42 Mbps T-Mobile Service Hits NYC, Orlando, Vegas Carrier Also Unveils New 42 Mbps Capable Hardware Buried underneath talk of an AT&T acquisition, T-Mobile today unveiled the first cities that will be getting their faster 42 Mbps HSPA+ service: New York City, Orlando and Las Vegas. According to a company announcement, these launches will be followed closely by launches in Chicago, Long Island, and portions of New Jersey, with the company's goal being to deliver the faster service to 140 million Americans in 25 markets by the middle of this year. While theoretically capable of 42 Mbps, users in upgraded markets will probably see half of that or less, depending on regional congestion. "As T-Mobile continues the aggressive expansion of America’s Largest 4G Network, we’re doubling our maximum speed in more than two dozen markets, starting with three important cities today," T-Mobile's CTO Neville Ray stated today at the CTIA trade show. "We will continue to build on our 4G network advantage this year, providing customers with an industry-leading mobile data experience." T-Mobile has also announced a slew of new devices emerging this Spring that can take advantage of these faster HSPA+ speeds, including the T-Mobile G2x, an Android powered smartphone wielding a dual-core 1 GHz Nvidia Tegra 2 chip with an 8 megapixel front camera. T-Mobile also introduced their new Rocket 3.0 -- the first USB modem (in this case manufactured by ZTE) capable of handling the 42 Mbps speeds, as well as a new T-Mobile 4G Mobile Hotspot capable of supporting up to 5 Wi-Fi devices at HSPA speeds of 21 Mbps. What happens to these faster speeds after an AT&T acquisition? That process could take up to eighteen months or longer, by which point AT&T will have started more seriously pushing LTE service into a number of markets.
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 | | But what about the merger? Don't people with 3G or even 4G devices have to go get a new one once the merger is complete and T-mobile is no longer? If I were in the market, I'd be weary about signing a contract with them at this point. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: But what about the merger? Wary.
But yeah, I don't see what the point is in all of this. Obviously this stuff was all in the works prior to the merger announcement. But, it has that feeling of pissing-in-the-wind given the upcoming events. | |
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| Re: But what about the merger? Incremntal expense for the 42M upgrade probably isn't much. Maybe.a software uprade for many of the current cell sites. So this increases network speeds (probably to 15-25 Mbps for the Rocket 3.0) without much ffort on the part of TMo.
I want this tech to roll out in Denver. I'll buy the Rocket 3 off contract if it's $130 or less...I like fast speeds. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: But what about the merger? Yup. Just like my first generation Rocket. | |
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| | | Unknown. Generally these mergers are filled with concessions one of which may be running tmo bands longer, free devices etc... | |
| |  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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| Well, let's do the math, shall we?
The merger will take 12 months to approve, meaning no transition can or will happen until March of 2012.
ATT states that the'll begin opening up roaming within a year of THAT date. So by March of 2013 roaming will be open.
ATT states that they'll have the first markets begin transitioning over from AWS to PCS around 18 months from March 2012 - that's October of 2013.
If you get a device this year (2011), and use it for the term of your 2-year contract (2013), you'll be able to use your 3g data the entire period (probably with some months left over). And by the time you upgrade your phone after that, they'll only be selling phones that use 850/1900 for 3g, and 700/1700 for LTE.
tl;dr - get the device that you want, cuz aint nothin gonna change for the foreseeable future.
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| | |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: But what about the merger? unless you buy a device thinking it will work for longer than a 2 year contract.. | |
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| Re: But what about the merger? Why would a T-Mobile device cease to work??
AT&T and T-MO use the same GSM-EDGE-UMTS-HSPA+ technology.
It's not as if Sprint bought T-MO, and you had to junk EVERYTHING you have and buy new CDMA-1x/EVDO hardware.
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| Re: But what about the merger? said by KA3SGM:Why would a T-Mobile device cease to work??
AT&T and T-MO use the same GSM-EDGE-UMTS-HSPA+ technology.
It's not as if Sprint bought T-MO, and you had to junk EVERYTHING you have and buy new CDMA-1x/EVDO hardware.
T-mobile uses 1700/2100mhz for 3g. At&t uses 850mhz or 1900mhz depending on the area. Very few t-mobile devices work on at&t's 3g bands. The majority of t-mobile phones would revert to 2g, and would use the old edge network instead.
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| Re: But what about the merger? I am aware of the different frequencies involved, but why would AT&T arbitrarily shut down the T-MO 1700/2100 AWS band if it's a working HSPA 21+/42+ network??
