Verizon 3Mbps - Internal trials ongoing

Verizon 3Mbps
Internal trials ongoing
(old news - 09:50AM Friday Jun 04 2004)
tags: dsl · bandwidth · telco

According to discussion in our Verizon forum, the company is now conducting internal trials for their upcoming 3Mbps speeds, though so far only among a limited number of Verizon employees. The trial is expected to be opened to the public before long, and the 3Mbps speeds are expected to be available to all Verizon customers sometime this summer. Users in the forum also debate Verizon's decision to ship new Westell 2200 modems without DMH (Dynamic Multi-Hybrid) technology available (even via firmware upgrade). DMH technology is designed to improve DSL performance by as much as five times on DSL lines with bridged taps.

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CPM join:2001-08-24 Miami, FL	3Mbps Would make things a lot better. But, do we really need it? Yes
	permalink · 2004-06-04 09:47:09 ·

NyQuil Kid
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Re: 3Mbps

I wonder if they will bump up the upload from the now 384 amount to something larger...I suspect Verizon won't be as quick to do that, since it will lead people to start using their connections for FTP and other servers...

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permalink · 2004-06-04 09:50:49 ·

Lumberjack Premium join:2003-01-18 Newport News, VA	Re: 3Mbps Per the post I think they are going to offer 3/784. -- My homies is in da hizouse!
	permalink · 2004-06-04 09:53:13 ·

Estragon join:2003-06-20 Greenville, NH ·Fairpoint Communic.. ·MV Communications,..	No, we do not need 3Mbps. What we need is DSL service at longer distances. We need DSLAMs in all the RTs.
	permalink · 2004-06-04 15:13:02 ·

Lumberjack Premium join:2003-01-18 Newport News, VA	Re: 3Mbps Maybe you don't need 3Mbps, but I do. If there current service quality gets a speed bump I will drop Cox. -- My homies is in da hizouse!
	permalink · 2004-06-04 17:28:04 ·

Lumberjack
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Newport News, VA

The competition will be welcomed

Here in Hampton Roads, VA the competition to Cox HSI will be nice.

I'm in the BBr|UT clan and our first match last night I decided to play the first match with Cox. I dropped out of the game three times, one of which most likely was the cause of a loss. The second and third games I used my 1.5/192 Verizon DSL connection with no problems at all.

Bring it on Verizon.
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permalink · 2004-06-04 09:52:49 ·

CPM join:2001-08-24 Miami, FL	Re: The competition will be welcomed I know I have verizon as well. And my pings are always in the low 10 to 12. I love verizon. Been a verizon customer since 2001 and my first on line game i first bought was Rainbow Six the original. Since then I love to frag many Asses LOL
	permalink · 2004-06-04 09:56:29 ·

pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by Lumberjack : Bring it on Verizon. Make sure they don't move your CO -- Keep America Strong! Bush/Cheney 2004
	permalink · 2004-06-04 11:33:34 ·

EnzonE

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Indiana, PA

Re: The competition will be welcomed

Yes it's funny how they have all these upgrades/trials going on and such yet the distance to CO is still a problem; maybe I should call up Earthlink to see what they get as an estimate, although I have a feeling it'll be around the same. 3Mbps I'll believe it when I see it Verizon, just like with the fiber

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permalink · 2004-06-04 12:58:03 ·

lesopp

join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL

Re: The competition will be welcomed

I don't understand why they have to "test" it. Either it works or it doesn't. Unless I am wrong, the CLECs use the same DSLAM. In my area I qualify for the CLECs extreme packages 7.1 x 768, yet Verizon still only offers the standard crap. I am about half a mile from the Next Generation RT.

Isn't it kind of like having a series of meetings over a period of weeks to plan an ass scratch?

permalink · 2004-06-04 15:12:32 ·

EnzonE

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Indiana, PA

Re: The competition will be welcomed

Hey thanks for the info; maybe I'll be able to qualify for other provider's packages that are better than Verizon's. Of course you're probably under 15k from the CO; in that case I can only dream of faster speeds. I'm guessing they want to try and get things right the first time before going ahead with the real thing; as we all know the smallest of bugs could be missed even after numerous tests.
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permalink · 2004-06-04 16:33:32 ·

formerverizonemploye

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CLECs typically have their own DSLAM's (i.e. Covad). The reason for the testing is to determine what kind of affects 3Mbit connections will have on the ATM backbone. In some areas they may need upgrade parts of the backbone (switches, routers, fiber cross connects), to be able to realibly offer 3Mbit to the masses. It's much smarter to take this approach then to just start provisioning everyone at 3Mbit only to find out the network can't handle it.

permalink · 2004-06-04 21:10:00 ·

dslsynch join:2003-05-22	Re: The competition will be welcomed this is off topic, but i'm curious. are you retired or did you decline recall?
	permalink · 2004-06-04 22:42:25 ·

dslsynch

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said by lesopp :
I don't understand why they have to "test" it. Either it works or it doesn't. Unless I am wrong, the CLECs use the same DSLAM. In my area I qualify for the CLECs extreme packages 7.1 x 768, yet Verizon still only offers the standard crap. I am about half a mile from the Next Generation RT.

