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4G Data Prices Dropping Most Places, Just Not U.S.
73% of Countries Reduced 4G Price Average of 30% in 6 Months
by Karl Bode 08:47AM Monday Feb 11 2013
A new study by ABI Research shows that 73% of countries have reduced the price of their 4G services by an average of 30% in the last six months. The United States isn't among them, prices remaining the same but with some carriers instead choosing to raise monthly data allotments. Competition is to thank for lower prices in Australia, Sweden, Japan, and Saudi Arabia and Europe. A different report by ABI last October notes that 4G pricing was 20% higher than 2G pricing, despite the costs saved by more effective data delivery. In the States, Verizon has justified the high prices by insisting their LTE service is a "premium" product.

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DataRiker
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People are dumb enough to pay

I paid about 20 USD for a prepaid phone in SK with unlimited text, calling, tv (not data), and 10 gigs of data

In most places prices are lowered because people simply won't pay it.

In the US, low income people have no problems paying 30% of their income on a phone bill. And Middle to High income have no problems paying 150+ dollars a month.

I pay 35 dollars a month, and I will never pay a penny more.

MovieLover76

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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

I don't think anyone pays 30%of their income. even at AT&T and Verizon the average smartphone cell phone bill is $100. At that rate they'd have to make only $300 - $400 a month for it to work out to 30%, even flipping burgers at mcdonalds, minimum wage full time should bring in $1000 a month.

For middle to high income, I'll agree to the 150+ dollars a month for a lot of people, myself I'm more frugal I only pay $49 a month for prepaid unlimited text, calling and 4GB of data, no overages, just throttling to 2G speeds. Some users in the US are catching on, prepaid is getting more and more popular for smartphones. But the average consumer won't leave the big 4 and their retail stores.

tphillips
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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

I'm with you. I switched 2 months ago and will not look back. My $225+ monthly mobile bill (family plan) is now over. I guess some people dont mind paying this, just not me.
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NOVA_UAV_Guy
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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

said by DataRiker:

In the US, low income people have no problems paying 30% of their income on a phone bill.

[soapbox]

That's only because their lifestyles are enhanced by government hand-outs provided by taxing people who actually work to earn what they enjoy.

And then, of course, we have these stupid cell phone give-away programs to low income people that include data and texting in their plans. I've never understood the value proposition here - there's a clear public cost to doing this, with no real benefit other than making a few poor people feel a little better about themselves by having a shiny toy to play with.

[/soapbox]
Telco

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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

Any actual evidence to back this beyond the typical scapegoats of Faux news, Beck, Rush etc?

What's even more laughable is this coming from anyone in the NOVA area, whose bread and butter is government.
NOVA_UAV_Guy
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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

said by Telco:

What's even more laughable is this coming from anyone in the NOVA area, whose bread and butter is government.

You know, there are some of us who live in Northern Virginia who support limited government with reasonable and sane levels of spending. We also tend to support a government that doesn't tell telcos that they need to pay into a fund that gives out free luxury items (like cell phones) just because they're "poor".

We also tend to be the ones who are smart enough and ambitious enough to not settle for the mediocre jobs that one generally finds with government agencies. We're generally called things like "business owners", "fiscally conservative" and "responsible members of society".

Since this has nothing to 4G data, this will be the last post I'll make in this area of the thread.
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said by Telco:

Any actual evidence to back this beyond the typical scapegoats of Faux news, Beck, Rush etc?

Actually the "lifeline" phone program was started by Ronald Reagan in 1985 to provide free phones to low income families.
This program was then expanded to free cellular phones by the Bush administration in 2008.

Try as they might blame this on Obama.
Obama has nothing to do with the "Obamaphone" except he happens to be President.

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NOVA_UAV_Guy
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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

said by b10010011:

Actually the "lifeline" phone program was started by Ronald Reagan in 1985 to provide free phones to low income families.
This program was then expanded to free cellular phones by the Bush administration in 2008.

