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6Mbps Roadrunner
Execs confirm four trial locations
by Karl Bode 01:48PM Monday May 10 2004
Time Warner executives, speaking to CED Magazine, confirm our industry first report that the company is testing 6Mbps tiers in several markets. In addition to trials in Cincinnati and San Antonio, the company is also conducting trials in both Rochester, New York, and Columbus, Ohio. Executives for the company still remain quiet as to how long the trials will last, or if they'll be making the 6Mbps, $70 tier (if bundled with cable) a nationwide offering. "We are currently evaluating results," says Time Warner Cable spokesman Keith Cocozza.

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FLECOM
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Miami, FL

oh woe is DSL

you know, 1.5mbits seems slower and slower every day
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Flizesh
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United State

don't care

70 bucks is way too much

Stewy85
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Re: don't care

Well 70 bucks isn't too much in my eye if that includes the tv part.
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hotshot13

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Webster, NY

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Re: don't care

Love the speeds but 2 much...Maybe if we were given more upload say 768 for say 59 then im IN
snkeyes3

join:2003-09-23
I'd assume $70 is for Time Warner cable-TV customers. It's probably $80 for non-cable-TV households (people who use a dish or rabbit-ears).

This is on top of your regular cable bill.

tiger72
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Re: don't care

that depends on your location. for example here in KC the rate is the same whether you have cable tv or not.
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yock
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It does not include television services. The $70 is on top of a minimum of $47.95 a month for the basic digital cable package.

outspoken72
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IF you care about TV at all, this is a terrific price.

BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA

Re: don't care

don't care TV SUCKS 60` 70` 80` TV was the best and it was free NO fee!

yock
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If the upload got a significant upgrade, I'd probably agree with you. The upload, however, only got a measly 128k upgrade to 512k. For $70 a month, I sure as hell expect more than that, of course, for $70 a month I'd expect to be given some leeway on my TOS regarding running services off of my connection. We get neither, so they'll not be getting any more than my $44.95 for RR.
hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH
that pricing is $70 WITHOUT cable tv in Cinci, Ohio. and $65 WITH tv.

Call the areas that have it and ask them how much they actually charge.

BroadBand BackWater

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I am living in an AllTel broadband backwater and I am paying $49/month for 768. $70 for 6 mb is a bargain to me. Count your blessings.

maartena
Elmo
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Orange, CA
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It is. I don't see any purpose that currently needs a 6 Mbps connection, unless you are a download freak. And even then 3 Mbps is usually more then accurate.

The 128 kbit/s increase in upload speed is way too little to warrant such an upgrade.

I'd be more willing if it was something like 6 Mbit/s down and 1 Mbit/s up, as I want to use a streaming camera to keep in touch with family in Europe - who all have fast broadband as well.

Personally, I think we are stuck with --
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH

Re: don't care

I like the current speed that I get and its fast enough. Although I know I fit their heavy user requirements as Tier 3 told me here in WOH. I will prolly sign up for the promotion. Hopefully they 6Mb will have its own TOS and AUP and allow servers. Even though there are people that run them and just don't get caught.

atuarre
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Conroe, TX
70 bucks is not much at all. I'm paying 185 bucks a month to get 3megabits down and 256k up with Cox in this area (Louisiana). Trust me, 70 bucks is not a lot. They have a 3 megs down 1 meg up plan, but its like 570 bucks. When I look at how much others are spending for the same thing, it sickens me, but it is because of this area. I think different Cox customers in different areas pay different amounts.

Jason Levine
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Lower prices, not higher speed

While a 6Mbps connection sounds nice, I'd rather see a lower-priced 1.5Mbps connection available for a lower price. Since 3Mbps is $45 and 6Mbps is $70, how about $25 for 1.5Mbps? While I need faster-than-dial-up speeds, I find that I don't utilize my 3Mbps connection and would rather pay less for a slower (yet still faster-than-dial-up) connection.

