SBC Worker Arrested Disconnecting lines during labor dispute An SBC employee was arrested over the weekend ( AP) for disconnecting the lines of more than 100 SBC customers, as talk of an employee strike heats up. Police say the employee disrupted service to customers because he wanted the lines to have to be reconnected during an overtime shift, or by a manager. The arrest was made in Connecticut, where local unions recently announced they'd hired private investigators to track the behavior of SBC (previously SNET) managers in the region. The Unions claim several employees have been fired for things managers are allowed to get away with. The two sides are continuing negotiations in Washington, as workers in several cities have protested at local offices.
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 vitalus
join:2003-12-17
Sugar Land, TX | has any user been affected through these disputes what i am wondering is if any SBC users have had downtime over this?? Or is it something that SBC has to work out internally and because it doesn't affect us who cares?? Just asking | |
|  | wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | Re: has any user been affected through these disputes My guess would be that is did affect people, but they still will not do much about it. Hopefully they will have to do something because of the press that this will get.
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| |  PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | 100 people didnt have phone service or access to 911...
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| | nonymousPremium
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ Reviews:
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| Try a cable cut thru a pulp cable by water line installer. That takes time. Temp it then tone each pair. Overtime thru thanksgiving.
The tech should not have done that. But on the scale of what happens minor. A car into a cross box. A prank set a closure on fire. Or just a fire from trash in an alley near a pedestal.
Or a propane explosion melts the cable at the closure and feet underground. Call the manager, we need a cable crew out here later. Well can't you temp it. Can not get near it. Well how do you know the problem. Well the fire department is here a propane tank is on fire. The closure is gone as near the tank.
So after fire is out we need a cable repair crew. | |
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1 edit | Re: has any user been affected through these dispu said by nonymous:
Try a cable cut thru a pulp cable by water line installer. That takes time. Temp it then tone each pair. Overtime thru thanksgiving.
Now speaking from a purely technical perspective
just to illustrate how very brainless they were even
in how they did what they did....
If I were going to do something as immensely stupid as these
idiots that got themselves arrested, I would have just
simply setup bridge taps and cross lines in about a zillion
random lines instead of directly knocking the lines out.
A line that is completely out is somewhat easy to locate
especially if there are a whole bunch in the same area;
However, a line that is crossed with another line can
often be a real pain in you know what to sort out. A
whole bunch of them can be nothing short of a nightmare ...
Hey, I've had to actually repair a number of those that
make you really want to kick in a few walls in frustration
trying to figure out what is wrong and rack your brain out
even more trying to figure out who was the moron who wired
everything like that in the first place. LOL
Speaking from an ethical perspective though, I do not
condone any kind of sabotage activity like that and what
they did was very, very wrong and I hope they rot in prison
until the end of time. Also, what happens if one of
those customers had a heart attack or something happened
while the phones were out? Someone could have died!
(Actually someone might want to look that up if anyone has
access to the addresses that were effected. If anyone
died because the phones were out, you could probably
escalate the terrorism charge to murder or at the very
least some kind of man slaughter) | |
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| peterz
join:2002-01-10
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Well I would say it affected some down time,,,But for sure it has affected speed.They had to close alot of ports. {no craft to maintain them}and the managers sure don,t know how: | |
| | nonymousPremium
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ | correct management does not know how in most cases. | |
| | | | Just shows the mentallity of the unions and union workers. "Screw everyone else, I'm in it just for me." $$$$$$$$$$$ | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: has any user been affected through these dispu right | |
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kudos:1 | Veh, it took you close to three months to respond to this topic. I hope you didnt spend all that time thinking up your witty, insightful, and charasmatic reply.
(and in case your missed it, I am being sarcastic for bumping such an old thread and adding absolutely nothing to it.)
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 rpeAMP
join:2000-12-02
San Antonio, TX | Goodbye I say prosecute him to the highest extent of the law, and fire him if it hasn't been done already. This person knew exactly what he was doing, and knew that it was wrong but carried it out anyway. | |
| |  HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Goodbye said by rpeAMP:
...and fire him if it hasn't been done already.
