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join:2007-04-14
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kudos:2 | Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well You missed the information where they will also be bumping all markets up to the same markets.
VA and others will be bumped from 5/2 to 10/2 and 15/2 to 20/5. | |
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 | | | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well And when the tiered pricing hits, the limits will be 20 and 50 gig a month.
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| | | | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well Caps on fios? lol..Not anytime soon..there's people on fios that hit 1TB in a month, and not a peep from Verizon.
I wonder what this will do for cable in those markets..Comcast fastest tier is 16/2 ..the 50/5 is still a joke and is STILL limited to Comcast "reasonable network management" as they call it..
Verizon has this in the palm of their hands. | |
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join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY | I've uploaded 2.5TB over the past 2 months and downloaded 500GB during that same time. Not a peep.
50mb/20mb tier for $89/mo
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| Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well This is incredible. I don't really care about whether Verizon's connection is 50/20 or 10/2. What matters to me is that they have decent customer service and don't play games with invisible caps. If Verizon is ever available in my area, even if the speeds are slower than Comcast, I will be done with Comcast forever. | |
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join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well Yea I absolutely love my connection.
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| Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well To be fair, we can get 35 down/6 up with Comcast Blast! in tests. I also think that Comcast's ping times are better than Verizon's.
Of course, this would be great if Comcast's connection were actually usable, because they'll be disconnecting my service later this month (since we don't know what the cap is). I figure that we should take advantage of the bandwidth while we have it, because I don't want to support Comcast even if the only alternative is dialup.
I sent a scathing letter to Brian Roberts on this subject, and it will be interesting to see if we get a reply. | |
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join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well This is, I actually see 50mb/20mb when I use my connection, at any time of the day or night.
Never had an issue. And yea, the lack of caps is amazing.
p.s.: Who is Brian Roberts?
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| | | | | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by Natoma:p.s.: Who is Brian Roberts? .. someone who people, around here, seem to feel they know personally - and don't. (In order to make them feel important, when they aren't.) | |
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| | | | | | | | | said by quintin3265:To be fair, we can get 35 down/6 up with Comcast Blast! in tests. I also think that Comcast's ping times are better than Verizon's. Of course, this would be great if Comcast's connection were actually usable, because they'll be disconnecting my service later this month (since we don't know what the cap is). I figure that we should take advantage of the bandwidth while we have it, because I don't want to support Comcast even if the only alternative is dialup. I sent a scathing letter to Brian Roberts on this subject, and it will be interesting to see if we get a reply. I haven't sent my letter to them yet, but I do have complaints on file with the various regulatory authorities. The cocky rep dared me to sue, so I did that instead. Ironically, my high downloads that one month was because of a problem on THEIR end, but Mr. Eliason said it didn't matter to them. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | said by Natoma:Yea I absolutely love my connection. » /archive?zip=&···t=SearchThe FIOS archive. I'm currently the 3rd - 5th results. But check out the top one. I want that connection! Where are you in Brooklyn?
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join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well Fort Greene | |
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I call TWC in NYC to tell them I'm switching over to a FIOS 50/20 plan sometime in November... They offer me their 100mbit plan for cheaper than normal rates.. I accept. The consumer wins. | |
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| | | | | "Caps on fios? lol..Not anytime soon."
Really, the caps are being put in place by the cable companies due to the bandwidth hogs that bring their networks to a crawl every evening during peak times...
With all the room in their pipe Verizon isn't anywhere close to seeing similar problem and won't be for the foreseeable future. | |
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|  tp0dyabbazooiePremium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
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1 edit | sweeeeeeeeeeet
I knew getting 5/2 would pay off. Though I`ve been happy with the speeds, the 10/2 is warmly welcomed.
Now, I just wonder how long the rollout will take.. heh..
limits? caps you mean? I would think they would cap upload first, I havent seen anything with mine maxed for almost a month now. I`ll have to get into the logs to see how many gigs, but at 220k, that can add up.
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| | | | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well I knew it to that why after my contract was up I switched to 5/2 from 15/2. Now I will be going back to 10/2. | |
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: Other Speeds Bumped Up As Well I'm on 15/2 currently but with the rise in energy and gas prices, have been thinking of going to 5/2 to trim a little fat from the monthly bills. The upgrade of the 5/2 package to 10/2 seals the deal for me. | |
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | Very nice... Broadband the way it's intended.
My only critique would be why such a price difference between the markets?
89/mo. to 139.00 seems a bit unfair to those outside the 89/mo. markets.
