm NOT on the RT. My SNRs are absolutely horrible for 1.5/384 (something like 15dB / 9dB), which explains why I occasionally see some dropped packets to my uplink gateway. If I was on the RT, I'd have SNRs that would support 1.5/768, which is what I'd *REALLY* love to have.
I originally was sold 1.5/768, but the SNRs were so bad that I'd lose sync pretty often. I went through hell getting SE/Covad to drop me to 1.5/384, which they did and the line stablised.
In addition, after Covad did their MLT test, it was confirmed with SBC that there's a bridge tap on the copper between here and the CO somewhere. So, as far as "my line being excellent quality", I'm not so sure  .
You can see an actual electrical run (this is what the MLT test also showed) of what goes where here. SBC should honestly be shot for this kind-of topology, especially since my side of the town is where all of the large companies are (Verisign, Veritas, Netscape/AOL, Microsoft, Pinnacle, etc.).
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@swbell.ne | I work on DSL lines everyday and I would have to say that if you are under 12kft and you are NOT getting 1.2Megs then you have a line problem of some sort. | |
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Sr Tech
Premium
join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT | Telco trailblazes in price-war Lets face it when cell phones first came out you paid through the nose. And I think that goes for just about every bit of technology out there. Most companies these days do not want churn, Churn makes a company look bad to its investors. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Telco trailblazes in price-war said by Sr Tech :
Lets face it when cell phones first came out you paid through the nose. And I think that goes for just about every bit of technology out there. Most companies these days do not want churn, Churn makes a company look bad to its investors.
If you look at cellular service today there STILL isnt any real deals out there. And if you offered a decent service you wouldn't have to charge a $250 early termination fee or lock your customers into multi-year contracts because your customers wouldnt want to leave. POTS doesnt do this to its subs
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ThirdShifter
Premium
join:2002-03-16
Vernon Rockville, CT | What about Connecticut ! all SBC except Connecticut. I think SBC conecticut needs to wak up as well. | |
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join:2002-10-19
Saint Charles, MO | Re: What about Connecticut ! New Speed Tiers for SNET will be coming; maybe by the end of summer!!! | |
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ThirdShifter
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join:2002-03-16
Vernon Rockville, CT
| Re: What about Connecticut ! said by mrljcsi :
New Speed Tiers for SNET will be coming; maybe by the end of summer!!!
what year?
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billh491
join:2001-08-09
Pomfret Center, CT | Re: What about Connecticut ! Just my luck I live in CT where the DSL provider will not up the speed and I am on Eastern CT Cable and they are one of the only cable providers that will not up the speed. I guess I am double screwed. | |
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mayhemstudio
The Pump Is Like Cumming
join:2001-03-19
Los Angeles, CA | yeah yeah This is good.
Hopefully, the Cable Companies will get the message and start giving us better prices and faster speeds to keep up. | |
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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| Re: yeah yeah Mayhemstudios posted
"Hopefully, the Cable Companies will get the message and start giving us better prices and faster speeds to keep up."
Strange because you wrote here..
»Review of Adelphia HSI by mayhemstudio
"I am really liking Adelphia Powerlink. It is a million times faster then DSL.
I didn't really know to much about Cable internet, if I knew if was this fast and affordable, I would have gotten it sooner.
I ordered the 3000/256 for $26.95 for the first 12 months and $44.95 after the 12 months, no contracts. Still cheaper then my Earthlink DSL which was $50 and I could only get 330/322. I am extremely happy with the speeds, I am getting 2800/245."
a million times faster and still cheaper!
either I am confused or you are.
Hob
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mayhemstudio
The Pump Is Like Cumming
join:2001-03-19
Los Angeles, CA
1 edit | Re: yeah yeah You stalking me now? ;)
Nevermind | |
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Jws21
join:2003-05-19
Erie, PA | I wish I wish I had SBC instead of verizon , maybe I could actually get DSL | |
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batmanst
join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA | need more uploads! why only 384k?! why not 512k??? cheap as usual, still sucks. +128k upload increase, big deal! | |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | Re: need more uploads! I'm waiting for the 6M/604K package that's being offered for $44.95/mo in 12 other SBC states, then I too will switch. | |
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join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
| said by batmanst :
why only 384k?! why not 512k??? cheap as usual, still sucks. +128k upload increase, big deal!
