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50Mbps Symmetrical For $39.95
MStar offers new tier through Utopia
(old news - 10:54AM Friday Nov 02 2007)
tags: Fiber · business · municipal · XMission · MSTAR
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Utopia is the nation's largest muni-fiber network, connecting almost a dozen cities in Utah. It sells wholesale access to providers like AT&T, XMission and MStar, who then offer 15Mbps symmetrical fiber connections for $40 to residents of participating cities.

Locals told us last week that Utopia would soon be letting ISPs offer symmetrical 50Mbps service, and now MStar confirms they started offering the speedy tier as of October 22. According to the company's press release, this is the "the nation’s fastest Internet connection."

That's technically true, provided you note that Verizon, Optimum Online (switched Ethernet) and Surewest also offer the "nation's fastest Internet connection." Unlike those three services however, most Utopia ISPs are forced to employ 100GB per month caps in order to make the financials work.

MStar spokesman Matt Clayton tells us the tier will cost users $39.95 a month, and it will come with a 100GB per month cap. However, Clayton hints that the existing caps aren't always enforced.

"The cap is soft, but we do track users who exceed the contracted limit," Clayton says. "We reserve the right to charge overages for habitual bandwidth abusers. To be honest, most users rarely ever approach the cap, so it isn't a concern for the majority of our customers."

There's some interesting posts in our forums by an Xmission employee on caps, possible future Utopia cities and whether Xmission will also offer the symmetrical 50Mbps tier.

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gjkhjkalcvzxc

surewest also has caps

just do a search here about surewest, and you will see surewest enforces caps

Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02

Re: surewest also has caps

On all but the 50Mbps tier.

kilometers

join:2007-01-24
Sacramento, CA

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Re: surewest also has caps

The 50mbps tier is also close to 200 bucks a month if bundled with TV or phone. >_

I'm sure they would cap it if it were around 60 or so.

johnwayne

join:2001-03-09
Bountiful, UT

MStar Fiber Utopia Whatever!

Its always nice for company's to tout Symmetrical internet connections but they should first make the system stable. All the people i know who have any of the Utopia fiber or any other kind of residential fiber has problems all of the time. I work at a colo and all of my clients who tout there "fiber connection" come back to me and say it sucks! Then they go back to the QMOE or bonded T1's in there office. Hopefully someday fiber will be stable enough and the businesses who offer it for cheap will be stable enough with there financial business model. GOOD LUCK FIBER!

elbm

join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD
·Verizon FIOS


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Re: MStar Fiber Utopia Whatever!

said by johnwayne See Profile :

Its always nice for company's to tout Symmetrical internet connections but they should first make the system stable. All the people i know who have any of the Utopia fiber or any other kind of residential fiber has problems all of the time. I work at a colo and all of my clients who tout there "fiber connection" come back to me and say it sucks! Then they go back to the QMOE or bonded T1's in there office. Hopefully someday fiber will be stable enough and the businesses who offer it for cheap will be stable enough with there financial business model. GOOD LUCK FIBER!
What do you think transports the T1's? Fiber. The entire "network" (phone, cable, wireless, internet) rides on fiber. Most business of any size are fed directly by fiber-- they may be getting t1's but there is a good chance there is a mux in the telcom room. Most large business have oc3, oc12, oc48 and oc192's directly into thier data centers. The fiber issues you are seeing is best effort services-- there is not a problem with fiber transport to the customer. The problem is there is not enough transport on the back end, the transport is shared among many users like on dsl and cable. Where with t1's the customer is the only on using the 1.544-- they essentially own a dedicated time slot in the transport.

edit-add missing word, spelling

chakey
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Gladstone, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS

What's the point?

I just got Verizon Fios 20/20 service. There are very few websites or applications that will allow a 20 connection down, let alone up. In my mind, other than P2P apps, there is no difference between 20/20 and 50/50 at this point--and MSatar caps usage! 5 years from now the extra 30 should make a difference, but right now?
GhostDoggy

join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA

Re: What's the point?