The 65/mo. 20/20 tier is a nice deal however and they're definitely firing some warning shots over the cable co's bow.
If the cable co's needed any wake up call to spur on their docsis 3.0 rollouts..this is it. While still only available in a part of their territory..Verizon really has the right idea here with fios and the competition is going to be fierce.
And, to Verizon and their Execs..I'd like to extend a warm welcome for you to cross those NY and Mass. lines and come rolling right on into the great state of Ct.
This state really needs a telco with vision.
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| | | Re: Very nice... said by Rick:My only critique would be why such a price difference between the markets? 89/mo. to 139.00... My best guess is that they want to compete on price with Comcast's 50mbps service (still only in testing) at $150, but maybe they want to compare the uptake between $140 and $90 to see how big the drop-off is.
What they're still missing, though, is an economy tier for $15 for people who just want to get off dial-up and don't really care about ludicrous speed; they'd lose very few "broadband" customers to such a tier, and those that did get it would likely upgrade to something faster after a short while--it would be another marketing tool (as in, "Just checking email and paying bills online? We care about you, too!"). | |
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| |  Jodokast96Stupid people really piss me off.Premium
join:2005-11-23
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kudos:2 | Re: Very nice... said by mod_wastrel:What they're still missing, though, is an economy tier for $15 for people who just want to get off dial-up and don't really care about ludicrous speed; they'd lose very few "broadband" customers to such a tier, and those that did get it would likely upgrade to something faster after a short while--it would be another marketing tool (as in, "Just checking email and paying bills online? We care about you, too!"). True, but how long was it before you saw anything like that with DSL? They only rolled out a $15 tier about 2 years ago. Besides, there aren't any areas that FIOS is being deployed that don't already have a lower priced DSL option anyway, so the point is moot. If they ever start deploying it in areas where that isn't the case, I'm sure you will see a low priced tier, though I'll guess $20-$30 will be more likely. | |
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| | | | | Re: Very nice... My sister lives in such an area: they offered the $14.95 DSL but she couldn't get it; the CO supported DSL but they were all "sold out"; she tried for more than a year to get DSL, from the time they started marketing it (but since FiOS was planned for the area, they wouldn't sell it); now she can get FiOS, if she wants to, but they don't have anything cheap enough for her to afford, plus she doesn't use the Internet for much more than email and bill paying. The point is definitely not moot for her. Verizon would not lose much by offering a slow, cheap FiOS connection, 'cause there are a bunch of existing Verizon phone customers who are not going to spend more than $20 for Internet service as opposed to sticking with their $10 dial-up; a lot more people don't need/want super-fast speed than those who do--it's just not worth it to them (and you won't see most of them here at BBR). Verizon FiOS has nothing yet to attract these customers away from dial-up. | |
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| | | | Jodokast96Stupid people really piss me off.Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
kudos:2 | Re: Very nice... And is mostly a rare occurance. Like I said, in time, you will see a low-priced tier. But for now, FIOS's big push is the speeds, and a low-speed low-priced tier would conflict with that. Sadly, they are in business to make money, not make everyone happy. As to your sister, has she looked into cable? I don't know about other providers, but Comcast does offer an un-promoted, un-advertised, and mostly unmentioned Lite plan of 768, though I think the price is about $30/month. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Very nice... It's not that rare from what I've heard (the trying to get it but can't part); the "I've got dial-up and don't want to spend $30 or more on Internet access" customer isn't rare at all. She's looked at Comcast: the economy "double-play" ($50)--still more than she wants to spend. In time, maybe; but she's been stuck like this for close to 2 years. As it is, Verizon is not selling subscriptions to people who just aren't interested in what they do offer, and there are a lot more of them than there are of those who are interested in 20/20 or even 10/2. Internet access just isn't that important to a LARGE segment of the population--$20 or less is all they care about. Too many people who spend their time living and breathing broadband just don't get that; I work in IT, and I run into it all the time. But then I've always been willing to spend whatever it costs to get broadband--it saved me time (and, time is money). | |
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|  NOCManMacChatterPremium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | Verizon price jacks customers in markets cable is not trying to raise speeds in. DFW would be one of those markets. | |
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|  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Rick:Broadband the way it's intended. My only critique would be why such a price difference between the markets? 89/mo. to 139.00 seems a bit unfair to those outside the 89/mo. markets. the poor saps in the boonies that can only get satelite internet have to pay $190 for 3Mbps/300kbps and have a 500 MB daily cap. | |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Looking forward to it next week 50Mb/20Mb will be sweet. | |
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join:2007-05-09
Ann Arbor, MI | Now that's funny... Verizon's lowest FIOS tier is now faster (10/2) than AT&T's highest U-Verse tier (10/1.5). | |
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| | | Re: Now that's funny... I believe this article was about GOOD services
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| | | said by mjwise:Verizon's lowest FIOS tier is now faster (10/2) than AT&T's highest U-Verse tier (10/1.5). Makes me so Mad!!! | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by mjwise:Verizon's lowest FIOS tier is now faster (10/2) than AT&T's highest U-Verse tier (10/1.5). you find that surprising? T is the charter of telephone companies.