Funny. I found a site that mentioned the program actually started in 1996 under Clinton. »www.patheos.com/blogs/philosophi···ma-phon/

Not sure how accurate that is, but it still shows that the whole debacle started prior to Obama - which I think was the point you were trying to make.

Of course, no matter who it started under, it still doesn't mean that the program was a particularly good idea. As I understand it, the program has our telcos paying a fee to support Lifeline - which is then happily passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices. At the end of the day, it still means that you and I pay more to support the burgeoning welfare state of people who shouldn't be granted the privilege of owning a cell phone at others' expense.
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bcoleman71

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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

It started under Reagan. I was in middle school when this plan was going into effect. I remember reading about it. There was a change in the plan under Clinton and it was expanded under Bush, but yeah, the plan was totally in effect long before Obama became President.

MovieLover76

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First of all your information isn't even correct, the phones do not include data for free, the cell phone plans gives 250mins and 250 texts for free each month to people who make less than 14k a year. It's not a toy, it's basic phone service for people who can't afford it.

and your horribly misinformed you think their are a bunch of poor people living well off government handouts, programs for the poor increase employment opportunities and give the poor's children a chance to pull themselves up.
BosstonesOwn

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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

It's still a cost to us the tax payer ! Get a job hippie !

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I partially agree with you. However, the worst rip off in the US are not the post paid plans, but the prepaid ones, especially for the (poor) peo9ple who are trying to limit their use to the bare necessity. Also low minute post paid plans are extremely expensive in the US.
Prepaid plans are much better in Western European countries, so are low usage post paid plans.
It is not just about the price. 20 euro refill is valid for 12 months and even after that you get a few months to catch up without losing your phone number and credit. great for people using the phone only for SMS and emergencies.Also, the coverage on prepaid phones is usually the same as on post paid ones, including international coverage. BIG difference.
The true rip off comes with the broadband. the prices in the US are 2-3 times higher than in Germany for the same( or worse) product. Absolutely insane, but what do you want to do?
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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

said by cb14:

I partially agree with you. However, the worst rip off in the US are not the post paid plans, but the prepaid ones, especially for the (poor) peo9ple who are trying to limit their use to the bare necessity. Also low minute post paid plans are extremely expensive in the US.

Sure the pre-paid per minute rate is horrible but I have been using Verizon pre-paid for over a decade now. I get full coverage, plus roaming, even international roaming (Canada) and I only pay $15 a month as I have to buy a $30 card every 60 days unused money rolls over.
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Re: People are dumb enough to pay

Verizon is just about the only carrier left with the same coverage on prepaid and post paid plans. Alltel used to be, and MUCH cheaper. I still have my old Alltel plan on my Verizon prepaid which I use as a back up for my TMO phone. And yes they do offer international roaming but you will not get far with CDMA.
neftv

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There is mafias and there is MNVOs.

US Carrier companies can take advantage of the dumb US consumer because the US consumer will believe anything they say to them. Something to be said about organized corporate world or Mafia (as I call them) yes all four main carriers.
I just hope the MNVO's sprouting heat up the competition enough to bring the prices down.
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Re: There is mafias and there is MNVOs.

They're a monopoly and they know it. They have also cornered the wireline industry. Therefore, we have to sit and wait as a nation for them to deem it profitable again, before we can access decent developed world speeds, at a decent price.

IowaCowboy
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I pay over $200 per month.

My Verizon bill is over $200 per month but I have six devices (2 dumb phones, an iPhone 5, a mobile hotspot, an iPad and an iPad mini). I also get 4 GB of data per month. The 4G is nice as it is fast.
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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

There is a sucker born every minute.
Telco

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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

They could not pay me to pay (I know ironic) more than $50 for a North American cell service.

Majestik
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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

I pay $56/mo. for att grandpa unlimited iPhone and $30/mo. for the ipad.
I'm satisfied.
Don't know why nobody think to own stock in these companies. The reinvested dividends I get from AT&T is almost 3x my annual phone bill.
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elefante72

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That is simply a statement. You don't state if you are happy with the pricing and service, and if you are satisfied? You say 4G is fast though.

