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Sharon, WI
clubs: | Good? Could this be a good thing?
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
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Miami, FL | Re: Good? no, basically they are doing it to force the PUC to calm down with regulations so they can "profit" aka charge you more money
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Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY
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| Nobody likes us Businesses have mostly gone south, taxes are at record highs, residents are leaving in droves and the major export is highly educated college graduates. Now utilities don't even want anything to do with upstate NY.
Ah, we're just simple country folk, don't need no fancy DSL out here. 
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA | Re: Nobody likes us I hear ya Karl.
I always wondered why the paint just seemed to wash off everything outdoors when I lived in Johnson City, NY. | |
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TrainBuff
The New Haven Railroad
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Buffalo, NY
clubs: | Re: Nobody likes us Will the last one out of New York State, please turn off the lights! | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| Re: Nobody likes us I guess what I'd be curious about, are other states doing that much better? I know California is, though they have their own problems....
But I've often wondered how much of upstate NY's problems are simply weather related. The center of the state is like a cloud vacuum, there's two week stretches where the people there don't see the sun......
Makes it difficult to attract new industry looking for communities to build around....
What's funny is that in the 40's Binghamton was a massive boom-town, and quite the gambling, social mecca..... | |
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Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
1 edit | Re: Nobody likes us If it wasn't for the flood of 1972 Elmira NY would be as big as Buffalo, Roch. or Syracuse. You know, the place where Mark Twain Studied, and where the Clemens center is? It's just west of Binghamton. »www.ci.elmira.ny.us/history/mark_twain.html
The southern Tier of NY has been dead since then. I grew up in Elmira and live in Buffalo- The reason why upstate is in the economic condition it's in is because we get taxed to death. That's 99% of the problem, the other 1% is the government mismanagement and waste of the collected taxes... The people who can afford it get an education and go south, coming back to upstate to see family and friends. The people who stay settle for low paying jobs and 80% are alcoholics because there isn't much else to do..
There are plenty of bars to go to though, of course now they are all failing because the MORONIC government banned smoking in all bars.. Now the people they think they are protecting cannot afford to eat..
Amazing how bad an idiotic bunch of Democrats can mess up a state. New York City should be disconnected from upstate and take of their own problems and become it's own state too- then a huge problem would be lifted off upstate... Then maybe we could get some Republicans in office and get some tax relief and economic growth. Then maybe it would be worth it for businesses of all kinds to come back to upstate, including telecommunication companies. Then Adelphia would be kicked out and not allowed to do business in the state like should have happened before, instead of NY bailing them out and making the taxpayers pay for their 6 billion dollar thievery.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
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PC gaming GAMES
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| Re: Nobody likes us Yes I visited Twain's grave last summer, actually.
Isn't Pataki a republican? I don't think he's been much help, either.....
I agree on the concept of more isolation of NYC from the rest of the state.....
It's like a beauty mark, it gets all the attention when you look at the face.... | |
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Hope Tw Is Better
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Horseheads, NY | Re: Nobody likes us LOL- I think it's more like a boil.
Lance that BOIL!!:o
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fartness
Computersoc Dot Com
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join:2003-03-25
Look Outside
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| Good maybe? Though I have acceptable cable modem service from Adelphia, having a DSL choice where I live wouldn't exactly be bad - especially if they can offer more than Adelphia's 3000/256 for about $45. Verizon is everywhere here but I am too far from CO.
I take it phone service too? ...goes to read article.
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ripecherriesandraspb
@verizon.n
| Re: Good maybe? Well, there's good and bad across upstate NY,
poor people that they must subsidize with nearly free phone service (universial service fund) out in the 'sticks' and the new 'mandate' of brining them access to broadband.. is daunting a task, while companies running community based fiber is cherry picking the best of the best in verizon's territory upstate and they're increasingly left with raspberries, tough luck... I say they should deploy fiber to replace copper all the way to the customer's home.. by 2007-2010, meaning that they have millions of miles of fiber to go in their network.. and if in the next year or two you hear an Indian accented customer service agent answering the calls, thank Republican deregulation... for removing thousands more jobs from the U.S.A.!
