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50% of Verizon Wireless Traffic Now LTE
As Verizon Continues to Dominate Sector
by Karl Bode 09:07AM Thursday Mar 14 2013
The latest report from wireless industry analyst Chetan Sharma notes that Verizon continues to dominate the sector, adding 72% (2.2 million) of the industry's postpaid customers last quarter. Verizon, who continues their LTE deployment lead, now says that 50% of all wireless data on their network is LTE (EVDO is being relegated primarily to prepaid options). The total wireless market saw the addition of 9 million new connections, a decline of 56% from 2012 as the market slowly becomes more saturated. Unsurprisingly T-Mobile and Sprint continue to struggle, the two companies collectively losing over 3.3 million postpaid subs in 2012. "The last year T-Mobile had Y/Y positive postpaid net-adds growth, George Bush was still the president, Facebook was in diapers, and Pinterest wasn’t even born yet," notes Sharma.

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wkm001

join:2009-12-14

Of Course

4G data travels up to 10x faster than 3G. I would like to see a ratio of 3G:4G subscribers. I have to admit, Verizon LTE is pretty damn awesome.

Re: Of Course

Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.
wkm001

join:2009-12-14

Re: Of Course

Yea, LOL. 700MHz penetrates well, but when you are that far away you have to take into account the curvature of the earth. Hopefully Verizon will have their entire 3G footprint covered with 4G by the end of this year.

88615298
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West Tenness

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said by Bootloader :

Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.

Where do you live that you're 50 miles away form a cell phone tower?

tshirt
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Re: Of Course

It's not that there aren't lots of places 50 miles from a cell tower, but it would be pretty optimistic to believe you'd have reliable service from a tower 50 miles away.

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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said by Bootloader :

Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.

They're getting there. They lit up 4G LTE near me last month which is surprising because I never expected them to get all the way out here so fast.

IowaCowboy
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said by Bootloader :

Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.

I don't think a cell tower could reach 50 miles. Cell towers can only put out the same amount of power that the cell phone itself can transmit or otherwise the cell phone could hear the tower but not talk back.

The reason TV transmitters have a range of 50 plus miles is they only need to transmit the signals to the TV sets themselves as they are receive only devices. Cell phones are two way (receive + transmit) device.
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gwhall007

join:2001-11-12
Niles, MI

Re: Of Course

said by IowaCowboy:

I don't think a cell tower could reach 50 miles. Cell towers can only put out the same amount of power that the cell phone itself can transmit or otherwise the cell phone could hear the tower but not talk back.

I'm sorry, but this statement is incorrect. The radios at the cell site transmit at much higher power levels than the mobile devices, and also transmit through much higher gain antennas. The cumulative effect is transmit power at the cell site antennas that is many orders of magnitude stronger than the most powerful mobile device in existence. I know this as fact, as I manage a team of Radio Access Network engineers for one of the two biggest cellular carriers (guess which one!). Prior to that, I was a RAN engineer myself. In other words, I have first-hand knowledge of this subject.

IowaCowboy
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Re: Of Course

said by gwhall007:

said by IowaCowboy:

I don't think a cell tower could reach 50 miles. Cell towers can only put out the same amount of power that the cell phone itself can transmit or otherwise the cell phone could hear the tower but not talk back.

I'm sorry, but this statement is incorrect. The radios at the cell site transmit at much higher power levels than the mobile devices, and also transmit through much higher gain antennas. The cumulative effect is transmit power at the cell site antennas that is many orders of magnitude stronger than the most powerful mobile device in existence. I know this as fact, as I manage a team of Radio Access Network engineers for one of the two biggest cellular carriers (guess which one!). Prior to that, I was a RAN engineer myself. In other words, I have first-hand knowledge of this subject.

If that is true, then how can the cell phone talk back to the tower. It would be like "I can hear you now" but you can't hear me.

Here the cell towers are about 2-3 miles apart and some areas have poor reception. Some buildings (like Tower Square in downtown Springfield) have cell towers on the roof or nearby and have spotty reception inside.
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I have not and will not cut the cord.

gwhall007

join:2001-11-12
Niles, MI

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Re: Of Course

It works because the mobile device and the cell tower transmit at different frequencies, so they can each transmit and receive at the same time. This is also the reason both parties on a call can speak at the same time.

Signal strength varies due to many factors - antenna height, antenna placement, antenna type, radio transmit power (which varies by both technology and vendor, amongst other reasons), number of active connections, building materials (steel buildings block much more signal than wood, for instance), frequency band being used (the PCS 1900 and AWS 2100 bands penetrate and propagate much less than the Cellular 850 and LTE 700 bands), etc.

AVD
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Re: Of Course

said by gwhall007:

It works because the mobile device and the cell tower transmit at different frequencies, so they can each transmit and receive at the same time. This is also the reason both parties on a call can speak at the same time.

**retracted**
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gwhall007

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Re: Of Course

Yes, why do you ask? Do you not agree with what I wrote?

