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join:2004-04-15
Hollister, CA
clubs: | Come on first get DSL out here lol | |
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QUICKSILV3R
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join:2002-01-21
San Antonio, TX
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The Guru
join:2001-05-01
Elmhurst, NY
| Fat chance in comparison when AT&T migrated to GSM, the change was supposed to be completed (altogether) by 2001. We know that didn't happen and I know that this won't happen.
There is just not enough motivation in the markets right now.
20Mbps? please!. whats it supposed to cost? $20K (per year maybe). If 3Mbps costs about $40 (avg of dsl getting around 30 bucks and cable around 50), chances are prices won't be fallin to make room for 20mbps.
besides it probably won't be for "end user" by any means. Personally no end user will need this? give me one good reason. and no downloading DVDs is not a good reason and is means to cause more piracy.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
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| Re: Fat chance It looks like a tit-for-tat slow-crawl to higher speeds -- as is happening now with the cable cos. speeding-up to catch the latest DSL speeds. At this rate it looks like incremental speed wars every couple 'o years might get us up to 20mbs in maybe 6-8 years.
I started out on DSL in 1999 at 768kbs -- @Home was 3mbs -- Cable slowed us down to 1.5bs -- DSL now leads at 6mbs -- with Cable starting to match it. About a 6X speed increase over a 5 year period. | |
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SpitefulCrow
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| Re: Fat chance Except that cable can continue to go higher when current ADSL is going to stop at 8Mbit/1Mbit.
I am not an expert on the various types of head-end equipment for xDSL or cable, but I'm guessing it's easier to split nodes to increase available bandwidth for all the users than it is to replace all of the headend equipment on a DSL system. 
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whamel
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join:2002-05-09
Clarendon Hills, IL | Re: Come on what would you do with 20 mbps, I wouldnt know what to do with such bandwith.
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75FPS
@verizon.net | Re: Come on Well, I would be able to work from home, editing digital audio. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by QUICKSILV3R  :
wow 20Mbps thats nice!
I can see it now. 20480/128
yawn
enough with download rates already. most know that realworld usage tops out around 2mbps. GIVE US MORE UPLOAD!
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| | attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA | I don't need 20mbps download with crap 512kbps-1mbps upload. instead, give us 2mb/2mb or 3mb/3mb for a lot less.. I find that the connection is limited by the uploads regardless of download cap, so until then this is all but maketing bs. | |
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| abunai
join:2002-06-25
Bountiful, UT
| I moved to Okinawa about a year ago. I have a 12 Mbs ADSL line costing me $50 a month. A co-worker has a 100 Mbs B-flets fiber optic line for $85/month. His phone service is voip. Another co-worker just had his 45 Mbs ADSL line activated at his place and he is paying $41/month and his phone service is voip. His phone rates back to the states are less than 2 cents per minute. Granted the telecom infrastructure is alot smaller here and easier to upgrade but the technology exists. 20 Mbs isn't a dream. Here's a couple links to verify these figures:
»www.bbapply.com/
»bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/index_service.html
»flets.com/ (in Japanese)
»www.fad-tech.com/ | |
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
VIP
join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI | 2 years? I don't see this happening. I think even Bush's goal to get EVERYONE broadband by 2007, is a stretch, let alone 20Mbps in 2 years
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Sly
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Johnson City, TN
clubs: | blaah Sounds like they are only trying to get people to stick with them for a little while longer while they use this "news" to get free publicity on their almost obsolete technology. | |
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | Re: blaah 20Mbps DOWNLOAD 125 kbps up | |
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: blaah Had a good laugh at that one...:) | |
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DivineDark
join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
| Profit holding back advances I thought once upon a time we were the innovative country that would let nothing stand in the way technological advances. First in flight, Computers, Men on the moon. With things like this it is no wonder why we are being surpassed by Many other countries. | |
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| gpancner
join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | Re: Profit holding back advances And you probably work for free? Doubt it! | |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Re: Profit holding back advances said by gpancner :
And you probably work for free? Doubt it!