If you do not see the point then its probably not a service that you could benefit from. Unfortunately, you do not speak for everyone. I could easily use either--and to their limit.
DJ_Kismuth

join:2001-11-25
Chicago, IL

Ehhh.

What's the point of a 50Mb connection when they enforce a 100GB monthly cap?? Seems pointless. Cheap ma & pa ISP.

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Re: Ehhh.

What will possibly do with more than 100Gb of transfer data in a single month aside from downloading more movies? As far as caps go that's a pretty reasonable limit to put on a consumer level service.

jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure

join:2001-11-13

Re: Ehhh.

If the transfer is both up and down, 100GB is nothing.
On my 1.5Mbps connection, I do just over 100GB down a month, BT for TV, not movies.

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Re: Ehhh.

And how many tv shows are you downloading each month? Would it be considered a lot in comparison to what's considered normal use?

diehardspeed
Premium
join:2003-05-14
Salt Lake City, UT

No Utopia/Mstar inernet issues here.

Don't know where the comments about Utopia issues come from but there are far less than I have seen with any DSL service.

As for the comments on "Caps." If they do have them I have not seen any enforcement or warnings but am sure I have gone over 100GB before.

The primary "Internet" related gripe I have with MStar is that they are blocking port 25 INBOUND. I don't really understand there reasoning for that but it only affects a few of us who actually run our own mail servers from home.

I just wish Mstar would have told it's customers about this upgrade! I have not seen an email or anything.

My 15/15Mbps rocks but 50/50Mbps!!! Sweet!

As for there Video Service... They still have kinks to work out as I still get short pauses that are quite annoying while watching TV. If you ask me it looks like packet loss but they don't seem to have anyone to really help in the matter.

Also they decided to time shift Cartoon Network so Adult Swim doesn't start till midnight. The funny part is they time shifted it when AS started coming on at 11PM. Back when it started at 11:30PM and they announced it would be starting at 11:00PM I was excited only to find Mstar push the programing back 30 min!
utahluge

join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast

Re: No Utopia/Mstar inernet issues here.

said by diehardspeed See Profile :

The primary "Internet" related gripe I have with MStar is that they are blocking port 25 INBOUND.
This is interesting. Granted I am with MStar on iProvo, when I spoke with a representative, he specifically said they do NOT block any ports. I don't run a mail server at home but I should try putting one of my linux box's ssh on 25 to see if I can connect...

Yauch

join:2005-06-24

Wait a minute

Unless I can't do the math (which I probably can't), isn't that like 30 minutes of using your connection a month?

Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..


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Re: Wait a minute

said by Yauch See Profile :

Unless I can't do the math (which I probably can't), isn't that like 30 minutes of using your connection a month?
102400 MB * 8 = 819,200Mb
819,200Mb / 60 = 13,653 seconds
13,653 seconds / 60 = 227 mins or so at max speed
227 mins / 60 = 3.8 hours

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macrospect
All The Little Stuff
Premium
join:2005-08-25
Doylestown, PA

Re: Wait a minute

Ok, that is the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. If the caps are indeed 100GB/mo on the 50mbit deal then you would have to be outright out of your mind to purchase this connection!

JasonJ75

@capitalone.com

Re: Wait a minute

For $40/m you'd have to be out of your mind to sign up for a 50/50 connect with 'soft' limits?

Until they start pulling a Comcast and blindsiding folks with magical limits I'd sign up for 50/50 in a heart beat.

Sounds like they're going about things the right way. A shame really, I thought I was going to catch up to the in-laws 15/15 with my 20/20 fios upgrade...Guess not. :/

BLUNTED 1

join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY

Re: Wait a minute

I'm paying $65 a month for Fios 20/20 so IF if I got 50/50 for less I would take it because I don't use 100 gigs a month most of the time.
bruzr
Premium
join:2007-05-05
Essex Junction, VT
Actually, 13,653 / 60 = 227 minutes, or 3 hrs 47 m. Still, not a lot for a full month.

Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..

