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el Camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| Re: Why bother... The users of the HF frequency spectrum, be they Military, Commercial, Amateur, Broadcast, or Government sure don't need this guy as a friend. Another bureaucrat that doesn't understand it, or get it. *sigh*
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join:2001-11-09
Lancaster, PA
clubs: | At some point he has to do something right. Leo Laporte has the highest respect for him but never explains why.
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join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | Re: Why bother... Maybe just Maybe, Leo Laporte is the best butt kisser on TV. Wait was on TV | |
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Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
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Miami, FL | Re: Why bother... So is night court.  | |
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Miami, FL | Re: Why bother... So, I guess not he is the best butt kisser now in Canada A | |
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cheesus
join:2002-08-16
Lompoc, CA | forget Menlo Park.... Come to my town. I'm at 19,600 so no dsl, no cable internet in our town, no satellite (not a clear line of sight). There is one ham user in my area and all he does is talk to others on hams about hams, Meanwhile I'm stuck on 56k. | |
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join:2003-10-25
New York, NY
clubs: | Re: forget Menlo Park.... You should go live where the people are | |
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join:2000-03-02 | Your town is planning a multi-million dollar municipal broadband operation:
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join:2002-08-16
Lompoc, CA | Re: forget Menlo Park.... I know, but not 6 miles out of town where i live.
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Shiny
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join:2001-09-30
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
| OMG STUPID! These guys are so stupid!
Instead of doing this crap with powerlines, why not just drop a fibre line?
WE WANT FIBRE!!
See: »100Mbps for $41?
Don't you feel jealous?
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join:2002-05-30
Mount Prospect, IL | yo Quit the trials and give me my 3 megabit now. | |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| so? is Powell's future a 5W bulb? This might be a stopgap until fiber gets here, but it's a problematic technology with limited potential.
And somehow, I don't get the feeling that cable is shaking in their boots over this, so I don't really expect much impact. If people had a choice of BPL, DSL or cable (all three in the same area) I could see some impact, but if I had a choice between those three, it sure as h3ll wouldn't be BPL.
If this came in at comparable speeds (3Mbps is mentioned) at about $25/mo, I might give it some attention. | |
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join:2003-10-09
Roslyn, NY
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| Re: so? Look, theres a point in time we have to stop caring about HAMs and worry about the future of this country, we complain that Japan has fiber optics yadda yadda, but we seem to forget how large this country is, and spread out compared to japan... I rather see everyone have broadband over having ham radio... who gives a crap about ham radio... BPL is at least 20 times more important than ham shit radio... im so sick of hearing people bitch about powell, I think hes doing an excellent job, demanding that VOIP stay unregulated, and untaxed, this guy is smart, and I like him, he knows a little something that I like to call PRIORITY!!!!! | |
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join:2002-10-28
Austin, TX | Re: so? Perhaps, one needs to look at the spectrum of the emitted RF from BPL and decode the packets as they go down the powerline....sounds like they have a very large cybersecurity problem with this technology. | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| said by jniamehr  :
Look, theres a point in time we have to stop caring about HAMs and worry about the future of this country, ham radio... BPL is at least 20 times more important than ham shit radio... im so sick of hearing people bitch about powell, I think hes doing an excellent job, demanding that VOIP stay unregulated, and untaxed, this guy is smart, and I like him, he knows a little something that I like to call PRIORITY!!!!!
What pleases me as a Ham Radio operator is your pin headed
comment is in the minority now. I wasn't that way at first.
We education people here as to what the realities are with
this absolutly bogus technology. The Amateur Radio service
as been around for almost a hundred years. we have more collective knowledge of RF then anyone else.
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ryanl88
Premium
join:2003-01-03
Fairfield, CA
| Re: so? quote:
The Amateur Radio service
as been around for almost a hundred years.
So has the use of fossil fuels to run the engines in the cars we drive. So why bother switching to alternative fuels--let's just keep polluting the earth and keep our economy stable for just a little bit longer? This is the kind of thinking that's preventing our country from advancing to the future.
I'm not saying "screw HAM and Amateur Radio"--but I'm saying that we need to find a way to make this work to keep us from getting stuck in the mud.
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
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| Re: so? said by ryanl88 :
I'm saying that we need to find a way to make this work to keep us from getting stuck in the mud.