They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!. | |
| | | rpeAMP
join:2000-12-02
San Antonio, TX | Re: Goodbye Sure they can...as long as the reasoning has nothing to do with the union stuff that's going on. They could by basis of insubordination, not following procedure, etc. | |
| | | wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | Explain again how he shouldn't be fired? What is the reasoning that you would use to defend what this person did, and why he should keep his job?
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| | | FrohikePremium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
kudos:4
1 edit | said by Hall:
said by rpeAMP:
...and fire him if it hasn't been done already.
They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!.
The union will try and save his job. Thats what we pay the union for, to fight for your job, wrong or right. But in the end, there is no defense for this and will most likely get terminated. Personally I don't agree with that behavior, just puts the union and the company in negative light. | |
| | | | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Goodbye said by Frohike:
The union hired PIs to follow the worker. So the union was responsible for getting him caught. And yes the union will try and save his job.
Okay, explain the logic in that to me, please. They did something that helps catch him doing something wrong, then defends home for doing this act. | |
| | | | | FrohikePremium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
kudos:4 | Re: Goodbye I misread the story. The Union actually hired PIs to follow managers. But even if the union caught this individual, they would still defend him. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but they would try. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Goodbye Let's just remember that a union member is entitled to representation at his hearing/investigation, and the union is obligated to provide such representation by virtue of the employee's membership. Them doing so does not imply that they defend his action, but simply ensures that proper procedure is observed.
This is analogous to the Constitutional rights of the accused in court; whether we are innocent or guilty, we have the right to a fair trial.
And yes, I think any employee sabotaging company equipment and customer lines ought to forfeit his job. | |
| | | | | | |  Sweet WitchBe the flame, not the moth.Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey | Re: Goodbye But can't SBC get him for trespassing, damaging private property or something like that that's outside the union but would still be a legal action?
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Goodbye The crime he is accused of committing is a felony. If convicted, he would no longer be eligible to work for SBC. | |
| | | | | | | | |  MrFixitCTpay it forwardPremium,VIP,ExMod 2001-06
join:2000-12-01
Charleston, SC | Re: Goodbye doesn't matter, he admitted his action, he's been terminated from the employment roles and CWA has decided to let it stand, rather smart of them too...
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| | | | | | | | |  BadHatHook'M HornsPremium
join:2003-10-14
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kudos:1 | Exactly.... Communications disruption is a federal offense in many cases. He will be fired. | |
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said by Frohike:
The union hired PIs to follow the worker. So the union was responsible for getting him caught. And yes the union will try and save his job.
Okay, explain the logic in that to me, please. They did something that helps catch him doing something wrong, then defends home for doing this act.
Who said it was logical? Unions ARE NOT logical. The first poster had it right. They can't fire him - else face the rath of the union.
Unions need to stop this crap. They need to tell their members "you do something stupid/illegal/etc and get fired, too bad". Discrimination, unfair hiring/firing/working practices, etc is one thing, but sleeping on the job, destruction of company property, theft, and things like this need to be dealt with and the union needs to back the company - not the idiotic worker.
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| | | | | Unions are evil anyway, anyone who is a memeber of the union should be fired for what this guy did no behalf of the Union. They were needed to get better conditions for workers in the early part of the 1900's since the late 60's there has been no reason for Unions they just cause trouble now. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Goodbye said by haplo2112:
Unions are evil anyway, anyone who is a memeber of the union should be fired for what this guy did no behalf of the Union. They were needed to get better conditions for workers in the early part of the 1900's since the late 60's there has been no reason for Unions they just cause trouble now.
Yeah - teachers are already WAY overpaid. Let's break up their unions, too! (sarcasm, obviously)
The problem of corruption in the union is not inherent in having a union, just as the problem of corruption in companies is not inherent in having a company. The problem is certain individuals possessing too much power within those entities.
Unions are still necessary. Corrupt jag-offs from either side are the problem.