Re: Wait a minute

said by bruzr See Profile :

Actually, 13,653 / 60 = 227 minutes, or 3 hrs 47 m. Still, not a lot for a full month.
Ha, good catch. How in the hell did I screw that up? I even used a calculator ...
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mathprof P

@parkermajestic.com
13653/60 = 227.55 minutes
Kralj

join:2007-05-02

said by Matt See Profile :

said by Yauch See Profile :

Unless I can't do the math (which I probably can't), isn't that like 30 minutes of using your connection a month?
102400 MB * 8 = 819,200Mb
819,200Mb / 60 = 13,653 seconds
13,653 seconds / 60 = 227 mins or so at max speed
227 mins / 60 = 3.8 hours

Actually your answer is still wrong. Nobody noticed your second line which doesn't make any sense at all.
819,200Mb / 60 = 13,653 seconds

Now Mb divided by a unit less number would still be Mb. I don't know how it was magically converted to seconds. Maybe you can explain that. However, if you want to correctly calculate how long one would be able to use a 50Mbps connection you would divide 819,200Mb by 50Mb/s. Megabits would cancel and your answer would be in seconds.

100GB * 1024MB/GB = 102,400MB
102,400MB * 8bits/byte = 819,200Mbits
819,200Mbits / 50Mbits/s = 16,384 seconds
16,384s / (60seconds/minute) = 273.067 minutes
273.067min / (60minutes/hour) = 4.551 hours

It's funny how everyone was laughing at the Verizon rep who didn't know the difference between .01 cents and $.01, but yet we have people here making mistakes with units too.

dv
What was that?
Premium
join:2005-04-19
Goleta, CA

Re: Wait a minute

you are correct... i kept getting a different answer, couldn't figure out what i was adding

jade

@comcast.net


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KRALJ,
IM INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS CONNECTION , YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONLY PERSON HERE TO BE ABLE TO EQUATE THE PROBLEM, NOW IF U COULD SEND ME AN EMAIL EXPLAINING THIS > I RUN A 17MG WITH COMCAST NOW I PAY ABOUT $30 A MONTH I TRUE LY WANT 50MB'S
, I SUPPOSE MY QUESTIONS ARE,DOES THAT MEAN I ONLY GET 4.551
HOURS OF NET USAGE ? IS THIS WORTH THE MONEY? HOW MUCH WILL THIS IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF MY NET? CAN I GET IT IN CHICAGO? I WILL TELL U NOW I VERY RARELY DO ANYTHING BUT PLAY GAMES (WINK) DL SOME PORN EVERY NOW AND THEN DL SOME TUNES FROM SOUL SEEK> BUT OF COURSE I WANT AS MUCH SPEED AS POSSIBLE ,

IF ANYONE AT ALL HAS ANSWERS TO MY ?'S PLS FEEL FREE TO E MAIL ME AT xlx_jesus.saves_xlx[at]yahoo.com , ty for your time in advance to any whom reply

mstar star

@uvsc.edu
No, because MSTAR's IPTV service does not count against your cap.
66466388

join:2006-11-22

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huh?

yeah good choice
...
give 50MBPS fiber to ...the mormons...
omg
obviously
good choice... they'll never use it!!!

MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI

Re: huh?

said by 66466388 See Profile :

yeah good choice
...
give 50MBPS fiber to ...the mormons...
omg
obviously
good choice... they'll never use it!!!
ignorance runs aloof! not all the residents of Utah are Mormons...and what makes you think that Mormons can't be internet power users? lol...what an ignorant moron
voogru

join:2001-07-22

Re: huh?

said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by 66466388 See Profile :

yeah good choice
...
give 50MBPS fiber to ...the mormons...
omg
obviously
good choice... they'll never use it!!!
ignorance runs aloof! not all the residents of Utah are Mormons...and what makes you think that Mormons can't be internet power users? lol...what an ignorant moron
You be surprised how many mormons are power users...