AT&T already bought 700MHz spectrum for LTE.
If anything, AT&T would probably like to expand the 1700/2100 HSPA+ network, and add new devices that would work on it to their current inventory of phones.
If the deal closes, AT&T would walk away with nationwide 700MHz spectrum, 25MHz of 850 spectrum in most major markets, 40-80MHZ of 1900 spectrum, and 20 to 60 MHz of 1700/2100 AWS spectrum.
Why they would be rushed to shut down the entire existing T-MO network??
With all of the newly acquired spectrum from T-Mobile, including many of the existing T-MO towers that are already constructed(many of which are in current AT&T dead zones).
AT&T's customer service might suck, but they'll have enough extra spectrum capacity and tower coverage, that they won't have excuses for coverage or capacity problems for quite a while..
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| | | | | | | djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
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kudos:4 | Re: But what about the merger? its a done deal. They are shutting it entirely down. Announced yesterday I think. T-mobile customers are going to eventually need new phones.they are using the aws for lte. | |
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| | | | | | The alternate question is why aren't they shipping radio firmware upgrades that can reflash existing and new devices to PENTABAND?
There should be no specific hardware reason why they can't do any and all HSPA bands in the world on existing devices.
I'm aware of XDA's explorations, but I'm not convinced it's burned into the hardware. | |
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| said by tman852:Don't people with 3G or even 4G devices have to go get a new one once the merger is complete and T-mobile is no longer? If I were in the market, I'd be weary about signing a contract with them at this point. AT&T has already stated that people will get new phones/devices as part of the normal upgrade cycle. It will be a minimum of a year before the deal goes down, if it goes down at all. Then they aren't just going to shutoff TMo's frequencies. It will take 2+ years at that point to transition off existing contracts to AT&T's spectrum if they even go that route. | |
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| | sorry Soon as att gets there hands on Tmobile network it will turn to SHIT and slow. | |
|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 |  G2X smartphone with HSPA+ coming April 20
The G2X will start on April 20th, 2011.
T-Mobile G2X cell phone will have a 4.0-inch 480 x 800 capacitive touchscreen display, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, an 8-megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash, a front-facing 1.3-megapixel camera, A-GPS, WiFi, HDMI mirroring, an 8GB of internal memory, a microSD crad slot up to 32GB and Android 2.2 Froyo OS.
The T-Mobile G2X cell phone is the LG Optimus 2x
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| | | re Yea it seems this upgrade and stuff is worthless until we know the outcome of the deal. It's a bummer if they still spend all the money upgrading speeds only to be turned off after the merger. | |
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Mississauga, ON | Re: re said by thatissick:Yea it seems this upgrade and stuff is worthless until we know the outcome of the deal. It's a bummer if they still spend all the money upgrading speeds only to be turned off after the merger.
legally, the company needs to run like normal (as if it wasn't being bought out) until that actually happens..
all their plans for the next year that was already accounted for and such, will need to go through and be brought to the public (if it's meant for them) like normal. | |
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| Read a couple of reports online.... that say and state that new phone is compatible with ATT's current network, according to the specs, but will it run LTE ? That's what I want to see before making any more purchases with TMobile.  | |
| | | A pity Just when T-Mobile's getting some handsets worth looking at, they get swallowed up by AT&T.
T's CTO better start looking for another job. | |
|  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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Atlanta, GA | why bother? Who is going to purchase a new expensive phone on T-Mobile now when they know in a short time it will be useless?
And Android on AT&T? UGH. More crippled and crapware phones with outdated versions of the OS, just what the world needs.
This is a lose-lose all around for the consumer.
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| Re: why bother? said by fuziwuzi:Who is going to purchase a new expensive phone on T-Mobile now when they know in a short time it will be useless?
And Android on AT&T? UGH. More crippled and crapware phones with outdated versions of the OS, just what the world needs.
This is a lose-lose all around for the consumer.
Absolutely. I'll be switching to Sprint. EVO 3D.
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| | | | But see that is misinformation.
Not only are some current and proposed new devices (like the G2X) and the Nokia C7 capable of the 850/1900 MHz UMTS bands that AT&T uses but AT&T will facilitate the hardware costs associated with the switch over. If you read the AT&T slide deck you'll see that the cost of new equipment for T-Mobile customers is included in the $39 billion acquisition costs.
AT&T is not that dumb that they'd turn off a well built out network overnight. They would risk huge churn and create chaos. They are paying over $1000 per head and the last thing they want to do is see a whole bunch of defectors.