AVD
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Re: Of Course

what you wrote is technically correct, that send/receive are different frequencies. But this has nothing to do with the topic, that tower ranges are basically limited to the ability to receive the lower powered mobile unit signal.
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Re: Of Course

and I'm not an electronics engineer, but my understanding of CDMA is that is spreads the signal over multiple frequencies. I would assume that GSM does similar things.
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gwhall007

join:2001-11-12
Niles, MI

Re: Of Course

Ah, you are correct. I reread Iowacowboy's post I replied to originally and realize now that I misunderstood what he had written. My engineer mind over-thought his statement, as it sometimes does. Sorry!

anondownload

@comcast.net
said by wkm001:

4G data travels up to 10x faster than 3G. I would like to see a ratio of 3G:4G subscribers. I have to admit, Verizon LTE is pretty damn awesome.

observing people i know i woudl actually not be surprised if many of the heaviest consumers of data are actually on 3G, the reason being grandfathered unlimited plans. data cap size has more to do with usage level than peak speed.

also in most areas of the country verizons 3G is so good that lots of people would not notice a difference.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA

Re: Of Course

I have unlimited grandfathered data on 3 of my 5 devices and its 4g.

aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA
said by anondownload :

said by wkm001:

4G data travels up to 10x faster than 3G. I would like to see a ratio of 3G:4G subscribers. I have to admit, Verizon LTE is pretty damn awesome.

observing people i know i woudl actually not be surprised if many of the heaviest consumers of data are actually on 3G, the reason being grandfathered unlimited plans. data cap size has more to do with usage level than peak speed.

also in most areas of the country verizons 3G is so good that lots of people would not notice a difference.

I'm grandfathered on unlimited with my ReZound phone. Probably around 90% of the time I have a 4G connection here in the DC area.

AVD
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how many LTE devices do they have? How many LTE subscribers do they have?
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semaj81

join:2002-08-12
Marietta, OH

4G LTE Testing in my area...

They are currently testing 4G LTE in my area, 45750, as it was on yesterday most of the day.. but has been off since yesterday evening.. Some rural areas surrounding me have had it for some time.. but it's coming!

CaptainRR
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Blue Rock, OH

Re: 4G LTE Testing in my area...

They got it down to McConnelsville and up to Beverly last week. I not seen any LTE around Marietta yet or Parkersburg at that. Most of my day is spent around for work!
tdumaine
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Seattle, WA

4g is not always greener grass

The 4G here is so great i ported out. 0.75MB down and .06 up. Not so great

nightshade74
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Prattville, AL

Re: 4g is not always greener grass

said by tdumaine:

The 4G here is so great i ported out. 0.75MB down and .06 up. Not so great

Yuck - I'd have given up my grandfathered unlimited plan and left as well!
Here 4G does pretty well.

geh
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U.S.A.

too bad

it's too bad you can't do voice and video on LTE on the iPhone 5 at the same time

CaptainRR
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Blue Rock, OH

Re: too bad

That just shows Apple is still in bed with at&t. I can do voice and web including video on 3g and LTE on my S3.

anonnn

@sbcglobal.net

Re: too bad

I disagree. Why pander to the CDMA oddballs in a global economy?

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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Re: too bad

said by anonnn :

I disagree. Why pander to the CDMA oddballs in a global economy?

Because CDMA is better.

gwhall007

join:2001-11-12
Niles, MI

Re: too bad

said by fifty nine:

said by anonnn :

I disagree. Why pander to the CDMA oddballs in a global economy?

Because CDMA is better.

Better than what? GSM? UMTS? HSPA+? If you say GSM, I would agree. If you say UMTS or HSPA+ (btw, HSPA+ is really just an extension of UMTS... a newer version, with more features allowing for faster data speeds), I have a fun fact to tell you (hint - look up W-CDMA).

ilikeme
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I can do that no problem on my iPhone 5 on AT&T. iPhone FTW!

IowaCowboy
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Springfield, MA

LTE is nice

LTE is like having a mobile cable modem. I upgraded my iPhone to iPhone 5 specifically to take advantage of LTE. Only downside is I have to charge it every night whereas I could get about two or three days on iPhone 4 (VZW version).
decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
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hmm

Strange, they claim more are using LTE, yet my 3g sense the third week or so in december has nose dived in speeds. In the evenings my speeds are .05 mbps, to .16mbps.. Used to hit .60mbps on average.. And this is the time of the year where leaves aren't in the way! This used to be the best time of year for me with verizon 3g.. Soooo looking forward to contracts expiring so I can switch services this year...

JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12
Pleasanton, CA

Re: hmm

still no lte in merced from at&t @_@
Ulmo

join:2005-09-22
Aptos, CA

T-Mobile wouldn't sell me a Samsung Galaxy S3, so I switched

T-Mobile wouldn't sell me a Samsung Galaxy S3 (for any price) on my prepay account (I walked in with $1,200 cash), so I switched to a company that would sell it to me (in my case, Verizon). T-Mobile learned those attitudes from AT&T after they already had the policies left over from the whole concept of prepay being for ghetto low-vocabulary customers only and restricting them to the dumbest of dumb phones. Of course, when even the low-vocab prepay people started buying smartphones, T-Mobile LET them GRUDGINGLY use smartphones on their network, but never got 100% behind it, and when T-Mobile got in bed with AT&T temporarily, T-Mobile enshrined horrible customer service into their offerings, and took an otherwise good (if less expensive and not great) network and pretty good customer service into crappy customer service. That's how they refused to sell me a Samsung Galaxy S3! How idiotic! They got contaminated by AT&T and are suffering the consequences. They got what they deserved by importing AT&T policy wonks.

Within a few months, they wised up and started selling SG3s to prepay customers, but by then I was already on a different network. My investment in my phone is so large, I can't go back easily; if they had company-interchangeable compatible phones, that wouldn't matter. But the causes are deeper: when they start treating their customers and potential customers like crap, their product is not good enough, and they don't get as many customers. This is how the free market is supposed to work.

I actually supported T-Mobile for a while. I advertised it by word of mouth. Not any more. I'm fully wanting them to get back into the game. For now, they lost.