66466388

join:2006-11-22

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Re: huh?

yes they have the google calendars to keep track of the 60 wives
and also (duh!) to make upload of pornovideos to their websites of hardcore moron porn!!!!
now power user indeed ! i like !!!
66466388

join:2006-11-22
dude
its mormon not moron

! what a stupid! cant even spell the english right! haha

LOL AND CATS !!!

elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom

said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by 66466388 See Profile :

yeah good choice
...
give 50MBPS fiber to ...the mormons...
omg
obviously
good choice... they'll never use it!!!
ignorance runs aloof! not all the residents of Utah are Mormons...and what makes you think that Mormons can't be internet power users? lol...what an ignorant moron
Hmm its BECAUSE of there community that they have this
if only the rest of the US would wake up and do some thing like this

TurdMeister

@rr.com

Run By Municipal..

JackASSES! I live in Los Angeles where the department of sanitation complains about quality of garbage. I really can't see government employed idiots running a broadband network. It's best run by corporations.

Btw,Every week the garbage collector picked my garbage trying to bust me for illegal waste so I gathered all the turds I could find and put them in the can!
wraptur

join:2007-09-21

Re: Run By Municipal..

said by TurdMeister :

JackASSES! I live in Los Angeles where the department of sanitation complains about quality of garbage. I really can't see government employed idiots running a broadband network. It's best run by corporations.
Actually it's owned by the municipalities not ran by them. A private company designs, implements and manages it and the multiple private contractors involved (www.packetfront.com). This misconception and uneducated remarks like this are why the open network model is having such a hard time remedying the broadband divide we have in the US. Once people look into it and educate themselves and others it is an obvious choice for the broken/outdated telecommunications oligopoly systems we have today. I am so sick and tired of these bigwigs (Comcast, Quest etc.) making promises to the govt about how they are going to give 'broadband' connections to the masses and then not delivering but just driving our prices up for such small bandwidth. Do you consider 200Kbs broadband? I don't!

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

Caps

FTL
-
its fibre for crying out loud.

NHutch

@comcast.net

No one needs that speed in Utah...

Porn is illegal in Utah I believe. Makes sense why the cheapo ISPs would offer their highest speeds there...

plk
bo may sleep in loft
Premium
join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA

Hell....2 connections

For that price I would get two connections....and get 200 gig a month.
fuckermucker

join:2003-01-25
Salt Lake City, UT

The cap is actually higher

I believe this math to be a little more definitive:

100GB*1024MB/GB =102,400MB
102,400MB * 1024KB/MB = 104857600KB
104857600KB * 1024B/KB =107374182400B
107374182400B * 8bits/Byte= 858993459200bits
858993459200bits * 1kb/1000b = 858993459.2kb
858993459.2kb * 1mb/1000kb = 858993.4592mb
858993.4592mb / 50mbits/s = 17179.869184s
17179.869184s / 60 = 286.331153067 minutes
4.772185885 hours

but this math is MUCH more definitive:

500GB*1024MB/GB =512,000MB
512,000MB * 1024KB/MB = 524288000KB
524288000KB * 1024B/KB = 536870912000B
536870912000B * 8bits/Byte= 4294967296000bits
4294967296000bits * 1kb/1000b = 4294967296kb
4294967296kb * 1mb/1000kb = 4294967.296mb
4294967.296mb / 50mbits/s = 85899.34592s
85899.34592s / 60 = 1431.6557654 minutes
23.86 hours

Because the quota is actually 500GB (though additonal can be purchased) at XMission, which is now providing 50mb service.
Syian

join:2007-12-20
Gwinn, MI
·Charter Pipeline

me. want.

i belive the subject says it all, as i live in a land where there is ONLY one "broadband" provider. and it is charter. and it's down more often than it's up. and i get to deal wiht "habeeb" EVERY TIME I CALL CUSTOMER SUPPORT. and every time they do the same thing. and every time it doesn't work.

hell. i'll take some extra wives and move to utah for 50/50Mbs. sounds like a win/win/win/win/lose/win situation to me.
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i used to belive in people.
then i worked in telcom.
it burned out my naivety
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