And this is relevant to the previous comment because....
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | Yeah...lets go to Mars and forget about what's needed here! | |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON | Re: Profit holding back advances See you there, Major Tom.
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| IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| I believe that Nortel is embracing change to ADSL2 & ADSL2+
These Standards were approved over a year ago and chipsets have been developed and are being offered to the Baby Bells as we speak. With the drop in costs of implementing technology the business viability of this form of DSL is probably much better than what the Baby Bells offer now. Better reach, higher speeds, more products to be sold down the channels.
Here is a link to more info.
»www.aware.com/products/dsl/adsl2plus.htm | |
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | Needs an about face There are some Broadband offerings, around the country, which meter the gigs used and bump users onto higher prices for "heavy" usage. So for a much faster broadband to gain acceptance these business plans will have to be completely changed. | |
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CheeseWare
Premium
join:2003-04-24
Burnaby, BC | EMI issues on fast DSL Was copper intended to ever be clocked that fast? | |
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| DSLrgm
Premium,MVM
join:2002-08-22
Oak Park, MI
| Re: EMI issues on fast DSL said by CheeseWare :
Was copper intended to ever be clocked that fast?
xDSL can do OC1 (54Mb) over copper up to 1000'.
You put the DSAM in the neighborhood wiring box (with fiber back to the CO) and then OC1 to the homes.
I am only 700' from our wiring box, and SBC replaced the 50 year old copper 2 years ago, so I can dream.... | |
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CheeseWare
Premium
join:2003-04-24
Burnaby, BC
| Re: EMI issues on fast DSL said by DSLrgm :
xDSL can do OC1 (54Mb) over copper up to 1000'.
Is this clean EMI-wise? I remain highly sceptical. | |
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| DirtyMic
join:2003-11-19
Pompano Beach, FL | no they are referring switching to fiber facilities | |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON | Not the type of cable you have in the walls at home. But - the telephone companies can get around it with new wiring up to the premise,.. most likely heavily shielded copper. | |
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CheeseWare
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join:2003-04-24
Burnaby, BC | Re: EMI issues on fast DSL Does not sound practical. If you are going to rewire, you may as well rewire to fiber or just go next gen wireless LAN. | |
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DSLrgm
Premium,MVM
join:2002-08-22
Oak Park, MI | Axes to grind Cook has had a long time axe to grind with congress.
Just about anything involving Congress and business is 'an unholy alliance' to him.
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Why bother with Video over broadband? Are there not enough delivery platforms for which Video can be delivered in a safe, economical manner? I think its asinine to expect TCP to deliver video entertainment unless that entertainment is of such a low bitrate that you can accomodate TCP/WAN overhead, retransmissions, buildout WAN networks 25-fold (from a capacity standpoint), etc.
And what consumer is going to pay for a +20 Mbps pipe to there home? I bet the cost to the consumer would be in excess of $100/month, which is a far cry from more traditional delivery systems (DBS, Cable, etc.).
I think Nortel is smoking dope and trying to convince the clueless exec suits at telco's they need Nortel products. If I want Mexican food I'll go to Taco Hell and not McDonalds, thank you! | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Only Cable Can Well since Cable doesnt have those pesky regulatory problems, i guess we will see it on cable sooner. i would be totally happy with 10/5 M | |
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Jaffa Kree
Premium
join:2001-12-27
Holmen, WI
clubs: | Re: Only Cable Can Yeah, now we can get to the invisible bandwidth meter line 20 times faster!~!! | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Re: Only Cable Can LOL | |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Bye Bye Bells With a negative growth rate for newer technology infrastructure in the Bell local loops compared to the Cable Companies, the Bells will loose too much market share and be out of business in 10 or 20 years.
