 Hickerx2
God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY | Typo? "1.5Mbps/384kbps"
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| rudedogs
join:2002-08-25
Granbury, TX
clubs: | lol, I am stilling at 768/128 and waiting for the 1.5 upgrade, but every time i call verizon i am told i am 80 feet to far (12080 feet from co)
So I will not holod my breath, so far verizon has done nothin much but lie and give runarounds. | |
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| hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
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Nikes
@verizon.n
| Well, how about this- why don't they silently upgrade everyone who in the 12k-18k to 1.5/384. Why should you have to call in and ask for the upgrade?(Like the MSN for prior customers, they could have just sent out the CD's) Then next month state in that little service bulletin update (in your bill) say "Have you noticed a speed upgrade lately?" in our ongoing efforts to improve dsl value we're upgrading our lines to increase the speeds you receive. We expect to install new equipment that will make your service faster still, please be patient. Stay tuned for more updates.
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join:2003-04-05
San Francisco, CA | Re: Nike has it right, just do it !! More money. That is why. | |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| 1,500/384 Package Since you brought it up, VOL should start upgrading this package to 3,000/384.
Compared to the rest of the industry the price they charge for this tier is a rip-off.
There aren't a heck of a lot of customers who opt for this package. It might be a good place to start line upgrades.
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grunt187
join:2001-11-19
Hornell, NY | Re: 1,500/384 Package The 1.5/384 should be their new Base package for Residential service. Not sure how they are going to price it for businesses. | |
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StreetSpirit
R.I.P. George Denis Patrick Carlin
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn Heights, NY
clubs: | Re: 1,500/384 Package Lets hope so! | |
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ChrisDAT
Google Keyword Compsysnyc
join:2002-02-26
Hollis, NY
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April 30th, @11:20AM
| 384K :) upload The 384Kbps Upload is what the power users are "really" clamoring for -- I wouldn't shed a tear if 1.5Mbps remains the max download rate -- it would still blow away cable.
[cjw edit: 1.5K=1.5M  ] | |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
clubs: | Re: 384K :) upload Agreed! | |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: 384K :) upload He probably means his cable provider. Most of the country has Comcast, Charter, Time Warner, or Adelphia. All but Time Warner give 256kbps upstream at the base package price.
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jfranco101
join:2003-05-16
Portland, ME
| I have DSL at 4mbps/512Kbps for 29.95/mo And holy crap is it nice.
I can get up to 5 IPs, 2 of which can be optionally static. Ahh, I'm just bragging
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pende_tim
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Andover, NJ | Limits for 780/128 speds? If they have pushed out the 1.5 speeds to 18K feet, have they also pushed out the distance limit for the lower tier speeds? | |
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kenyg
join:2001-02-09
Hatboro, PA | Finally Yes, the 128k upload kills me. I can't wait.
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
Premium
join:2002-12-02
Houston, TX | 18K and 14K, why? How come on one coast it is 18K and on the other it is 14K??? | |
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| xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs: | Re: 18K and 14K, why? It probably has something to do with one being mostly Former Bell Atlantic while the other is former GTE. | |
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grunt187
join:2001-11-19
Hornell, NY | Hasn't the west always been a little lower ? | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Tofu dogs, Kelp shakes and too much sun limit the ability of install technicians on the West Coast.  | |
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rpeAMP
join:2000-12-02
San Antonio, TX | You gotta remember that Verizon is a conglomeration of several telcos. It's quite possible that the integrity of the lines in one area is of higher caliber in one area than in the next. | |
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jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Different deployed hardware & architecture. Not sure why it happened that way but there's always been differences between V-east & V-west. Prior to this those diffs were most often impacted end-users when they relocated across the divide and, upon arrival, discovered they couldn't continue to use their same dsl modem. | |
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dru
join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA
| Good question .... the 14.2k is actually a 2k foot DOWNGRADE and there are quite a few people between the 14.2k and 16.2k that have qualified at the basic 768x128 who will now be disqualified if they attempt to change ISPs or upgrade.
The notification I received last week talked about it as an "enhancement" but little explanation about dropping West Coast qualification while increasing East Coast.
One explanation might be that more 26 gauge cable was installed by GTE in its territories, but SBC actually reports their loop qualification in 26ga equivalence, and they still qualify loops in the 17k range.
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dslsynch
join:2003-05-22
|  Re: 18K and 14K, why?
vz west's is mostly 24 awg to 26 awg. the higher the awg number, the smaller the size of the copper conductor. the smaller the awg number, the bigger the copper conductor.
smaller conductor lines have more resistance to electrical signal transmissions; bigger conductor lines offer less resistance to electrical signal transmissions. with less resistance on a line, a dsl signal will have longer reach.