Actually SBC's speeds are dropping with the prices ...
not increasing. For the past two years, SBC has been
substantially faster than Roadrunner with DSL data rates
on the SBC Expert Plus account at 6 MB / 608K.
A couple of days ago, they changed that to 3 Mbps / 384 K
to go along with the new lower prices. Looks like they
are doing away with the 6 Mbps speed.
Those who ordered their Expert Plus DSL prior to March 25th
have 6 Mbps download and 608K upload speed. Those who
ordered after March 25th are getting 3 Mbps and 384K.
Those who moved fast to get the $44.95 price tag the past
couple of months all got the 6 Mbps. Those now getting
the $36 to $39 price tag are only getting 3 Mbps.
While a lot of people are only upgrading now due to the
recent price drop, I myself have been enjoying a full
6 Mbps on SBC for over a year now. I just wish they
wouldn't do away with that speed. It basically means
that if I ever move to another house, I'm screwed! | |
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join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
| Re: need more uploads! said by David :
They are not doing away with the 6Mbps pkg we are just splitting it up now..
instead of 1536-6016/384-608 (broad sync range with limited DSLAM options) We split it to two newer pkgs
1536-3000/384-416 and 4000-6000/416-608 are the new speeds I believe.
Well that's good news if they are planning on bringing
6 Mbps back again. Right now, both Expert Plus packages
are 3 Mbps / 384 K unless you ordered before the last
week of March. | |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | As soon as SBC getting in my area Yep, as soon as SBC offering DSL in my area, I'll dump this expensive Comcast cable. | |
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join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: As soon as SBC getting in my area said by jdir :
Yep, as soon as SBC offering DSL in my area, I'll dump this expensive Comcast cable.
expensive?! SBC will lock you in a contract for a year and if you move for whatever reason, you're screwed. | |
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lswinney
join:2002-09-02
Pasadena, TX
| Contract It takes a one year contract to get the 26 dollar per month connection. That's good for new customers but I've had SBC DSL four years, so I'm not eligible. After one year, the price goes up to normal pricing which is what I'm paying... 39.99 a month. Even at my price, I'm not complaining.
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join:2004-01-25
| Re: Contract said by lswinney :
It takes a one year contract to get the 26 dollar per month connection. That's good for new customers but I've had SBC DSL four years, so I'm not eligible. After one year, the price goes up to normal pricing which is what I'm paying... 39.99 a month. Even at my price, I'm not complaining.
You know you can always renew your contract, you dont have to be a new customer to get lower prices. | |
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| Re: Contract > You know you can always renew your contract, you dont have to be a new customer to get lower prices.
How exactly do you go about renewing your contract? My 1st-year SBC DSL is about to expire (June), and my monthly bill will go from $29.99/mo to $39.99/mo (regular pricing.) | |
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ninjaturtle1
join:2003-10-21
Fremont, CA
| Re: Contract said by Stupidity:
> You know you can always renew your contract, you dont have to be a new customer to get lower prices.
How exactly do you go about renewing your contract? My 1st-year SBC DSL is about to expire (June), and my monthly bill will go from $29.99/mo to $39.99/mo (regular pricing.)
Just call and tell them you want to re-rate your current service to the new rates. Don't have to wait for your contract to end. I did 5 times since I had dsl broadband, 2 1/2 years. I had the basic package first $35, then deluxe came out and got that $45, then expert+ @ $99/month came out and I got that and now I have expert+ @ $44.99 grand fathered. I like high speeds  SBC is not Comcrust. They care about their customers. All of the pricing above are the old prices I've gone through. Not current. | |
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asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
| ??? I was impressed when sbc dropped prices last year. I'm not as impressed with this.
The high tier month to month prices have come down, but aren't the 1st year incentive prices going up? These were the actual prices that many were paying, given that present customers could, in many instances, get the introductory price if they called in for the new contract.Reading the forum here I get the impression they are clamping down on this.
Certainly the low tier used to be 26.95 for the first year. Then it crept back up to 29.95. It is still 29.95 but the fusf fee is taken out of the price and becomes a separate additional charge for ALL the packages now, so the actual price is more like $32-33. These aren't bad prices, relative to others, but I'm not sure that it classifies as progress.
It appears as if they are satisfied with the growth rate of new broadband converts but are less than satisfied with the effect of their attempts to respond to cable speed increases and churn. Perhaps it is my imagination but they seem to be emphasizing bundling more this time, to protect higher margin voice and add-ons.
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