My point is if you think that provides value and you are satisfied, you should tell everyone. There is a negative bias to these boards, so it would be refreshing to hear good news.

I can tell you I have an ipad and iphone (1 LTE, 1 3G) that are corporate and just these are over $200, but no way I would personally outlay for that.

What is not really mentioned is that there is really NO easy way to get tablets on the network easily and cheaply UNLESS you do a value plan.

The only thing I would suggest is taking a look at the "feature phones" which at $30 a pop is not valuable. You can go to pageplus and save a few buck there, IF you are keen on that. In the scheme of things it may only save you 10%. The big killer is the contract though, and if you ever needed to get out that could be expensive.
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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

said by elefante72:

What is not really mentioned is that there is really NO easy way to get tablets on the network easily and cheaply UNLESS you do a value plan.

It all depends. A couple years ago (when 3G was the fastest mobile data speed) I tethered my iPad to a jailbroken iPhone 4. Today I tether my Nexus 7 to a rooted Galaxy Nexus.

If you're comfortable with jailbreaking and rooting, getting data service on your tablet can be only a download or two and a few clicks away. If you're not, then, of course, you're right - value plans would be the way to go.

MovieLover76

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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

You don't even have to root or jailbreak with the right phone.
I have a nexus 4 on T-mobile mvno. I always have my phone with me, so why would I pay additional money for an Ipad with 3G/LTE I just turn on the mobile hotspot.

Shared data Smartphone plans on Verizon and AT&T even include free tethering. I guess if you have lots of money to burn you can spend more for your tablet as well as $10 a month just to have them on your plan, but the benefit doesn't really seem to be worth it to me.

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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

said by MovieLover76:

You don't even have to root or jailbreak with the right phone.
I have a nexus 4 on T-mobile mvno. I always have my phone with me, so why would I pay additional money for an Ipad with 3G/LTE I just turn on the mobile hotspot.

Shared data Smartphone plans on Verizon and AT&T even include free tethering. I guess if you have lots of money to burn you can spend more for your tablet as well as $10 a month just to have them on your plan, but the benefit doesn't really seem to be worth it to me.

I’m anxiously awaking Verizon to launch another 3G/4G tablet that is not a Samsung. As much as I want to support Samsung, with them being the AntiApple and all, I just don’t care for their mobile products. I see absolutely no point in having a wifi only tablet.

I like the Droid Xyboard tablet, but won’t buy it since it’s EOL. I have an HTC tablet on Sprint, and having the built in data is great! I also have a Sony wifi tablet and it sucks not having a data connection when away from home. The Sony is so much faster and more responsive, I’d love to use it more. Yes, I could use my mobile hot spot feature on my phone, but if I’m in a 3G area I can’t use data and voice at the same time, being a mobile hot spot absolutely kills the battery on the phone, and being connected to a cellular provider via wifi, just adds unnecessary latency and slowdowns. When using the mobile hot spot feature in conjunction with my Sony tablet, the thing can barely load a YouTube video without buffering a dozen times with decent 4G coverage. I’ve noticed the same thing with my laptop. Even with the phone sitting right next to the laptop, I get better connectivity, faster speeds and lower latency when using my USB modem versus using my phone as a hot spot.

$10/month access charge is a small price to pay to be able to share my 10GB of data that I have for my two smartphones and USB modem with a tablet. I still have a USB modem and tablet on Sprint. It’s costing me $80/month. I wish I could pay $30-40 and share a few gigs between the two, instead of each having it’s own separate plan.
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MovieLover76

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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

Maybe it's your phone or Sprint's network i don't know, but I don't have any issues using my phone as a mobile hotspot with my tablet. speeds are identical to what I get running a speedtest on my phone. Depends on your usage i guess, I only occasionally use my tablet out of the house.

Are your devices all from the same carrier? Sprint's network can be pretty damn slow.