If you can't compete you must retreat! | |
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join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ | First let get every1 DSL Before we start worrying about 20 mbps which wont be useful for at least 5-10 years how about we get every1 DSL | |
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oldTDNickell
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join:2000-12-19
Federal Way, WA | Re: First let get every1 DSL Yes.....After all these years i still can't get DSL.:( | |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
| Sure sure and I got a bridge to sell. Here in the mid Atlantic states there is a Clec (Cavalier) trying to deploy ADSL2 technology and apparently it's not in every area they suppose to serve. In other words very few seem to be happy campers. I don't understand the deployment process but it's so slow with them and every time I read on DSLreports oh this company got the concept for faster DSL bla bla bla I just have to chuckle. You COMPANIES and your ideas, put something to practice today not in a few years. Hello, do you read me, companies. | |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | 3xADSL As it stands I have clients that have 21MBPS DSL (3.3 mb up) on an Aggregated network, a bit pricey though having to pay cost X 3, LOL! | |
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fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
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| Probably in about 5 years.... I think at the rate higher bandwidth content is going on-line (TV Shows, Full Movies, etc), we will see 20Mbps DSL within the next 5 years.
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Useless 90% of people wont need it. Add substance, newsgroups unlimited and unrestricted and mp3 streaming and stuff then people will bite.
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aeagle
join:2004-03-03
Schenectady, NY | Package will look like this....... For Comcast users: 20MB/386K up how nice!!
Now u will hit your "unlimited" bandwitch caps 20 times faster and we will mail u the letter 20 times faster that speed of sound. | |
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join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ | Re: Package will look like this....... stop complaining about bandwith caps | |
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jturel
join:2003-03-22
Hampstead, NC
| 20MBPS = Too much? If you people think that 20 mbps is "too much" or you "wouldn't know what to do with it" then you clearly have been living under a rock. That same principle was once applied to processors and RAM. You're probably glad that developers didn't stop at those blazing 66mhz when that was an ungodly processing speed and 256k of RAM was enough storage to last anyone a lifetime. Get with the times, brother. | |
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| attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: 20MBPS = Too much? said by jturel :
If you people think that 20 mbps is "too much" or you "wouldn't know what to do with it" then you clearly have been living under a rock. That same principle was once applied to processors and RAM. You're probably glad that developers didn't stop at those blazing 66mhz when that was an ungodly processing speed and 256k of RAM was enough storage to last anyone a lifetime. Get with the times, brother.
living under a rock? lol, more like in the stone age. | |
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join:2003-03-22
Hampstead, NC | Re: BS, come on. with this, i agree | |
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join:2001-05-14
San Luis Obispo, CA
1 edit | Re: BS, come on. I like this line I saw in the advertismnet for 45mbps DSL in Japan.
"45 Mbps "Best Effort" internet access (up to nearly 800 times faster than dial-up)**"
Lol
I think that we will see 20mbps in the next 5 years. You guys keep saying that we won't need 20mbps it but I think you are all wrong and we probably will benifit from it in the next 10 years. Just think, what would people back in the 80's think of the computers that we have today... | |
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bigdaddy17
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL | Frist get us above the berrior! First get us above 1.5mbps.. then we can work on 2
..and who gives a rats ass about Japan.. their industry is the pokemon card industry. | |
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cubedude
join:2003-08-11
Katy, TX | Fiber installation I currently am seeing a lot of trucks from CableCom and Pacific Utilities Construction around my town installing very thick wiring. Can be incredibly optimistic and hope its fiber, or is that too naive? | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
1 edit | Re: Fiber installation the fibers themselves are thin. they reside within a much thicker sheath cable which is prolly what they were hanging.
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | he's just tryin' to sell the equipment that his company is developing or may have developed already. he doesnt want to be stuck with a warehouse full of obsolete stuff.
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join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ | Re: he's just tryin' to sell the equipment Fiber is increadibly thin. not thick | |
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BS, come on.