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Brooklyn, NY | 3Mbps Would make things a lot better. But, do we really need it? Yes  | |
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join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ | Re: 3Mbps I wonder if they will bump up the upload from the now 384 amount to something larger...I suspect Verizon won't be as quick to do that, since it will lead people to start using their connections for FTP and other servers...
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| The competition will be welcomed Here in Hampton Roads, VA the competition to Cox HSI will be nice.
I'm in the BBr|UT clan and our first match last night I decided to play the first match with Cox. I dropped out of the game three times, one of which most likely was the cause of a loss. The second and third games I used my 1.5/192 Verizon DSL connection with no problems at all.
Bring it on Verizon.
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| CPMBroadband, DSL, cable
join:2001-08-24
Brooklyn, NY | Re: The competition will be welcomed I know I have verizon as well. And my pings are always in the low 10 to 12. I love verizon. Been a verizon customer since 2001 and my first on line game i first bought was Rainbow Six the original.
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|  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by Lumberjack:
Bring it on Verizon.
Make sure they don't move your CO
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Land O Lakes, FL | Re: The competition will be welcomed I don't understand why they have to "test" it. Either it works or it doesn't. Unless I am wrong, the CLECs use the same DSLAM. In my area I qualify for the CLECs extreme packages 7.1 x 768, yet Verizon still only offers the standard crap. I am about half a mile from the Next Generation RT.
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join:2000-03-23
Indiana, PA
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| Re: The competition will be welcomed Hey thanks for the info; maybe I'll be able to qualify for other provider's packages that are better than Verizon's. Of course you're probably under 15k from the CO; in that case I can only dream of faster speeds. I'm guessing they want to try and get things right the first time before going ahead with the real thing; as we all know the smallest of bugs could be missed even after numerous tests.
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I don't understand why they have to "test" it. Either it works or it doesn't. Unless I am wrong, the CLECs use the same DSLAM. In my area I qualify for the CLECs extreme packages 7.1 x 768, yet Verizon still only offers the standard crap. I am about half a mile from the Next Generation RT.
Isn't it kind of like having a series of meetings over a period of weeks to plan an ass scratch?
dude,
you are wrong about the clecs and vz sharing the same dslam. that would be a provisioning nightmare and a conflict of interest. vz would have access to clec dsl ports and vice versa... no way. those circuits are completely separate as per fcc rules. i am a field tech for a clec. we do not use the same dslam as vz. vz has it's own. the clec's have their own. the clec's eq is located in the 'colocation' area of the vz co. that area is entirely separate of the vz dsl eq and facilities. i know, i built some of these 'colo' facilities and installed alcatel asam 7300 series dslams in a few vz co's b4 vz laid me off in dec '02. i was a central office equipment installer at the time.
you are 100% correct about the planning to have an ass scratch... that's standard procedure in the telecom world; no matter whether it's a clec or a an ilec.  | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by EnzonE:
I'll believe it when I see it Verizon, just like with the fiber 
Unless Verizon buys out Metumucil, I don't think we're going to see any fiber out of them in PA. But if the rumors are true that Verizon is going to offer DSL without requiring telegraph service, I might seriously consider it. Now I just need to wonder if I'm one of those lucky few in this state who can get DSL lol.
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Huntington Beach, CA |  Raised uploads new trials free goodies price cuts
Meanwhile on my other WAN port...Comcrap...never ending price increases, my ex-Mediaone upload cut, and useless usenet servers. You would think with expanding DSL deployment customer abusing tyrants like Comcrap would be put in check. Of course they have responded to some competition, namely DBS by instituting the $14 how dare you not want our crappy CATV service penalty should you want DirecTV or DN and Comcrap HSI, and instead of cutting HSI pricing, they bumped up download speed while continuing to send out nasty letters to those who would try and use it, refusing to say what the invisible caps are.
SBC and Verzion are headed in the right direction, and their profits show that it's not charity. Companies like Comcrap should take a lesson.
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| pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Raised uploads new trials free goodies price cuts said by GNXPower:
SBC and Verzion are headed in the right direction, and their profits show that it's not charity. Companies like Comcrap should take a lesson.
You might be able to speak for SBC but I can assure that Verizon is the one that has a lot to learn. They still have not expanded any of their DSL service areas one iota. They also have no plans on doing so. Comcast, on the other hand, has been making broadband available to its customers for years now, whereas Verizon still offers most of its customers nothing.
I'm taking the same view of another poster who mentioned this whole discussion is based on speculation. In my own experience, Verizon always talks big but never delivers. I won't be surprised when this speed increase fails to materialize.
I used to joke that Baghdad would get DSL service before most of my friends and myself in PA do... the scary part was that after talking to one of our troops there, I was correct.
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2 edits | Re: Raised uploads new trials free goodies price cuts Well, seeing as before Oct 03 I was 60,000ft of copper from the CO...VZ sure seems to be deploying RTs here.
Meanwhile the Comcast forum is FULL of people complaining of ONGOING problems (eg Chicagoland area) that Comcast won't fix.
As far as I have personally experienced this is what has been truth, not speculation.
Verizon cut my rate from $50 to $35, then to $30.
Verizon double my throughput from an abismal 768/128, to 1500/128, then to 1500/384.
Verizon started offering me MSN 9 Premium at No Charge
Free MLB, free McAfee blah blah all included with MSN 9.