Isn't it kind of like having a series of meetings over a period of weeks to plan an ass scratch?

dude,

you are wrong about the clecs and vz sharing the same dslam. that would be a provisioning nightmare and a conflict of interest. vz would have access to clec dsl ports and vice versa... no way. those circuits are completely separate as per fcc rules. i am a field tech for a clec. we do not use the same dslam as vz. vz has it's own. the clec's have their own. the clec's eq is located in the 'colocation' area of the vz co. that area is entirely separate of the vz dsl eq and facilities. i know, i built some of these 'colo' facilities and installed alcatel asam 7300 series dslams in a few vz co's b4 vz laid me off in dec '02. i was a central office equipment installer at the time.

you are 100% correct about the planning to have an ass scratch... that's standard procedure in the telecom world; no matter whether it's a clec or a an ilec.

permalink · 2004-06-04 22:38:45 · Print ·

xdeadhead 220, 221, Whatever It Takes. Premium join:2000-11-08 Mechanicsburg, PA ·Verizon FIOS ·Comcast	clecs have their own equipment "colo'd" in the same co but they do not share vz equipment. the dsl signal goes from the colo cage to a split block on the frame where the clec signal is sent out on a vz pair (which may or not contain dialtone) hence UNE loops. -- I am not Herbert.
	permalink · 2004-06-04 22:58:40 ·

pnh102
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said by EnzonE :
I'll believe it when I see it Verizon, just like with the fiber

Unless Verizon buys out Metumucil, I don't think we're going to see any fiber out of them in PA. But if the rumors are true that Verizon is going to offer DSL without requiring telegraph service, I might seriously consider it. Now I just need to wonder if I'm one of those lucky few in this state who can get DSL lol.
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permalink · 2004-06-05 16:44:32 · Print ·

GNXPower
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Raised uploads new trials free goodies price cuts

For me, Verizon used to be quite the rip. $50 for 768/128. Since then they dropped the price to $35, then to $30 (since I have VZ LD) and based speeds on distance rather than price...1.5Mb for $30-$35. Then they started free MSN Premium to those who want it which includes free MLB.TV, McAfee firewall and anti-virus, VZ has UNLIMITED use, no networking restrictions and decent news servers. Now in addition to these new trials, there's talk of Verizon dropping the POTS requirement.

Meanwhile on my other WAN port...Comcrap...never ending price increases, my ex-Mediaone upload cut, and useless usenet servers. You would think with expanding DSL deployment customer abusing tyrants like Comcrap would be put in check. Of course they have responded to some competition, namely DBS by instituting the $14 how dare you not want our crappy CATV service penalty should you want DirecTV or DN and Comcrap HSI, and instead of cutting HSI pricing, they bumped up download speed while continuing to send out nasty letters to those who would try and use it, refusing to say what the invisible caps are.

SBC and Verzion are headed in the right direction, and their profits show that it's not charity. Companies like Comcrap should take a lesson.
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permalink · 2004-06-04 09:55:23 · Print ·

pnh102
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Re: Raised uploads new trials free goodies price cuts

said by GNXPower :
SBC and Verzion are headed in the right direction, and their profits show that it's not charity. Companies like Comcrap should take a lesson.

You might be able to speak for SBC but I can assure that Verizon is the one that has a lot to learn. They still have not expanded any of their DSL service areas one iota. They also have no plans on doing so. Comcast, on the other hand, has been making broadband available to its customers for years now, whereas Verizon still offers most of its customers nothing.

I'm taking the same view of another poster who mentioned this whole discussion is based on speculation. In my own experience, Verizon always talks big but never delivers. I won't be surprised when this speed increase fails to materialize.