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| | | | | | BeeperPart Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH | Re: Goodbye said by TheMadSwede:
Yeah - teachers are already WAY overpaid. Let's break up their unions, too! (sarcasm, obviously)
This is the most constructive education proposal I've run across.
said by TheMadSwede:
The problem of corruption in the union is not inherent in having a union, just as the problem of corruption in companies is not inherent in having a company. The problem is certain individuals possessing too much power within those entities.
Genius.
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| | | | | |  JoshNJPremium
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Freehold, NJ | said by TheMadSwede:
The problem is certain individuals possessing too much power within those entities.
when a person works for a company, they choose to work for that company and whoever is in charge, if they don't like how the company is managed, too bad, quit and go someplace else. More companies really need to start refusing to deal with unions anymore. If the workers strike, hire replacements, there are plenty of qualified people out there who would be more than happy to take those jobs, and probably at lower wages than the union forces. In the short run giving a big FU to the unions would be bad for a business, but in the long run it would be better.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Goodbye said by JoshNJ:
said by TheMadSwede:
The problem is certain individuals possessing too much power within those entities.
when a person works for a company, they choose to work for that company and whoever is in charge, if they don't like how the company is managed, too bad, quit and go someplace else. More companies really need to start refusing to deal with unions anymore. If the workers strike, hire replacements, there are plenty of qualified people out there who would be more than happy to take those jobs, and probably at lower wages than the union forces. In the short run giving a big FU to the unions would be bad for a business, but in the long run it would be better.
What's your goal for doing away with unions? What end results do you want?
I've seen firsthand the ridiculousness of the unions. I worked at UPS. They'd pass out their little union newspaper that discussed asanine demands like a 4-day work week and other short-sighted, dim-witted ideas. Or the UAW driving up the cost of autos with their posh health care and retirement plans. What are they thinking?
I've also seen the positive effects of a union. People able to afford health care for their families. People building relationships to protect themselves from a company that could really care less about them.
I've seen firsthand the ridiculousness of corporations. Axing people that had worked at a company for 15-20 yeards. Sending out communications regarding why it's actually good for people that their jobs are being globally sourced to a different country. Executive compensation reaching ridiculous levels while some employees have to save for years just to be able to afford a started home in some areas.
I've also seen the positive effects and actions of corporations. Providing profit sharing and bonuses for quality work done. Silly parties with beer (mmm...beer) to celebrate a finished project. A manager letting an employee take paid LOA because his wife has a brain tumor.
Where do you draw the line? In some people's short-sighted little worlds, "if you don't like it, then quit" is the answer for everything. And to some degree, it's right. No one's forcing anyone to do anything in this country -- well, except obey the laws and pay the taxes.
But that theory is completely void of any sort of human relation. That sounds too intangible to be of any value, especially if you're extremely right wing. I think it is of value, not to be the be-all-end-all, but at least a factor in decision making.
Now money is all that matters, so we shop at stores that piss on their employees and whine about unions jacking prices, then we cry for John Kerry or G-Dubs to save us when our job gets sent to India. We bash companies for their greed, then complain that we don't have a job that pays what we'd like, as we sit our fat asses in our too-big houses and drive our 2 cars around. We complain about paying taxes, then whine to our co-workers about sitting in traffic for hours because the roads suck. We complain that employment is down, but don't want to give any slack or benefits to employers. We base right and wrong on what works best for us and give our allegiances to political parties, leaving us impotent to take action against lying politicans, rampant corruption and blatant stupidity. We've lost so much focus that we don't care "that [our] daughters are porno stars and [our] sons sell death to kids[we're] so lost in [our] little worlds, [our] little worlds [we'll] never fix". We're certain that everyone else is dumb and we've got it figured out, but we fall apart when things don't go our way.
Unions aren't the problem and neither are companies. People are the problem. I recognize that doesn't give us any sort of association to bash or rail on or vote against, but it's the truth.
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said by rpeAMP:
...and fire him if it hasn't been done already.
They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!.