it will have less signal attenuation/loss. | |
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| pvc00
join:2001-03-10
Hampton, VA | on the east coast is mainly ex-Bell Atlantic which uses ATM DSL equipment, where ex GTE territory uses Frame relay style DSL, I guess the DSL wont go out as far on the Frame Relay, but only the engineers know that stuff.. | |
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dru
join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA
| Re: 18K and 14K, why? Your information is about 2 years out of date. After the merger between Verizon and GTE, they discontinued installing Frame (Fujitsu) equipment. ATM ("ASAMs") were installed in all offices and now no longer make it available for new installs. If you change ISPs or move, you can't get reprovisioned to a frame DSLAM which are all "closed" to new orders. The only reason you still hear about frame clients here so much is because this site is frequented by a high percentage of early adopters. | |
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Hickerx2
God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY | Would be nice I really don't mind the 1.5/128 package, but it would be nice to get a 256 UL cap.(or more)
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xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs: | So does this mean That I will finally be getting 1.5 down? I'm at 17,200 Ft. | |
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EnzonE
join:2000-03-23
Indiana, PA | Re: So does this mean Yeah I have the same question, it'd be nice to finally get off that 768Kbps down. You can bet I have my calendar marked to give VOL a call up on 5/15! =)
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FDM80
join:2001-07-16
Silver Spring, MD
·Verizon FIOS
| Can we call the change in? So is this the same deal when VOL went to 1.5Mbps/128kbps and down to $35/month and we could accelerate the change by calling them? Or is this something we all have to sit around for and pray it happens to us soon.
The prior threshold was 12,000 and I was 12,400. Damn 400 feet! | |
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grunt187
join:2001-11-19
Hornell, NY | Re: Can we call the change in? Yeah, If you are under 12,000 ft and currently qualify for 1.5/384 they could probably upgrade you now, but that is IF they want to. Most likely they will just wait until the 15th when everything up to 18,000 ft shows qualified. | |
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hang10
join:2002-11-03
Temecula, CA | West Coast 14.4? Ive been with DSL extreme for a few months now. Im at 16,500 and get a solid 1400/138. I also qualify for the 1500/384. Not sure what the 14.4 limit is all about.
Anyone else farther than 14.4 and get the 1500/128 teir on in the SO CAl area? | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Pangea
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April 30th, @11:44AM
| east coast loop spec has always been 18Kft every m&p ive seen for the last 3 yrs has loop qual listed out to 18kft. ive been doing dsl trouble report field visits during that time as well. we have always used 18kft as the maximum distance allowable, but the business office tries to sell it out much much further than that. please keep in mind that just because the company says youre qualified, doesnt mean youll actually get those speeds all the time, if ever. many factors determine tx/rx rate and distance/attenuation is but one of those factors. not to mention engineers who continually qualify loaded prs. dsl is always sold on the "best effort" scenario and they really guarantee nothing.
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pende_tim
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Andover, NJ
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April 30th, @12:18PM
| Re: east coast loop spec has always been 18Kft The spec was 18K but between 12K-18K they only sold 780/125 speeds. Beyond 18K they would not normally prequalify.What will the new max distance be? or are they only going to sell 1.5/384 | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Pangea
·Comcast
| Re: east coast loop spec has always been 18Kft by the time we (as field techs) find out what the new "max" is, they will have changed their minds a dozen times. every dsl i have installed within the last 8 months(except aol dsl) has been provisioned at 1792/160 the aol dsl is put in at 864/160 at least thats what they do in pa.
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| xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs: | I will be happy if they just upgrade me. I have 768/128 and have a solid 730/131 line. But I would like to get a bit more out of it. | |
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| elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD | 18k and beyond is the lenght at which cables pairs need to be loaded for proper voice performance. So that is why most pairs that are longer than 18k are loaded and will stay loaded. | |
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bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
Premium
join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA |  Good news for my neighborhood!
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mabus
Dissociated But Not Disconnected
join:2002-11-12
Fort Wayne, IN | frame customers i think its about time i pestered them to move me off of frame relay. LOL. | |
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CoxCable4
banned from most servers for cheating
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | yay now I can get regular dsl instead of crap idsl. | |
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jesseb_66
join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ | finally All I have wanted was faster upload lucky I'm only 302 feet from my CO LOL. Faster download would be okay but I don't NEED it. Finally VOL it was about time. | |
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FDM80
join:2001-07-16
Silver Spring, MD | May 15th is the key date here? So we can start calling them up to increase our speeds on May 15th? | |
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA | Too late! Haha. Too little, too late. I went with OOL as soon as it was available a year and a half ago. I just checked the VZ loop qualifying page and it FINALLY says it's available.  :p | |
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| astamand
Premium
join:2003-10-11
Temple, NH
| Re: Too late! Read it carefully:
"East coast customers who sign up for Verizon 1.5Mbps/384kbps, 1.5Mbps/128kbps and 384kbps/384kbps packages should now be qualified out to 18,000 feet from the CO."
This does not mean that the upload speed will be increased to 384. It means the distance to qualify for these three tiers will be pushed out to 18K feet.
1.5Mbps/384kbps is a business tier, and will now be available out to 18K feet.
1.5Mbps/128kbps is a residential tier, and will now be available out to 18K feet.
This is great news for 768/128 users but I am afraid the 1.5Mbps users will most likely not see any speed increases.
There are rumors that that the 1.5/384 tariff that was filed with the FCC is complete now. That was filed to change the pricing of 768/128 1.5/128 and 1.5/384 to the same for all three.
More on this can be found in this thread: »Verizon Upload and Loop Length Changes ! !
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kennydillon
Premium
join:2002-06-09
Goddard, KS
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| Question I do not know anything about DSL for I have Cable Internet. I was wondering why is it that you have to be within so many feet of the Teleco to qualify for DSL? You like have to be closer to get faster speeds. Is there not the technology to give DSL customers the same speeds that Cable users have no matter how far away you are? It just makes no sense to me.
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