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"There have been a number of discussions on this newsgroup regarding whether SP2 will install on non-genuine (aka "pirated") versions of Windows. Here is the official Microsoft position on this topic:
We expect that nearly all Windows XP users, running genuine or pirated Windows, will have access to the security technologies in SP2. The same users that were blocked from installing SP1 - those that have used a small set of legacy pirated product keys - will be blocked from installing SP2. We believe that there are very few systems in use today that use these keys -- in other words, the pirates have moved on to other keys which we are not blocking.
So how do we charaterize our policy?
We want to make sure that the broadest number of people can install SP2. The nature of malicious attacks on computer users is constantly changing and we will continue to evaluate how we deal with security updates for pirated versions of Windows to best protect our genuine Windows customers.
Thanks,
Gary Schare
Microsoft"
From »www.msfn.org/comments.php?shownews=9214
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To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
By not (if it was actually possible) allowing pirates, many of the users would switch to a free Unix-like operating system rather than pay for Windows. Allowing pirates lets Windows better compete with Linux and *BSD. | |
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3 Billion Chinese People Can Be Wrong
join:2004-01-01
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
5 years from now, when major linux desktop operating systems are the norm, people will be saying what YOU said about the next generation of operating systems. IMHO
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... I could fill this entire page with software that doesn't run on *nix platforms.
And 5 years from now, linux will not be the norm. It hasn't been and it never will be. 5 years ago people like you said the same thing and it didn't come true then and it won't come true now.
Entirely because of my first statement.
Supporting an operating system is one thing. Spreading FUD about it because of your undying blind support is another.
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by Wills :
I could fill this entire page with software that doesn't run on *nix platforms.
He didn't say that any program that can run on Windows can run on *nix. He said there are equivalent programs under different names.
said by Wills :
Supporting an operating system is one thing. Spreading FUD about it because of your undying blind support is another.
What part of "dontshare"'s statements was FUD about Linux? | |
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| said by loserhead :
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
5 years from now, when major linux desktop operating systems are the norm, people will be saying what YOU said about the next generation of operating systems. IMHO
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Linux cannot do everything that Windows can do. Mainstream Linux OS's that compete with Windows are much further than 5 years away...sorry. There are many hurdles....like the technical level of the average user, software compatibility issues, and general acceptance by the public - to name a few. *nix has it's place in the computer world, a single-digit percentage of marketshare. Even Apple will take over before Linux, and figure the odds of that taking place.
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... quote:
There are many hurdles....like the technical level of the average user, software compatibility issues, and general acceptance by the public - to name a few.
That's because stupid people can't run Linux. I say we force people to learn how to manually install Slackware using a text-based installation before they're "licensed" to use a computer (something else I think we need a law for). Maybe then all these "I think I know what I'm doing but I really don't" computer users out there (which is around 80% or more) wouldn't be on the 'net spreading viruses and spam. | |
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Thank you Linux nazis! HEIL MEIN PENGUIN FURHER!! | |
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| The only one stupid here is you, I have a major in computer science, theres my license, and I hate linux, even though I was "forced to install and use it", and saying everyone else should have one to use a computer is like being a Hitler of the computer world. Its not the average users fault for spreading viruses, its the designer of the viruses fault. Computers give people access to the world before unheard of. Everyone should have a free right to use them. People left the "text-based" systems behind for a reason, efficiency, ease of control, and more variety after sitting behind a computer screen for 8+ hours a day. Geez, that had to be the dumbest post I have ever read on these forums, think before you start in on other people... | |
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| said by loserhead :
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
Yeah, maybe if you're talking about a calculator app. Once you get into more complex applications, the tripe thrown together by a bunch of hobbyists on Linux can't hold a candle to the extremely polished and mature software available for Windows. | |
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Infidels Won
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Deep River, CT | Re: As was discussed earlier... Gee, hmmm... virtually every application I've ever emulated through wine on Linux worked flawlessly. Wine = Windows Emulator. It's been around for years. Learn about what you're talking about before you pretend to know that you do. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by version3D :
virtually every application I've ever emulated through wine on Linux worked flawlessly. Wine = Windows Emulator. It's been around for years. Learn about what you're talking about before you pretend to know that you do.