But I better get that fiber soon.. it's part of a balanced daily diet... | |
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
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Miami, FL | haha so much for their "national" coverage announcement yesterday
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| Re: haha said by FLECOM  :
so much for their "national" coverage announcement yesterday
I was thinking the exact same thing. I think Verizon's definition of nationwide coverage is in corporate double-speak - "We have at least on PoP per state and that's nationwide coverage... Every state is on the network."
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Pseydtonne
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Melrose, MA
| Rochester doesn't count in that stack. I grew up in Utica, the center of upstate New York. We were jealous of Rochester because they never had to suffer Ma Bell (via New York Telephone) -- they had RT (Rochester Telephone), which today is Frontier. They're the second most populous city in upstate (Monroe County has a population around 350,000).
There are also other corners of the state not in Verizon's grip, most in the Adirondacks. Newport Telephone, which became Northland Telephone and then bought a successful ISP, is one of the few to survive.
Will any of this be good for upstate New York? Unlikely. NYS has all sorts of restrictions that kept Verizon from being happy even in the days of NYNEX (such as a 25¢ per call limit on pay phones, which led them to cut the time per call down to a minute).
By the way, what are the colors on the upstate map supposed to reflect? The area codes have significantly different shapes.
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Orchard Park, NY
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| Re: Rochester doesn't count in that stack. said by Pseydtonne :
By the way, what are the colors on the upstate map supposed to reflect? The area codes have significantly different shapes.
Looks more like a wireless plan "home area" map.
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SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY | Wha?????? "Buffalo is a city of more than a million people"
Buffalo's population as of the 2000 census was 292,648, and continues to decline. Where did they get 1 million from? | |
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Pseydtonne
Premium
join:2003-01-25
Melrose, MA
| think counties when you think NYS. The city of Buffalo is only about 300k; when you include all suburbs in Erie County, you get to 1 million.
After all, NYS still has a population of 17 million. While more than half of that is in the downstate, that still leaves a population larger than Massachusetts north of Westchester County. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Wha?????? Sorry, should read the "Buffalo region".... | |
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Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY | Re: Wha?????? The Buffalo MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) covers all of both Erie and Niagara county. That might be what the writer of the article was referring to. | |
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SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY
1 edit | If the poster meant region, then he should have SAID region. Karl since has said he should have said region. I did assume the author meant the Erie / Niagara county area. I just was curious.
So why the shot across my bow? This coming from someone in NIAGARA FALLS for god's sake, the 2nd most backward thinking city in the state, behind Buffalo of course. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Wha?????? Considering I lived on Heath street in Buffalo for a summer and spent some time in Fredonia, I should have known better.  | |
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SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY | Re: Wha?????? Don't worry guy, all us natives do the same thing. | |
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bistro777
Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
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Englewood, CO
| From the "useless-information-you-might want-to-know" department - - - Shortly before the premier of the Marx Brothers movie Duck Soup (1933), Fredonia, NY complained about the use of its name with an additional "e". The Marx Brothers' response was: "Change the name of your town - it's hurting our picture."
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Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
| Re: Wha?????? Kenmore stinks like garbage, I had the unfortunate experience of living there for a year--
I hope it leaves, and takes it's stench with it- It's much better in Amherst (but not in some parts). In reality this whole REGION stinks like crap though, and I can't wait to get out.
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SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY
| Re: Wha?????? "How does that make YOU feel?"
I feel great thanks. The opinion from someone in the Falls means nothing to me.
Really intelligent comments too, seeing that the city of NF is 7 minutes from Sanborn, REAL hick town. You can always tell when you make it there though, the scenery changes from open, green space and nice houses to burned out factories and crackhouses.
I rather enjoy where I live thanks. We do have a dairy, sure, but the air is clean, crime is very low, people won't rob your last 20 buck for a down psyment on a speedball, and we don't have moronic politicians who seem to get bent over the table by the state on a weekly basis. We don't have a lot of development or construction, but then again, aside from the Seneca Casino, neither do you.
So, all in all, you can suck it tough guy. | |
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| | | Hickerx2
God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY
| said by SkellBasher :
So why the shot across my bow? This coming from someone in NIAGARA FALLS for god's sake, the 2nd most backward thinking city in the state, behind Buffalo of course.
LOL, sounds like somebody doesn't like you for some reason.