Even if the union were to support him, he can still be fired because he (might be) convicted of a criminal act while on duty. If the union even tried to support him, they could be locked out and public opinion would side with SBC since no one wants convicted criminals working on their phone lines. | |
| | | | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Goodbye Unions don't care what the company thinks. They don't care what the public thinks. | |
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| | jsouthJsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | Wrong! They can and should fire him and the union can't do jack about it. What he did was illegal. He could see jail time. | |
| | | | | | Re: Goodbye Leme see if I've got this straight...
first the person gets arrested ( likely they missed a day of work without a valid reason ).
Next, if the person gets incarscerated for any period of time, the employer could easily not allow his time off.. so if the persong can't do the job, because they aren't there.... the company can't terminate them....
I doubt there's a union that could find a way to support that argument... I'm sure he'd hear Donald Trumps words... "Your Fired" echoing around in thier empty head for a bit...
Gime a break | |
| | | | | jsouthJsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | Re: Goodbye Did you even read the story? He was arrested for a criminal act. SBC can terminate him on the spot. | |
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| |  Greg_ZPremium
join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | Sorry to say this, but interrupting telephone service in this way can fall under "Acts of Terrorism", and it now becomes a federal case because this person intended to cause due harm by not allowing emergency services to be contacted.
Union cannot do anything about it, due to it is a company matter. Unions are there to protect workers from compaines trying to overwork workers, and also they can cause more problems than it is worth (CWA is one of them).
Face it, the more people spout about a subject, the more political the thread becomes and then the nonsense comes about.
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| said by Hall:
They can't fire him.... They'd try, the employee (with 100% support from his union) would take the firing to arbitration, and he'd eventually get his job back. In some cases, he'd even get back-pay because obviously he shouldn't have been fired in the first place !!.
Nonsense.... this guy is not only fired, he's probably going to jail. I suspect you're just trying to invent a reason to bash Unions.
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| nonymousPremium
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ Reviews:
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| The union will represent him. That is their job. But he was well so out of line he will probably lose. The union also represents those with say a fmla case the company does not like or a short term disability the company just wants out. Heck the union would not like this. But they have to represent him.
But compared to this one that makes headlines how many disability or fmla or other things that are right does the union fight for that never make headlines?? | |
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| Unfortunately, Hall is right. Even if they do fire the employee, the union will get his job back; felony or no felony. I've seen this happen during other strikes. Unions may have served a purpose at one time, but now they're nothing but organized cliques; interested only in themselves and screw everyone else. I've worked in union shops and non-union, and it's true that you don't have to be any smarter than the dumbest person in the shop or work any harder than the laziest. Sometimes it's even a drawback if you do. I don't mean to imply that all union workers are useless, but wake up and smell the coffee; we're in a global economy. That employee needs to be terminated. | |
| | | HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: Goodbye I don't remember the exact details of this story, but I do remember this part:
A local union leader (president, vp, I don't recall) was charged with some crime that involved jail time. He was convicted of the crime and sentenced to jail... but, he was only 6 months away from retirement.
His lawyer requested that his jail sentence not start until he reached retirement age. Sadly, the judge granted it (I don't care about that part so much as long as he serves his time).
Now, where did he work for those next six months ?? His old job, of course !!! But he's a convicted criminal... Does that really matter (to a union) ??  | |
| | | | | said by lefty1:
Unfortunately, Hall is right. Even if they do fire the employee, the union will get his job back; felony or no felony.
Really? Then explain why a union did not save this employee her job.
She worked for the Maryland MVA (Motor Vehicle Administration.) Her boyfriend just killed a doctor of Greek decent (he was black.) She got his picture put on a dead man's license. Took a week but he was caught. She was confronted by police and in return for her testimony, she wouldn't be charged with anything. Well, she was fired. She demanded her job back. Union washed their hands of her and told her to take a hike since she committed a felony (accessory after the fact.) She was never charged but she did lose her job. The union, in this case, did care about its public image. | |
| | |  FLea973Premium
join:2001-02-27
Morristown, NJ | said by lefty1:
I've seen this happen during other strikes.