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One solution would be to get a mobile hotspot. You can connect any Wi-Fi enabled device to a MiFi.

I have a Mobile Hotspot but I use it mainly to connect my laptop on the go. I use the 4G connection in my iPad when I'm on the go.
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NOVA_UAV_Guy
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- 4 data plans (2 are still unlimited, and will remain that way for as long as possible)
- 2 home phone connect devices (1 of which will be cancelled by the end of the year, the other will go back to being a VOIP line)
- unlimited texting, etc. as well as unlimited nights & weekends
- huge bucket of shared minutes

I'm paying right around $300/month for service. When Verizon ran an analysis for me the last time I popped into one of their stores, switching to a plan with pooled data would have run me about $20 more each month (according to their CSR).

One of the lines is out of contract now, another 3 will be by the end of the year (as will the 2 home phone connect devices). Needless to say, I will be shopping for better deals this fall as the cost of leaving Verizon nears zero.

The only concern is losing the unlimited data plans on the 2 smartphones that now have it. One doesn't see much heavy use, but the other (mine) does as I tether it to my Nexus 7 when out and about all the time and also stream Netflix and/or Slacker on long drives (6+ hours each way) which happen at least once monthly.

I have to wonder - would I be a good candidate for switching over to prepaid? (If not totally, at least partially.) I'd welcome thoughts.
elefante72

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Re: I pay over $200 per month.

Not likely. At that level postpaid is probably better. You could save SOME but not much and you won't be able to get new subsidized phones at low prices. And there is no true prepaid that has unlimited.

The big problem you will have, is that you will have to pay the full boat to keep unlimited, however if you have LTE smartphones you can just buy used ones or simple keep trucking w/ your phones or rotate them out (buy subsidized on limited, swap SIM to unlimited). That will buy you a year or two. Then rinse and repeat. If you do prepaid you are going to spend a lot of time hunting down used phones or dealing w/ carrier locked ones (if you buy them new) that makes it harder to move around. Verizon will make it harder and harder to keep unlimited plan over time.

Also with prepaid, there is no mobile to mobile, so you are burning minutes whenever you talk, unless you have an unlimited voice plan (or lots of minutes).

Also Verizon (at least in NE US) has the best coverage bar none. If you go to prepaid mostly to others.

Keep an eye on Talk For Good and PagePlusCellular. The competition is starting to heat up over there and it may make sense to take a look. PPC even has a 5GB plan now, and you can change it month to month...

FWIW my Verizon line has 5GB and I stream audio like crazy and web (ipad) I havent gone over 2 GB. BUT I refrain on video which I know eats data from lunch. Perhaps you go old skool an get a portable DVD player and redbox or netflix.

If you go to pooled, make sure you have data limiters on to keep usage in check and pay attention to wifi to offload.

Some of my buds have taken a bath on pooled w/ their kids thinking their phones were netflix roku boxes or youtube.

So if you want new phones, moving to the pooled plan may be more cost efficient (figure $300-$400 device sub per phone) over 24 months ($25-$30)

With all those phones, homeconnect is a waste of $. My VOIP costs me like $4/month.

With all that said, is the $30-$40 you could save worth the hassle, and no corporate store to take care of your every need. I mean when you have that many lines, you will get taken care of.

But for say 1-2 smartphones, prepaid makes way more sense.
wkm001

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I used Page Plus for over a year and it was great. But I grew tired of the phone (Incredible 2) and slow 3G speeds. I'm about as tight as they come, but I pay the Verizon "premium" to carry an S3 and access the 4G network. I have to admit, it is worth it.

With all that said, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile do not have good coverage in my area. Not like Verizon at least...
MrBungle87

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4GB of data for $200? You realize Verizon is charging you more to share the data you already pay for, right?

Bill Neilson
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Why this country can't have more significant wireless

companies fighting over customers is beyond me and the amount that both AT&T & Verizon pay for "reps" in DC should be outlawed.

As Karl has noted so many times, it shouldn't really surprise people when language found in company memo's end up in the actual laws.