There will be a transition period where air spectrum allocated to HSPA + will slowly be moved over to support the existing 700 MHz spectrum for LTE. That takes time. Expect at least a 2-3 year transition period before anything starts to sunset. | |
| | | fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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Atlanta, GA | Re: why bother? AT&T says we can keep our current T-Mobile plans. No doubt AT&T will make offers to T-Mobile customers to switch their phones to new models. But I can guarantee that offer will come with the "you will need a new plan", as well. The crux of the matter is that we will be paying a LOT more for phone service. The reality is that AT&T has ALWAYS crippled their phones (even the iPhone -- remember no MMS?), and with Android, AT&T has abandoned the phones with no upgrades available and loaded them up with crapware to the point they don't have enough memory to hold anything else.
AT&T is not consumer-friendly. Never has been, never will be.
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| | | Root your android phone, clear out all the att crap off it, and be happy. | |
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| | When ATT takes over I am out I will NEVER pay for ATT EVER AGAIN. I left them for T mobile yrs ago when contract over I gone. ATT can kiss MY BUTT. | |
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| Re: When ATT takes over I am out I'm with you there.
I would bet that if there was a poll that tmobile people could go vote on this thing I think Tmobile would be surprised and Att as well on how many will end up leaving and have no interest in becoming part of the Death Star republic. Problem is now, where do you go for unlocked BYOD no contact GSM phone? Ya no where if this goes through. Personally I like to change phones. Sometimes twice a day. In the morning I read on my HD2 but in the afternoon I might carry a HTC-Aria or my many Black Berrys if I know I'm going to need BBM. All of this gets wiped away. Those phones might as well go in the trash since Att says we will need to buy new handsets after all this is done.
Then there's pricing. I'm not in a contact, in fact Tmobile not that long ago let alot people out to move them over to the even more plans without contacts. Mine is UL everything for 79.00 a month base and 93 after all the junk charges and ins on my phone. I don't have to worry about oh I only have 450 mins of landline mins or what ever options you have but soon as this buyout is done you can bet my plan is toast. So where do I go? Sprint,,, been there done that, burned sizzled, poor CS, billing is never right and usually their pricing is just 10 or 15 under VZW. Or I could go with VZW but non of this is going to be anything close to 79 bucks. What really burns is tmobile and Att are both acting like this is a done deal, a forgone conclusion. Although I'm sure everyone has been paid off now at all the levels of Gov to make this happen they don't have to rub in our face. My final notes Do you really think Att would really put out a 3 billion dollar payment to Tmobile if this wasn't going to go through?
If Att has all this money why in the world do they even need Tmobile.
Point is they dont. They can gripe about spectrum all they want but in the end they could always get more from someone else if they really needed it. Which they dont.
rant off.
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| Re: When ATT takes over I am out The number of nuts who will leave just because of some sort of bizarre hatred for AT&T is very small. The combined network and coverage is going to be simply awesome.
The bigger issue is how many T-Mo customers are going to have such bad credit that they won't be able to get an AT&T contract. | |
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Jacksonville, FL | Re: When ATT takes over I am out LOL..AT&T's reputation of bizarre hatred is well earned. Having been an AT&T customer twice over I can safely say..tnhere won't be a third time  | |
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| Re: When ATT takes over I am out I'm a very happy AT&T customer. Although I ended up on AT&T because of the legacy of SNET and SBC, I am very happy with their network, which is second to none. The only thing I am unhappy with is phone selection, since Verizon has been ahead of AT&T in that department since the launch of DROID. | |
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| Re: When ATT takes over I am out I left AT&T because they managed to turn off or screw up various "features" (services) included in my grandfathered plan. Multiple times, no less! It got to be an almost monthly go-around.
It may get interesting when T-Mobile (my current no contract provider) and AT&T merge. | |
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| Re: When ATT takes over I am out We've never had an issue with our grandfathered plan- but then again were Orange from day 1. The only thing is, we're blocked out of some phone upgrades and stuff like the anymobile, but I didn't have an issue adding texting and data, and now we have family texting, data on two lines, and I got two smartphone upgrades without an issue. If the day comes that the grandfathering ends, it's not a big deal, AT&T's plans are pretty much the same as everything else out there with some minor changes (in our case, we'd lose 150 minutes but get anymobile). The big advantage for T-Mo subs to move to Orange will be rollover, which is the main thing that lives on from the good old days of Cingular. | |
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