Many people, including myself, feel BPL is part of the "mud" problem: too many overlapping providers that are leveraging an existing infrastructure that was NOT designed for bi-directional data. All the major providers are such in this country: TV, telephone and now high voltage electricity networks. The only truly good, stabile, cheap resi services are those via the few munis that built a dedicated data network & sell access to for-profit ISPs. The countries that have excellent resi service (eg: korea, sweden) did the same thing years ago - and they are the only ones that reach less pop'd areas.
RF interference aside, BPL is poised to be another layer of suburban cash grab: the political jibberish about it providing cheap rural coverage is just that: jibberish. Wireless is *so* much cheaper to deploy to most rural environments. The BPL proponents are those with a profit potential because they own the already-build infra, not because it shows a technical, cost-efficacy, or rural penetration potential. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Another no nothing troll who wants his porn faster.
His only priority is money and he doesn't care about you. Powell has no idea what he is talking about and if he keeps pushing this BPL crap, it will end up in court.
BPL is a dead technology that has been banned in Japan already. Plus, if you are too far out for DSL or cable then BPL is going to be the same story. | |
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Get Real
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| Get Real! "I'll personally cut the power lines, and praise anyone who does the same if they allow this." Please call me so I can watch.
"This is BS, CORPORATE greed." Where do you plan to work when you grow up?
I don't think anyone on this board is qualified to even comment on how BPL might work out in the future, so quit being so negative. And for those who have what they consider great broadband service and don't care about those who don't, quit being so selfish.
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@mpk-eres.charterpipe | Re: Get Real! These people have a valid point, can you explain why BPL is good or even going to work. All the evidence we have now points to future problems caused by BPL. I for one don't need anymore EM waves passing through me. | |
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| Re: Get Real! I have no idea if BPL will eventually work or not, but why assume that it will not. If the interference everyone talks about can not be overcome, maybe the technology will morph into something else that is workable. Technology evolves, why can't BPL evolve to something very workable.
I know those who expect fiber to provide 50MB/50MB for $5 mo. may not care, but I have a house in the sticks, and I'd like to see any and all promising technology looked at. | |
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Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: Get Real! said by Get Real:
I know those who expect fiber to provide 50MB/50MB for $5 mo. may not care, but I have a house in the sticks, and I'd like to see any and all promising technology looked at.
This is great except for the fact BPL is not a promising technology. It is a fact it will not work without substantial interference to and from everything that uses RF. Any engineer who tells you otherwise got his degree out of a Cracker Jack box. They can couch all of this in fancy terminology to pull the wool over people's eyes. Go ahead feed us your line of crap about modulated non radiating magnetic fields, we know better.
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Alex4life
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join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC | ? I thought BPL was the same as Cable, in that fiber had to be laid to a point in a neighbourhood, just like a node in a cable system.
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Sr Tech
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join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT | Re: POWELL IS NO Kidden, I like his Father but the Son is dumb as a can of nuts... | |
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Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
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| To heck with it, let's see what happens I think I'd like to see what happens from a real trial of this technology rather than accept the opinions of what appears to be a group of increasingly hysterical kooks.
True, they laughed at Darwin, the Wright Brothers, and Einstein, but they laughed at Bozo the Clown, too.
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CheeseWare
Premium
join:2003-04-24
Burnaby, BC
| BPhelL demo - humour The FCC Chairman enters the gate of hell and heaven. Their computer has broken down and Saint Peter gives him a choice. The Chairman responds by asking for a demo. They first show him hell with a bunch of rather lively people generally doing fine and having a good time. They then go to heaven and see clouds, angels, peace and quietness -hams and no interference  but rather quite a boring place to spend the eternity. So sure enough the Chairman decides to go to hell. But somehow soon afterward, he ends up in a dark dungeon on a stretcher with rats nibbling at his feet and his rear-end roasting over a fire (or a powerline?). One night he notices Satan on his walk and yells to him: "But this is not what I was shown". And Satan to answer: "Did you not like my demo?"
I noticed BTW that the BPL stock markets have not blinked one bit on both Powell and Bush praises on how wonderful the prospects of BPL are. Perhaps their intervention will have the opposite effect than what was expected. This must not be a laughing matter for some. | |
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join:2002-06-25
Pearl, MS
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July 16th, @12:05AM
| HAM radio Are HAM radio operators the ones with the tacky antennas towering over their trailers?