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| DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: bundle pricing or solo In most markets, the top tier (30Mb or 50Mb) is $140 for internet only. The 10Mb (currently 5Mb) runs $43 if you have VZ phone service $48 without phone service.
I use mine for HD VOD, and cloud based work at home (typically large Filemaker databases and even shared Quickbooks files which aren't designed for web based sharing). 30/15 makes it not much different than working with FM and QBooks over a LAN. It's sweet. But if I wasn't using it for work, I wouldn't shell out $140 for it. I'd get one of the $60ish synchronous plans. | |
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join:2007-12-26
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4 edits | Re: bundle pricing or solo Microsoft XBL Marketplace, Apple iTunes Movie Rentals and DirecTV On Demand which I got a few weeks ago. Most of DTV's VOD stuff is standard def but some of their PPV movies are HD. Movies typically run in the 5GB range and at 30Mb/s I can start watching them immediately after ordering just like cable VOD was.
I read that the Netflix Roku box is capable of HD, but Netflix just doesn't offer the content. | |
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| |  CUBS_FANNext Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
kudos:1 | Re: Verizon who? Verizon has a long way to making into Chicago. All the cities you mentioned are like 90 minute drives for me on the North Side. Rockford is like 2 hours away. | |
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join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
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join:2005-11-28
Philadelphia, PA | Comcast reaction?! Hopefully we'll see a reaction from Comcast. Maybe bump up the upload speed a bit on the Blast tier.
I believe that Blast (16/2) is in the same price range as FIOS 15/2 which now became 20/5. It would be nice if Comcast tries to narrow down the gap a bit on the upload front. | |
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join:2008-04-26
Madera, CA | Small towns. I don't think I'll ever get Verizon because of where I live, so who knows???!!!??? Madera just won't get it, but I could be wrong. | |
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| | | Re: Small towns. I don't think Verizon's opposed to small town deployment ..... so long as it's an extremly wealthy small town | |
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join:2008-04-26
Madera, CA | Re: Small towns. What would you consider an extremely wealthy small town??? | |
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| | |  AZ_OGM
join:2007-01-12
Phoenix, AZ | Re: Small towns. I would consider North Oaks, Minnesota an extremely wealthy small town. Its a private community just north of St. Paul. The houses start at $1.5M. | |
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| | And you get pizza with that service... I notice that image was a pizza box. Do they have a menu posted online as well? | |
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2 edits | cheapers I want my 20/5 boosted... | |
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| | Schadenfreude I'll bet the MPAA and RIAA will love this! Heh heh. With the 20/20 tier and bit torrent, one could fill up an entire 1 TB hard drive in six days and seed to 200% in another six. That's about 3000 hours of movies, TV shows, etc...
Seriously, I'll bet the hard drive manufacturing companies will see revenues up big time. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Schadenfreude said by DoctorBit:Seriously, I'll bet the hard drive manufacturing companies will see revenues up big time. They already have their hands full making HDs for the NSA to store everything you do. | |
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 spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium
join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
kudos:1 | 20/20 I'll tell you fellas, I have the 20/20 package from Surewest and it pretty much ROCKKKKKKS!
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| NOCManMacChatterPremium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | Re: 20/20 I have FIOS 15/15 and if it's a free bump so be it. Otherwise I'm happy where I am. I get better WAN connections to work than I do on the LAN at work . | |
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join:2000-10-06
Astoria, NY |  availability in NYC?
Any estimates? Any verizon rep I speak to has no such information... | |
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| Natoma
join:1999-08-30
Brooklyn, NY | Re: availability in NYC? FIOS is available in NYC in spots. I've got it already, 50mb/20mb connection for $89 since April.
It's damn sweet. Over the past 2 months or so I've uploaded around 2.5TB and downloaded about 500GB.