I used to joke that Baghdad would get DSL service before most of my friends and myself in PA do... the scary part was that after talking to one of our troops there, I was correct.
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permalink · 2004-06-04 15:08:04 · Print ·

GNXPower
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Re: Raised uploads new trials free goodies price cuts

Well, seeing as before Oct 03 I was 60,000ft of copper from the CO...VZ sure seems to be deploying RTs here.

Meanwhile the Comcast forum is FULL of people complaining of ONGOING problems (eg Chicagoland area) that Comcast won't fix.

As far as I have personally experienced this is what has been truth, not speculation.

Verizon cut my rate from $50 to $35, then to $30.
Verizon double my throughput from an abismal 768/128, to 1500/128, then to 1500/384.
Verizon started offering me MSN 9 Premium at No Charge
Free MLB, free McAfee blah blah all included with MSN 9.
Verizon has maintained it's news servers.
Verizon now moving to eliminate bundling requirements (while Comcast increases bundling requirements).
Verizon has changed it's distance qualification requirements expanding significantly the number of potential subscribers as well as those qualifying for 1.5Mb service via DSL.
Verizon now promotes zero networking restrictions.
Verizon offers FREE modems with their service, while Comcast charges for theirs...and if it doesn't work it's a $50 truckroll to TS it.
Verizon has zero install fee, Comcrap now charges $35.

As I'm not an SBC sub, I can only go by what my friend's experienced a little up north from me. SBC deployed multiple RTs expanding service. They cut their prices to the cheapest DSL around. They offer 3-6Mb service on the cheap. 1.5Mb service is just over 1/2 the cost of Comcrap.

Meanwhile...

Comcast increased my video rates 20% over 12 months with ZERO increase in programming
Comcast cut my ATTBi/MediaOne HSI upload speeds 15%.
Comcast instituted a 32% penalty for HSI customers that don't subscribe to CATV
Rather than face DSL on price, they increase download speeds, yay...all while sending out letters to those who violate magical invisible caps...which Comcast STILL refuses to say what they are.
Comcast continues to let ATTBi news servers wither while not offering an alternative (1GB from giganews is worthless).
Comcast now starting to charge those who OWN their modem the modem lease fee...now calling the lease payment we weren't paying because we own our modems a "discount" for owning our modems. Of course to this day, their Los Angeles pages show the $3 per month charge not as a discount but as a LEASE fee.
Comcast drops premium CATV programming from analog tiers forcing those subs to go digital...if they flee to DBS...they get a 32% penalty on their HSI bills.

As I see it...Verizon and SBC...here anyway are headed in the right direction, while nationwide Comcast is on an anti-consumer crusade of price increases and cuts in service.
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permalink · 2004-06-04 15:50:28 · Print ·

thebert

join:2001-02-26
Cave Creek, AZ

Hey if it doesn't materialize I'll be disappointed. I have both COMCAST (for home) and a DSL line provided by my employer so I can work at home. My Verizon DSL line is slower but far more reliable and MSN premium makes it a real value. MSN premium supplies McAfee virus, firewall and MLB TV, etc. COMCAST finally broke down and provides McAfee but my guess is they only did that in an effort to reduce phone calls from neophytes who can't manage their machines.

In any event, if Verizon does match COMCAST speeds, I'll drop COMCAST like nuclear waste, add another phone line and put a second DSL connection in. The cost will be the same and the extra phone line will come for free.

permalink · 2004-06-04 17:48:33 · Print ·

leighjam

join:2002-08-30
Weatherly, PA

Can they really do this?

I'm not sure that Verizon will be able to do this. I have a business line with a 7M/700K and have only reached 6M on one day. Today I have less than 1MB oh wait now I have 2.8M oh now i have 300k. The tech that came out was sent out on a 'do dial tone' problem after I spent 2 hours on the phone WITH a representatve about the speed issue. (hold time was reasonable) It was ok for a bit. But NOBODY can tell me whats going on.

permalink · 2004-06-04 09:58:06 ·

SaBo7Ge join:2003-03-12 US	Re: Can they really do this? You should ask tech support to inquire whether or not there's been a line tech out in that area doing any work on your loop.. It could be someone added a bridge tap or reworked the loop
	permalink · 2004-06-04 10:08:16 ·

leighjam

join:2002-08-30
Weatherly, PA

The problem is that there are at least 2 if not 3 entities in Verizon handling the DSL issue. And NONE of them talk and a few are even antagonistic(according to the one tech) So the people you talk to on the phone are not the people who come to your house and are not the people who work on the loop. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

The phone support SWEARS we are getting the bandwith but the speed tests on verizon have NEVER shown more than 3MB but the tests here have shown over 6MB.