That is where this guy is screwed... they are not on strike yet. Activity of an employee, union or not, is a lot different than activity of a stiking employee in the eyes of the law. Hell, there is plenty of case law that protects strikers from prosecution AND firings for what joe-citizen would call acts of terrorism performed DURING a strike (just look at the nasty crap during the Greyhound strikes in the 80's - shootings, beating up replacements, damaging buses WITH passengers on it... passengers getting injured as a direct result of striker activity) sure the strikers got nailed for criminal activity is SOME of the cases.. but NONE of them could be fired for it.
Yes the union needs to put up the front to "protect" the guy, but if they do much more than just go through the motions and allow him to be terminated in a proper way, they damage their own position at the negotiations and in arbitration if it goes that far. | |
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| | | This guy admitted to removing more than 180 jumpers at 5 cross boxes. His original intent, or so he claims, was to remove what are known as CT's (jumpers in place where service has been disconnected due to a move etc) and not actually put anyone out of service. He screwed that part up and did put people out including an alarm circuit (this is what nailed him) and a school. When the alarm was disconnected it went off and logged the date and time, This was matched up with the GPS logs from the company vehicle he was driving at the time and he was busted! He has in fact been fired. The union has publicly denounced his actions and will probably NOT defend him. He was arrested and will be charged with a felony and with any luck will serve some time. It is illegal to mess with telephone company equipment (during a strike, before a strike, after a strike -- doesn't matter) and the penalty is even more when municipal lines (the school) are tampered with. | |
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join:2002-07-14
Portland, OR | SBC DSL sucking Im a SBC customer i love them but there DSL lately has been crap!
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| |  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: SBC DSL sucking And that opinion adds what to this news post? | |
| | | | What? How does this add to this post? And on top of that, just saying "...there (which should be "their") DSL lately has been crap!" doesn't really tell much.
Warren | |
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 AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | Check For The Union Label Well it's a good thing that union employees are more professional, you can only imagine what might have happened otherwise. | |
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 Lurch77Nope. But still a damn fine runPremium
join:2001-11-22
Oconto, WI
kudos:4 | Unions suck I am not a supporter of unions. I have seen unions strike, or at least raise concern over matters that should not be worth bothering about. It ends up costing jobs and money for both sides. Much of the time is hurts the people they are supposed to supporting. I also know many work places, where if you decided not to join the union, you are black listed, and a target for stupid stuff such as tires being slashed, ect. | |
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 jtudorXm 60's On 6 FreakPremium,MVM
join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC | Standare Operating Procedure? quote:
The Unions claim several employees have been fired for things managers are allowed to get away with.
Is that not standard operating procedure for all businesses, whether or not they are union? Sure seems that way to me as a worker bee.
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|  belawrenceThey'll never let you in
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Santee, CA
·Vonage
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| I've changed position I used to be very anti-union, until I started to work for the corporation I work for now. It all depends on the corporate culture of a given company. My company tries to get away with employee abuse even though we're union, so I couldn't imagine, at least at this company, not being unionized.
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|  drkkgtBooPremium
join:2003-08-26
Whittier, CA | To Union or not to Union Remember though, the original unions were by the workers for the workers, now it seems it's more a business who works for the business first, then the workers. However, as with anything in this lovely world of ours, there are good example of unions that actually fight for their people in an honorable way, then there are the rest of them. I'm all for strikes, but lets make sure that the one's who are truly affected are the ones you are stiking against.
Personally, I think this guy should be hung from a telephone pole (not necessarily nailed, just tied up) for a day.
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| | been there done that Yep, some people have NO scruples.
I watched this take very same scenario take place not too long ago.
It's amazing to me that this guy even graduated high school.
The real reason he was arrested is because of those "emergency" circuits that he inadvertently disconnected.
You know, the ones marked "E911".
Those circuits alone will bring the hot and heavy hand of the Patriot Act down on your head, should they be able to connect you to the act of disturbing those circuits.
Pity the fool....... | |
| | | One more reason Just one more reason not to do business with the telco monopolies. Got VoIP ?
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| clarkism
join:2002-01-27
San Francisco, CA | just wrong Its just wrong to inconvenience and take down random customer connection. | |
| | | Unions Granted there are bad unions, where corruption has run rampant. Theyre the exception, not the rule. On average, the unionized worker is paid roughly 30% more than their non-union counterparts.