I think it's sad that he feels a dairy is something to be embarrassed by. | |
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| Hickerx2
God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY
| said by SkellBasher :
"Buffalo is a city of more than a million people"
Buffalo's population as of the 2000 census was 292,648, and continues to decline. Where did they get 1 million from?
They got that figure from last last year's census | |
| | Hickerx2
God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY
| Although I agree that NF is a dumpy, shitty town, no more so than Buffalo. The fact is that no town in this state will ever be profitable, and there will never be any jobs here again, until we get rid of the crap floating in the state Government.
The highest in the nation:
unemployment
taxes
utilities
welfare rolls
relocation rates
Like I said, NF is a shitty town, but local Governments really don't have alot to do with it any more. What company in their right mind, would set up shop in the highest taxed state in the nation?
Jobs are gone, no fixing that on a local level.
Taxes can't be alleviated locally.
Utility rates won't change until we get rid of the politicians on the payrolls of the big utilities.
Welfare....NY's claim to fame. | |
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snkeyes3
join:2003-09-23
| Laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to Every way you look at this, us upstaters lose.
If Verizon leaves, who will take us and how will their service be? Will my callerID/forwarding bill go up? What about rate increases by a new carrier as incentive to take us in?
If Verizon stays, rate hikes will obviously occur.
Maybe AT&T is looking for residential customers. I'll have to actually read the next "urgent announcement regarding your residential service" they mail me. | |
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ME
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Cleveland, OH
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| Re: Laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to If Verizon does sell SBC may put a bid in since they have CT with SNet.
back when MCI was not sure they were getting out of Chapter 11 they asked SBC to put a bid into buy them out but they refused. the FCC and FTC also asked SBC to do the same. | |
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL | Call their bluff! Assemble all the munis in the area and actually buy the network. Two months later people will think Verizon was an insturment on the 1935 Brewster Buffalo/ | |
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
Premium
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14225-2105
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| inability to profit?? Yeahhhhhh.....I wonder just how it costs $25/month (plus enough taxes, fees, and "surcharges" to make the bill more like $47) to offer phone service that includes only flat-rate calling and CND w/ name. And $8/mo. of that (less taxes) is for the CND. Give me a break. This is why I have VoicePulse. I have a much bigger flat-rate calling area, just about every telephony feature in the book and then some, for about $15/mo., whereas the same purchased through VZ would likely be in the range of $70-$90/mo. So either VZ are overcharging, or VP are undercharging. hmmmmmm...
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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Mount Vernon, NY | Re: inability to profit?? How much of an infrastructure does VoicePulse maintain?
hmmmmmmmmm
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
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Albany, NY
| what are they selling? I don't understand what they are selling. Are they selling older phone lines and dsl circuits or the whole network, or tower maintenance, or line maintenance?
upstate is shitty, but getting somewhat better (well maybe not Rochester) but Saratoga county and Albany county are getting AMD, Semitech North, Albany Nanontech, and a few other companies that have moved in or are moving in. There are large contracting firms and if look hard enough one can live fairly well in the impoverished upstate. But that is not my point. There is some demographic shift around here, people from LI and westchester as they get older and retire are selling their overpriced real estate and moving north bringing with them new capital, new ventures and unfortunately the rise in home prices.
And Verizon again is going to do what with all the FIOS they deployed in Rochester, Syracuse, Colonie, Delmar, etc... are they selling that too? They just started working on the TV agreement for Town of Colonie, which was the 6th safest city this year, it is all suburbia up here.
I know the State government props up Albany, but there is a service based economy that would work well if taxes were lower and land would be cheaper.
The creation of the rust belt killed this place.
We are the highest taxed people in the nation. High property, income, sales, gasoline, and in some places local taxes.
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| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Till of the Hun Wouldn't that put at risk the STATEWIDE franchise just about being handed on a silver platter by a democratic governor with the strings attached to wire 100% of its territory (as currently outlined.. not selling short rural communities)..
You take the fleas with the dog.. they are more than happy to keep collecting the fees generated for those communities, but when it comes to investment in the network.. well, sorry... not as profitable as we'd like.. well, route ONE fiber into each rural town and tell the hick farmers they have to use a wifi network set up at each town hall, instead of going farmhouse to outhouse, to methodist church to use the broadband watering hole.. | |
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