Guys, if you really want to be on the radio, please go be a dj or something.
/there is an alternative to HAM radio, it's called the internet. You can even use voice communication. | |
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join:2001-11-09
Lancaster, PA
clubs: | Re: HAM radio You didn't get the memo? They changed this to hambandreports.com. | |
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tenbase
join:2000-07-19
Alexandria, VA
| er, ham radio has nothing to do with being a dj. nice ignorant stereotype though.
and in case you havent noticed, this is a public forum, and a lot of the users happen to be hams.
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA
| Screw HAM I'm tired of HAM users bitching and whining about BPL interference. Oh no, you can't talk to a fat 40 year old balding man in New Zealand! Go join a chatroom or an irc channel.
Yes, I understand that HAM CAN be used for emergency purposes...but do you honestly think they (they being the government in huge disasters such as 9/11, or others) don't have backup (short wave, etc.)?
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Paladin
Sage of the light
join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL
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| Homeland Security I don't care a bit about this hype with BPL. Even though I'm not a ham radio user, and I believe that there are more relevant communication technologies in place today than amateur radio, the real comparison is BPL vs. WiMax. To me it's quite apparent that WiMax is the major player in trying to bring rural broadband services to fruition. By the time that BPL actually makes it to the sticks, WiMax will be there cleaning its clock. WiMax just has greater speed and distance potential to bring broadband to the rural masses, while BPL is just going to get stuck in static.
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join:2003-11-18
| Hmmmm.....
Well lets see now. We have this...
"We education people here as to what the realities are"
and we have this...
"I'll personally cut the power lines, and praise anyone who does the same if they allow this."
Yall sure you're hams? Ya sound more like a big ol' pile o' chitlins. | |
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Turn Left At The Moon
join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO
| Ah..the botttom line Bing..Bing..Bing..Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner:
"BPL - Broadband over Power Lines was not being promoted because it is a good, clean or technologically advanced technology- it was promoted because the power companies want a piece of the broadband pie and they will do what they can to use their pre-existing system to provide it"
Mommy? I don't see it! Where's the Forest? I think all these trees are in the way!
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join:2004-06-14
Springville, IN
| Re: Ah..the botttom line Hmmm....I did not know the issue of BPL causes such a war between ideal of people. I guess in a way I see both view points, but no matter what the technology faults, I'm for pushing any type of Broadband out to everyone. Like alot of poor souls enslaved to 16.4 dial-up hell, I'm welcoming to any High Speed Option. I still look at as priority.......High Speed Internet is more important to society, business, and educational needs than anything out there. Just wish I even had a BPL trial near me.........but unless a miracle happens.....I'm still screwed outa luck! | |
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join:2005-01-22
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I have stumbled on this forum, and was wondering if I should rather post a comment to the local "kindergarten" due to the bickering over your toys......
Then, some comments that were sober, reasoned and well structured
Now, instead of wasting the considerable IQ in evidence on derogatory remarks, idle threats and the such, why don't you guys (and girls, maybe) help me come up with a solution to provide interactive multi-media content to Kenya and Sudan.....Sudan especially where some war ravaged people have never even SEEN a radio, ham or FM or AM or otherwise - by the way "ham is good' - especially in the sticks - using content delivery interactively via VoIP, the last mile - where you can not even buy a pen in the local store - there isn't one - where there is NO INFRASTRUCTURE.
No cable, no wire, no wireless, no ...
I am thinking ..... HF radio from Nairobi - Codan or similar, to Rumbek in southern Sudan, to 16 other areas in southern Sudan.
VSAT available, but as this is for disadvantaged communities with a annual income of less than zero, and funding will be via donors - expensive.
Content delivery can be via something like "Elluminate"
Target audience - the communities mentioned, the Sudan Peace and Reconciliation Commission, the demobilised soldiers, the internally displaced people, child soldiers, war wound and land mine victims, and so on.
In Kenya the target audience will be prisoners, juvenile delinquents in custody, youth via a Drug, Alcohol and Substance abuse program, and a certain Kenyan Community that practice "wife inheritance" - even if the husband died of AIDS.
If any info or bio data is required, i will gladly accommodate any requests.
Well, well done, my first ever post... or whatever
I trust you can get my e-mail ID from here??
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