The company I work for does its very damned best to keep wages low. Directors of departments are given bonuses based on keeping budget, and the biggest hit to budget is employee "compensation". The tech position I hold has not had its starting wage raised in over eight years. In spite of cost of living being almost double what it was since then. What can we do about it? Complain to the director is directly profiting by our wage staying low? Even should he decide to "go to bat" for us, he has to go through HR to get it raised, and they will be ineffective because theyre told to follow a corporate formulae.
We have other properties whos technicians are paid about 50% more than us. Theyre unionized. They also have strict guidelines about what and what is not their job duties, while HR recently expanded ours. And what can you do? Yes you can leave for a competitor, but the problem is they fix their wages at the same rate as each other and benefits are about the same. So your choice is to pay for education out of your own pocket to start a new field, give up years of experience and loyalty.
Also, the company has repeatedly shown hositility towards unionization of its workers and to date, the only properties that are unionized at all are ones that were bought that way. Our turnover rate is somewhere around 60% and were routinely understaffed. This has been going on for about 3 years now and yet nothing is done. Annual employee surveys always have the same number one complaint. Wages are too low. Yet the company ignores that and instead has picnics and "employee rallies" to try to raise morale because its cheaper.
Yes theres laws protecting workers against blatant abuse, but under capitalistic wage slavery they will never enact laws to protect your right to get fair compensation. That is what unions are for. Any non unionized worker can be told at anytime that theyre going to do more work for the same pay. And if your area has high unemployment, then you cant exactly threaten them with leaving. So forgive me if I have severe reservations believing the anti union sentiment. | |
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nonymousPremium
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Glendale, AZ Reviews:
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| strikes end Whatever you do during as strike afterwards you are working for the same managers, so play nice.
The old time managers that know what they are doing be friendly with.
Now the young ones right off the street that have never worked in the field a little fun harassment. You have how many jobs, where are you going. Well see you around midnight.
One strike taught some of the young managers being out in the field was not all about numbers and micro management. Gave them a lesson on what it is like.
It is not a hard job, or a bad job. But if you are taking garbage from upper management and not given support to do your job it can be a headache at times.
Every customer on say a repair does not fit in a one hour time limit. Some take less, some take more.
Even in my short time it has gone from go out do the repair or install, say hi to the customer and go on to the next job. If there is no access just go on to the next job.
Now call, before , during and after. Fill out forms. Try again for access if no access. Computer systems giving out work more like for package delivery than phone work. Pager going off reminding you of next commit time. But give good customer service.
They know more about me than I do. Where I am (gps), how fast I am going. How long each job takes, quality if a customer calls back in. The techs in another city are so much more productive than us. Everything is blamed on the tech. But our workload, the order we do it in etc. is up to the back offices and their management not us. We just keep adjusting to the ever changing rules of the game.
Still we keep repairing and installing those two little pots wires. Same job but different rules. | |
| | | | Re: strikes end What some of you guys are missing, is that this is the act of ONE guy - not the union.
Just because guys get hot under the collar and do unauthorized (by the union) things, it is NOT union sanctioned.
I will admit that some unions perform a bit of strong arm tactics, but not all of them.
When I was a member of the Boilermaker union, our representation was all about working conditions. On my first job, the union took over after a non union contractor botched a power plant job by hiring underqualified non-union people.
Some of the contractors remained non-union and the difference between the two groups were as different as night and day. The union guys had the right to say that working under certain conditions was unsafe, and not to work until the conditions were met (just standard OSHA stuff).
On the other hand, if one of the non union guys was told to walk some iron to pick up a hammer and he had no safety belt he would do so or lose his job.
Our welders would sometimes hold off on how many tubes they did per shift, but then again the expectations were in the contract. If they were paid to weld 2 tubes per hour, that is what they did. Should they have to do the job faster, when there is no incentive to? No - they were hired to do a certain task at a certain rate and did so. Anything faster than required simply went as a bonus to the project manager.