The STRANGE thing is the ONLY thing that changed from when I upgraded from residential to bus was just that. I had more reliable service from the residential package.

I would be ok if I was just paying $30 and it was a little flaky but I'm paying over 200 and that demands a little more snap to.

BTW the service is running at 6MB right now... (aww darn I jinxed it) I'll keep testing to see how reliable it is...

permalink · 2004-06-04 10:36:51 · Print ·

GNXPower Got Boost? Premium join:2003-12-18 Huntington Beach, CA	Isn't that 'cause of a ton of ATM overhead? SBC users don't get anywhere near their caps either. Heck, I'm provisioned at 1792/160 and only get 1280-1300/138. As a percentage, it's about the same. -- 10.98@121
	permalink · 2004-06-04 10:40:22 ·

leighjam

join:2002-08-30
Weatherly, PA

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I'm ok with 5m or 6m but when I get 300k yes k not m and when my upstream reads 700k(correct for my 768k package) and my downstream is 600k(for my 7m package) something is REALLY REALLY wacky.

Here are some of my results...

2004-06-04 09:55:10 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 2817/700 kbps
2004-06-04 09:51:00 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 913/699 kbps
2004-06-04 09:48:54 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 634/700 kbps
2004-06-04 09:48:16 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 675/680 kbps
2004-06-03 20:44:32 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 6338/702 kbps
2004-06-03 10:25:38 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 2272/1129 kbps
2004-06-03 10:25:08 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 1265/714 kbps
2004-06-03 10:12:02 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 3788/708 kbps
2004-06-03 08:41:16 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 6141/715 kbps
2004-06-02 20:56:21 Speed test @ pit.speakeasy.net 5145/721 kbps

One of the techs said it could be rain. But it sped up during a downpour. Go figure...

Maybe things will settle out in a bit. Also note that I have never gotten over 3800kbs on their(verizons) speed test ever.

permalink · 2004-06-04 11:10:56 · Print ·

Voyager2K2 join:2001-10-04 Wayne, PA	Re: Can they really do this? Think it may be the server and not you that's slow?
	permalink · 2004-06-04 12:05:43 ·

leighjam

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Weatherly, PA

Re: Can they really do this?

The results are consistent for several sites and the verizon tests they provide were more dismal.

Now verizons test is up to 5m consistently (more than 1 test) and over 6000 for this one... I had my connection go out for about 10 minutes a little bit ago? Maybe they tweaked it?

I really don't care I wish that they could do more than read scripts and send out tech's on a no dial tone call...

I think maybe the paint had to dry?

permalink · 2004-06-04 13:52:20 ·

vic102482 Premium join:2002-04-30 Upper Marlboro, MD 1 edit	Sweet I cant wait to dump comcrap Yes now if they could only offer true naked DSL we would be all set!:p
	permalink · 2004-06-04 10:11:24 ·

thebert join:2001-02-26 Cave Creek, AZ	Re: Sweet I cant wait to dump comcrap COMCRAP... I like it! Very appropriate...
	permalink · 2004-06-04 17:50:04 ·

CPM

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Miami, FL

This naked for you?

:-)

permalink · 2004-06-04 10:34:30 ·

astamand Premium join:2003-10-11 Temple, NH	But what will the loop length be... Anyone got an inside scoop on what loop lengths will be accepted when this rolls out? -- This opinion subject to change without notice, contents may settle during shipping…
	permalink · 2004-06-04 11:08:38 ·

Voyager2K2 join:2001-10-04 Wayne, PA ·Verizon FIOS 1 edit	Re: But what will the loop length be... said by astamand : Anyone got an inside scoop on what loop lengths will be accepted when this rolls out? Mine will. The subject: Verizon's mysterious residence telekenisies. Talk among yourselves.
	permalink · 2004-06-04 12:08:41 ·

kk4l

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Cornelius, NC

Westell 6100 vs 2100 and Bellsouth

Borrowed a 2100 which works well, allows my AT&T Network Client to connect to company VPN ( and modem uses built in PPPoE dialer ). Bellsouth sent me a 6100 Proline, installed like 2100 but VPN software fails. VPN software works if I use "bridged ethernet" mode and XP Wan MINPORT dialer but that is NOT the configuration that I need. I suspect "hidden" configuration options (like Tunneling) that may be different between the two boxes. Bellsouth tech. support up thru 3 levels was not helpful.

Is there a way to get into the "hidden" configuration options so I can see what's there?

Ken

permalink · 2004-07-22 16:37:48 · Print ·

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