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Verizon is why we can't have nice things

$82 a month (corp discount)

One single phone unlimited stupid things I don't care about and 300mb of data (only thing I care about).

yay?

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Competition in Japan?

That would be news to wireless subs there. Japan has the same triumvirate of AU, NTT and Softbank that we have with AT&T, VZW and Sprint and 4G data there is still pretty damn expensive. The only thing coming down is FTTH cost because so many people are using LTE.
elefante72

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The great news

As Verizon moves folks onto LTE this is going to free up their 3G/EvDo networks for wholesale, and hence a new dirth of prepaid options on a great network, and the same can be said for the other guys.

These evacuated 3G networks are going to host a prepaid renaissance because there will be so much excess capacity--yes I mean excess.

My current iphone 4s runs on their 3G network and the speed while not blistering is stable, and that is a big deal. I can't remember the last time an audio stream or media page (youtube can suck) had an issue.

The biggest problem Verizon has is that no phones coming out anymore are 3G, so they are going to need to come up with a solution there. Right now PPC people have to jump through hoops to get an LTE phone working.

I hear the Straightalk iphone runs on VZ evdo network, so that would be a great example of Verizon starting to monetize their legacy network.

If people want to pay a premium for LTE and contracts, I'm all for it. You can see people are happy--ratings went up. They just subsidize my wholesale rates for prepaid.

Mrs is on ST, and it's $46 all in (tax included) and she has "unlimited" everything, and this is on fauxG which can get to 7-8 Mbps in my hood. My other family members use for mild internet and mostly talk/text and they are all on PPC which is awesome and the price is right (no more than $12/month).

So to say there is no choice or rates are high, OK. But you DONT have to pay them.

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Re: The great news

Agreed, their are much better options, byod on Solavei is my personal favorite. It's just that most americans don't consider it, I think partially because we have never had cell phones that were inter-operable between networks to a great extent, some t-mobile and at&t phones can be swapped, but other than that not much.

Since we aren't used to buying phones outright, we're lulled into the greedy hands of the big 4, who take care of all of those issues for us, in exchange for charging us 50 - 100% more than we'd pay for prepaid.

Some Americans are starting to wake up, prepaid is getting more popular.

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This is AT&T. With pressure to lower prices we have decided to respond to customer demands. *ring* *ring* "Hello Verizon?" "We are now setting the max data cap at 1GB for the whole country." "Yeah may want to set yours too." "Yep lower data prices give us the worst case of data congestion!" "Can't enjoy my lobster bisque it's so congested!" "You too?" "Really?!" "Do tell....."
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Anyone Not Using 4G?

Just curious if anyone in the same boat as me. I own the original Galaxy S from launch day. I can't justify a new phone with 4G. My wife has a 3G My Touch. We pay about $80 from T-Mobile.
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Re: Anyone Not Using 4G?

I still use an old Verizon LG Voyager Titanium. No 4G. I am not a fan of touch screen typing, my real keyboard is very nice. The biggest issue is the ridiculous Verizon pricing for having a smart phone. I would have to pay a monthly fee just to have a device access their network, on top of the monthly plan fee I would have to pay. And why is the fee for a phone higher than the one for tablets? A 4G device is a 4G device. There should be device neutrality in network access pricing. $3 per month would be more than adequate for all types of devices. A dime a day. The plan you select pays for the actual voice, text, and data you use. The per device network access charge is ridiculously inflated. I love the Verizon voice coverage, so I stay. I will leave if some MVNO gets a real good 4G phone that I like, with equal or better coverage and service, at a significantly lower price than Verizon. I sense that will happen within 3 years. My money is betting it could be Straight Talk.

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I pay 20 a month to Verizon for a 1gb data plan for my iPad2. It uses 3G and it works fine for me. I really don't need the speed of 4G.
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fools

fools keep paying the higher prices, and carriers keep lapping it up..

upcoming games for the consumer from parker brothers:

duopoly

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no doubt there'll be a cellphone as a game piece..

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