Even so, when we took the job, it was 3 months behind schedule. We completed several months ahead of schedule, several thousand dollars under budget, and no major job related injurys or deaths.
Our credo was an honest days labor for an honest days pay. The union and the customer negotiated what was acceptable performance, and that is what we provided and exceeded.
Maybe not all unions are like that, but maybe more are than you bashers realise.
Regardless, maybe we do need some type of employee protection - I am getting tired of seeing IT co-workers laid off and replaced by Indian contractors. | |
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2 edits | Re: strikes end HOW TO READ THIS CHART: Most members of Congress get the bulk of their campaign contributions from two main sources: the industries that make up the economic base of their home district and the Washington-based interest groups that pay more attention to the member's committee assignments in Congress. In addition, most Democrats receive substantial sums from labor union
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| | | | | | Re: strikes end Pretty unusual selection. Try adding a few high profile, senior (R). | |
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| | | said by nonymous:
Whatever you do during as strike afterwards you are working for the same managers, so play nice.
The old time managers that know what they are doing be friendly with.
Now the young ones right off the street that have never worked in the field a little fun harassment. You have how many jobs, where are you going. Well see you around midnight.
One strike taught some of the young managers being out in the field was not all about numbers and micro management. Gave them a lesson on what it is like.
It is not a hard job, or a bad job. But if you are taking garbage from upper management and not given support to do your job it can be a headache at times.
Every customer on say a repair does not fit in a one hour time limit. Some take less, some take more.
Even in my short time it has gone from go out do the repair or install, say hi to the customer and go on to the next job. If there is no access just go on to the next job.
Now call, before , during and after. Fill out forms. Try again for access if no access. Computer systems giving out work more like for package delivery than phone work. Pager going off reminding you of next commit time. But give good customer service.
They know more about me than I do. Where I am (gps), how fast I am going. How long each job takes, quality if a customer calls back in. The techs in another city are so much more productive than us. Everything is blamed on the tech. But our workload, the order we do it in etc. is up to the back offices and their management not us. We just keep adjusting to the ever changing rules of the game.
Still we keep repairing and installing those two little pots wires. Same job but different rules.
You must work for SBC!!!! | |
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join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ Reviews:
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| yep you all are gods you have your masters degree, you run your own business. you hire Chinese labor or send tech support to India. never hit you as you are the greatest. unions bad.
you management in a small construction company, pick up day labor on a street corner. you are doing great.
you are a big company send jobs to India or china you are the greatest.
heck, bush loves this.
you all fought the way to the top to treat others as crap. | |
| | | | Re: yep you all are gods Yep and when no one can aford to buy anything anymore everyone loses. | |
| | nonymousPremium
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ | so buy made in china see where your salary goes. | |
| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| said by nonymous:
you have your masters degree, you run your own business. you hire Chinese labor or send tech support to India. never hit you as you are the greatest. unions bad.
you management in a small construction company, pick up day labor on a street corner. you are doing great.
you are a big company send jobs to India or china you are the greatest.
heck, bush loves this.
you all fought the way to the top to treat others as crap.
Welcome to the new U.S.A. Bow down in the temple of the Almighty Dollar.
Starting to suck, isn't. The Middle Class is making the Rich Richer, and carrying the Poor, and in return they are getting kicked in the head by both....
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join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
kudos:1 | There are right ways and wrong ways To accomplish goals...
This was clearly a wrong one... wrongfully damaging/inconveniencing the customer for employee self purposes.
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| | |  Just the facts...
evil b@$|^&ds innocent [yeah right] corporate fat-cats are doing.
I'm a member of a union for service workers. The purpose of a union is to get the benefits due to a worker to be given to the worker. I'm not defending what the employee did or what the company did/is doing, but simply trying to point out a fact: there is a problem that the employees are seeing with the company, they consulted the union, the union voted to strike if the concessions aren't met. Meanwhile, a worker, on his own initiative, committed a crime.
Ergo, eta sum. Two distinct issues. There's probably a valid issue with the workers and an employee broke the law. | |
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