Verizon has maintained it's news servers.
Verizon now moving to eliminate bundling requirements (while Comcast increases bundling requirements).
Verizon has changed it's distance qualification requirements expanding significantly the number of potential subscribers as well as those qualifying for 1.5Mb service via DSL.
Verizon now promotes zero networking restrictions.
Verizon offers FREE modems with their service, while Comcast charges for theirs...and if it doesn't work it's a $50 truckroll to TS it.
Verizon has zero install fee, Comcrap now charges $35.
As I'm not an SBC sub, I can only go by what my friend's experienced a little up north from me. SBC deployed multiple RTs expanding service. They cut their prices to the cheapest DSL around. They offer 3-6Mb service on the cheap. 1.5Mb service is just over 1/2 the cost of Comcrap.
Meanwhile...
Comcast increased my video rates 20% over 12 months with ZERO increase in programming
Comcast cut my ATTBi/MediaOne HSI upload speeds 15%.
Comcast instituted a 32% penalty for HSI customers that don't subscribe to CATV
Rather than face DSL on price, they increase download speeds, yay...all while sending out letters to those who violate magical invisible caps...which Comcast STILL refuses to say what they are.
Comcast continues to let ATTBi news servers wither while not offering an alternative (1GB from giganews is worthless).
Comcast now starting to charge those who OWN their modem the modem lease fee...now calling the lease payment we weren't paying because we own our modems a "discount" for owning our modems. Of course to this day, their Los Angeles pages show the $3 per month charge not as a discount but as a LEASE fee.
Comcast drops premium CATV programming from analog tiers forcing those subs to go digital...if they flee to DBS...they get a 32% penalty on their HSI bills.
As I see it...Verizon and SBC...here anyway are headed in the right direction, while nationwide Comcast is on an anti-consumer crusade of price increases and cuts in service.
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join:2001-02-26
Cave Creek, AZ | Hey if it doesn't materialize I'll be disappointed. I have both COMCAST (for home) and a DSL line provided by my employer so I can work at home. My Verizon DSL line is slower but far more reliable and MSN premium makes it a real value. MSN premium supplies McAfee virus, firewall and MLB TV, etc. COMCAST finally broke down and provides McAfee but my guess is they only did that in an effort to reduce phone calls from neophytes who can't manage their machines.
In any event, if Verizon does match COMCAST speeds, I'll drop COMCAST like nuclear waste, add another phone line and put a second DSL connection in. The cost will be the same and the extra phone line will come for free. | |
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| | | Re: Can they really do this? You should ask tech support to inquire whether or not there's been a line tech out in that area doing any work on your loop.. It could be someone added a bridge tap or reworked the loop | |
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The phone support SWEARS we are getting the bandwith but the speed tests on verizon have NEVER shown more than 3MB but the tests here have shown over 6MB.
The STRANGE thing is the ONLY thing that changed from when I upgraded from residential to bus was just that. I had more reliable service from the residential package.
I would be ok if I was just paying $30 and it was a little flaky but I'm paying over 200 and that demands a little more snap to.
BTW the service is running at 6MB right now... (aww darn I jinxed it) I'll keep testing to see how reliable it is... | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Isn't that 'cause of a ton of ATM overhead? SBC users don't get anywhere near their caps either. Heck, I'm provisioned at 1792/160 and only get 1280-1300/138. As a percentage, it's about the same.
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Here are some of my results...
2004-06-04 09:55:10 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 2817/700 kbps
2004-06-04 09:51:00 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 913/699 kbps
2004-06-04 09:48:54 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 634/700 kbps
2004-06-04 09:48:16 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 675/680 kbps
2004-06-03 20:44:32 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 6338/702 kbps
2004-06-03 10:25:38 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 2272/1129 kbps
2004-06-03 10:25:08 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 1265/714 kbps
2004-06-03 10:12:02 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 3788/708 kbps
2004-06-03 08:41:16 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 6141/715 kbps
2004-06-02 20:56:21 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 5145/721 kbps
One of the techs said it could be rain. But it sped up during a downpour. Go figure...
Maybe things will settle out in a bit. Also note that I have never gotten over 3800kbs on their(verizons) speed test ever. | |
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| | | | | Re: Can they really do this? The results are consistent for several sites and the verizon tests they provide were more dismal.
Now verizons test is up to 5m consistently (more than 1 test) and over 6000 for this one... I had my connection go out for about 10 minutes a little bit ago? Maybe they tweaked it?
I really don't care I wish that they could do more than read scripts and send out tech's on a no dial tone call...
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1 edit | Sweet I cant wait to dump comcrap Yes now if they could only offer true naked DSL we would be all set!:p | |
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Cave Creek, AZ | Re: Sweet I cant wait to dump comcrap COMCRAP... I like it! Very appropriate... | |
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join:2003-10-11
Temple, NH | But what will the loop length be... Anyone got an inside scoop on what loop lengths will be accepted when this rolls out?
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Anyone got an inside scoop on what loop lengths will be accepted when this rolls out?
Mine will.
The subject:
Verizon's mysterious residence telekenisies.
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join:2004-07-22
Cornelius, NC | Westell 6100 vs 2100 and Bellsouth
Is there a way to get into the "hidden" configuration options so I can see what's there?
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