It's great. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Re: availability in NYC? said by Natoma:FIOS is available in NYC in spots. I've got it already, 50mb/20mb connection for $89 since April. It's damn sweet. Over the past 2 months or so I've uploaded around 2.5TB and downloaded about 500GB. It's great. Where are you located in Brooklyn?
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join:2007-06-12
Brooklyn, NY | The forgotten ones... As a Verizon DSL customer living in a non-FiOs-capable neighborhood, every time I read stories about great improvements in speeds to FiOs subscribers my eyes bulge out of their sockets; my blood boils then shoots out of my ears and a little bit of my soul dies. I even tried in vein to get the measly 7.1 "upgrade" and was told, "sorry, not available in your area", which I heard as, "sorry, you're sh!t out of luck and will dwell in the land of 3megs down for all eternity! HaHa!" Well, it's great that all the FiOs subscribers will no doubt enjoy their new speedier connections but I just wanna say, @#$#%@#$%;;#@$%.  | |
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2 edits | Re: The forgotten ones... You're not forgotten. Most DSL doesn't offer any caps, while many cable companies do. You could be one of the many people who don't have access to DSL, which would be much worse.
If I could switch from Comcast to DSL, I would call them immediately. | |
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| | | Even worse you could be like me and only be able to get unlimited EV-DO from Alltel. And be worried that when Verizon buys them you may be forced to 5 GB a month and $500 every gig over. I kind of feel like you do when I hear people upset because they already have DSL or cable. " @#$#%@#$%;;#@$%. " | |
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| | Verizon FIOS-A pipedream This is great news to those who are fortunate to have a choice of Verizon over Comcast. I can't even imagine the internet speeds being thrown around with VZ FIOS offerings. For internet service in my area of the SF Bay, we have the smokin'' hot COVAD of 1.5/384 Copper DSL (if you are lucky), Comcast offers their "premium" 6.0/768(remember no guarantees)with POWERBOOST. AT&T is not even on the Radar with a U-Verse offering and serves up the same anemic 1.5/384 as their top tier DSL service-woo hoo hold me back. Goes to show what the absence of good healthy competition or lack of will do to the market and the choice for the consumer.I know that I should feel lucky as there are still states that don't even offer 1.5/384. SAd that I can go to a sleepy little town in Oregon and get the same DSL service(or better) as I can here in the SF Bay. | |
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| | Just in time Verizon is supposedly rolling out FIOS to my area this summer so I guess we get to take advantage of this from the get-go. FIOS can not get here any sooner as the crappy DSL at 1.5 mbps downstream is not cutting it. The alternative, Charter, has faster speeds, but were way to fee hike happy. Then again all the major ISPs probably are. | |
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| | As soon as FIOS gets here it's bye-bye OOL, whether Docsis 3 or is here or not.
Just tired of OOLs broken BOOST pricing promises. | |
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| | | Re: As soon as FIOS gets here Maybe for you but we have ool boost here and here are my speeds :
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: As soon as FIOS gets here said by Daddy:I want fios but I know I'm just a pipe dream as I'd swear Where I live ( Apartment in the South Bronx which are owned by the city) are in with cable vision...Probably why they don't allow Satellites here either. So I'll probably be apart of the group that has to wait til 2010 to get it...While people who own house get it asap. When your stuck in "you'll never get FIOS" land, OOL is like Jesus coming. At my house I have 20/1 from TWC (highest tier), at my work I have 30/5 OOL, the 2 don't compare. TWC also has poor peering and its hard to max out your line. | |
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Can anyone in the know tell me if there is any hope of FIOS coming to N.E. Ohio? Zip code 44212 ?
Verizon is my current Telco.
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join:2006-10-18
Huntington Beach, CA | Lower tiers now much more attractive. Certainly happy to see 50Mb roll along, but I think the 20/20 and 20/5 are certainly good for the money. Wouldn't mind seeing the 10/2 be bumped to 10/5, but even 10/2 is ok.
I appreciate the primary focus is on the Internet link itself. Unlike Comcast and others which try to push their online services and other stuff, on top of the link, as a way to generate revenue. I almost think its because Verizon is behind the times on this thinking, but I don't mind.
Billing seems to be getting its act together, newer revs of their online account stuff is a good start. | |
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join:2001-01-28
chile | I wish I could get Verizon!!! Verizon FIOS puts my 1mbps cable line to shame.... my 1mbps/550kbps cable line looks like dialup , but at least it`s cheap and unlimited (no caps).
Hopefully in about 2 or 3 years I`ll be enjoying those speeds in Chile. | |
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