In addition, I'm sure a $25 broadband option would attract those who are still on dial-up and are reluctant to spend so much more for broadband.
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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Lower prices, not higher speed

I believe broadband is like hard drives. Looking at the price of a new 120GB drive, you should be able to buy a 10GB hard drive for $20 but you can't. There's a minimum sustainable price. The same has to exist for broadband, regardless of speed.

I don't know if we'll see significantly cheaper prices than $25/month. However, I think that's a fair price for an always on, many-times-faster than dialup connection -- provided it's not narrowband 256/128.

Regarding 6Mbps service, who downloads this much information? Is it movie-swappers that need all this bandwidth? I certainly won't turn down more bandwidth for the same price but if the effort is to increase the bandwidth so that they can increase the price, let me keep what I have. 2Mbps is plenty for me.

This smells like Dish Network back in the late 90s. They eliminated the plan I had for around $25/month. They created a "new bundle" and my bill went to $30/month. Charlie Ergen still claimed no price increase in his cable-bashing commercials because they kept the entry-level plan at $19/month. However, a lot of people got stuck with an increase.

I read that dairies are doing the same with ice cream. Rather than raise the price, they are decreasing the size of the container.

Recall when McDonalds had a "have it your way" build-a-combo-meal campaign. All they did is eliminate the $2.99 BigMac combo meal by picking from a $1 menu and building a "custom" combo. After everyone forgot the old combo prices, they eliminated the build-your-own deal and the BigMac combo returned with a significant price increase.
nl4jy

join:2002-05-02
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Lower prices, not higher speed

You mean the 2 cheeseburger meal combo for $2.99 instead of the Bigmac...

I never remember Bigmac was ever on the $1 menu.

But BOT... $70 is way too much especially this is not a garantee speed....I have TW cable internet and you can't believe how many times I had to reset my modem on some days... And they expect me to pay $70 for it?!?

I don't mind paying a little more is service would improve 1000%.
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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Lower prices, not higher speed

The 2004 Forbes metro ranking pegged NYC as the most expensive place to do business.

»www.forbes.com/bestplaces/2004/0···and.html

Therefore you're probably right. A BigMac meal was never $2.99 where you live.

I didn't mean to say that BigMac was on the $1 menu. Merely that the dollar menu and "build it your way" campaign made us look at combo meal prices in a different way. While we were distracted, they raised prices.

I think that's why the cable companies keep raising speeds. They don't really want a price war with the telephone companies. This has the potential to reduce gross revenue which is always bad signal to investors.

If the keep gross revenues the same, renegotiate contracts with their backbone providers, they can probably increase subscriber speeds, provide the appearance of costing more but giving more and come out in a win-win situation. The problem is, how fast can they go and will these increased speeds be realized by the average user.

What about sites? Can they sustain 6Mbps download to a single subscriber during peak peariods?

DrTCP
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said by rradina:
I read that dairies are doing the same with ice cream. Rather than raise the price, they are decreasing the size of the container.
Canned coffee manufacturers are doing better. They keep the container size but reduce the contents.

inteller
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK

hey, almost enough for TV and VoIP

get it up to the 10mb range for real VoIP and TV AT THE SAME TIME.....

...you might be able to do it now with 6Mb if there is good QoS policing in place.
buddasahn

join:2000-11-27
Brecksville, OH

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Nothing more than doubling of d/l speed?!?!?!?

If it's nothing more than twice the d/l speed that I get now and nothing else...(3mbs down - 384k up)...then I AIN'T interested. Now if we're talking increased upstream (say 1mbs) as well as removing the server hosting stipulation in the T.O.S...and better retention in the newsgroups.....for $70 I may be a bit more interested.

BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA

Re: Nothing more than doubling of d/l speed?!?!?!?

That why I do not buy a car likes a Ferrari and you only can drive it 60 mph a car like that will do over 200mph:(
agroeber

join:2002-12-09
Woodstock, GA

Re: Nothing more than doubling of d/l speed?!?!?!?

Well i don't know about you but i'm not one to have the power and not use it. In my case my car has hit 162mph on the highway yet i'm still limited by my ifitil connection at 1.5mbps! THANKS BELLSOUTH YOU BASTARDS! I'll take all the speed you can give me! BRING IT ON BABY!

MrMaster
jetsetter
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St Thomas, VI
I have to agree. 6 down would be nice but I don't max out my 3 down. I would pay $70 for a 1 upload but not 6 download.
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hescominsoon

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Brunswick, MD

Re: Nothing more than doubling of d/l speed?!?!?!?

I like my vz dsl and since they are upping to 384 on the base package..this suits my needs fine..
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tiger72
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said by buddasahn:
If it's nothing more than twice the d/l speed that I get now and nothing else...(3mbs down - 384k up)...then I AIN'T interested. Now if we're talking increased upstream (say 1mbs) as well as removing the server hosting stipulation in the T.O.S...and better retention in the newsgroups.....for $70 I may be a bit more interested.

upload is 512kbps and the TOS hasn't had the "no servers" clause for a couple of months.
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tigers

join:2001-01-14
Irmo, SC

Earthlink over TW

Wonder what the implications (if any) are for those of us that are using Earthlink Cable Internet over Time Warner.

EL passed along the the recent 3 megabit upgrade, though there was no additional cost associated with that.

I wonder what their pricing structure will be for a theoretical 6 meg upgrade. Hopefully not $65 or $70/month.
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH

Re: Earthlink over TW

Currently the only ISP that is offering the upgrade service speeds is RoadRunner and they are only going to be for heavy users for a while from what Cinci Ohio has said.

That is why no website is made available with the speeds and prices at this time. When you call in you are also not informed of the new speeds unless you have the Promo code off the email that you were given. Also Cinci said they keep track of who gets the emails and who doesn't.

tigers

join:2001-01-14
Irmo, SC

Re: Earthlink over TW

said by hottboiinnc:
Currently the only ISP that is offering the upgrade service speeds is RoadRunner and they are only going to be for heavy users for a while from what Cinci Ohio has said.

That is why no website is made available with the speeds and prices at this time. When you call in you are also not informed of the new speeds unless you have the Promo code off the email that you were given. Also Cinci said they keep track of who gets the emails and who doesn't.

Understood. I was just thinking about this from a point further down the road if/when this becomes a standard offering from RR. I would think EL would be compelled to offer this 6 meg package as well, but the price is the question.
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hottboiinnc
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The price would like to be seen. But I think that this will be only a package that TWC will allow RR to offer. Since the package is only going to be for heavy users.

However nobody has stated how they define a heavy user just besides that they look at your used bandwidth to and from your modem before they send you the e-mail telling you that you can now upgrade.

If thats the case RR will be gaining a lot of the customers back from Earthlink. However if thats the case there Earthlink or some other large ISP could allow customers to "port" their email address to another ISP or pay a small fee per year just to have their e-mail address. I know of one ISP that allows that and its Toast.net out of Toledo Ohio.

This will be interesting to see. RoadRunner told me that WOH is the next in Ohio to see this service then NEO.

Marky D at work

@69.149.x.x

nice

still seems overpriced, though.

Rock Guitar

join:2001-01-17
Columbus, OH

Speed Isn't Everything

Intel has learned that increased chip speed doesn't mean alot anymore and that other features give more value to the product. i.e. less heat, more cache, dual core, etc.

What else is RR offering? Isn't 3Mbps enough for web surfing? Are they wanting to sell movies-on-demand over the internet and they need us to pay for higher speeds first? I don't get it.

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Good Ol Dan

join:2000-05-15
Naples, FL

Higher speed, same crappy performance


Sounds like it will just be a faster pipe (at least at non-peak hours) to a backbone with the same old packet loss and high latency.

D

tiger72
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Re: Higher speed, same crappy performance

said by Good Ol Dan:

Sounds like it will just be a faster pipe (at least at non-peak hours) to a backbone with the same old packet loss and high latency.

D

that depends on where you are i guess. I get fine latency (20-30 to dallas/chicago) and packet loss (0%).
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