Why waste time messing around with emulation when I can run the top programs natively on the top OS in the world?
Don't talk down to me. I've used Linux before. I think it sucks. I see absolutely no reason why I should have to take extra steps and make my life harder just so I can use some crappy OS that "isn't made by M$".
I'm not a rabid anti-Microsoft zealot, so I don't feel any desire to use a second-rate OS just because it's not made by them. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by Jeremy341 :
Don't talk down to me. I've used Linux before. I think it sucks. I see absolutely no reason why I should have to take extra steps and make my life harder just so I can use some crappy OS that "isn't made by M$".
I'm not a rabid anti-Microsoft zealot, so I don't feel any desire to use a second-rate OS just because it's not made by them.
STOP. I do not think that Linux sucks. (If you want to hear my personal opinion  Linux just has the usual "many people cooking one dinner" problems - and many, very old school people sitting on it and developing without the EYE/focus what actually a mainstream/everyday user WANTS.
Big companies like MS do exactly that - Win got easier and easier...do you remember what a mess it was with 95/98 just to install a network ? HECK i remember times (on the AMiga) i had to WRITE my own startup scripts for slip to even conect/login to the internet.
From that point of view windows has gone BIG steps towards the user, the human person in front of the computer.
Linux still lacks there, IMHO.
BUT...the BIGGEST problem with Linux is that all the mainstream software does NOT come out for Linux....but for Win. I do not want to install a OS(Linux) "because its better" (and the CODE is for sure MUCH better than Windows) - INSTEAD i wanna use a OS as a tool for the software (apps and games) running under it.
I have no choice than going with Windows.(Literally, since at least with the advent of DirectX games now NEED WIndows to even run on a PC).....i guess you might stil remember days when there were games which did NOT need an OS underlying to even run. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by flexy123 :
the CODE is for sure MUCH better than Windows
You've seen the Windows source code?
(Before anyone says anything, don't point out that small leak earlier this year. That doesn't count.) | |
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Go here in the application created by the people you claim who have created "first-rate OS"; IE. Sorry, if they can't make a browser that can render xhtml & css page that is written to specs properly, they can't create "first-rate OS". | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by Eat Me :
Well polished and mature? You mean like Microsoft-IIS, Exchange and IE?
Those are a few examples. I'll admit that those three pieces of software do have suitable counterparts on Linux (as long as you're willing to dump Microsoft completely), although that doesn't make the Microsoft products any less polished or mature.
But I was referring more to apps like Office, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Audition. OpenOffice, GIMP, (insert an HTML editor for Linux here), and Audacity simply cannot compare to these programs. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly is not a power user of those apps, and/or is simply disillusioned into thinking that open source automatically equals better products. | |
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| I have looked at the MSOffice clones (StarOffice, for example) for both Windows and 'nix. I continue to use MSOffice under Windows because there are features it has which I need that just don't exist in the other suites.
The average user who does a little spreadsheeting and writing letters to Mom doesn't use the interapp communications and complex-document features of Office. I do. You can bet that if there were something better, I'd be using it.
The applications in MSOffice have been under development for nearly twenty years now, by some of the brightest people in the world. It will take a while for alternatives to catch up, if ever. | |
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clubs: | would you please compare exchange server to sendmail?
then after you post what you want to see. I will post the honest truth. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by drewber :
would you please compare exchange server to sendmail?
How can you? Sendmail basically does just POP3 and SMTP. Exchange hosts all of Outlook's advanced features, and also does POP3 and SMTP. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... exchange = i beleive its 69 a seat
sendmail free
both do pop and smtp
as far as the outlook thing is concered with the calender thats what squirell mail is for that is also free.
as far as my application is concered the number of email accounts i have, it would be stupid to pay the price for MS. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by drewber :
exchange = i beleive its 69 a seat
It's around $700, and it's licensed per server.
If what you're doing is too small for Exchange, or doesn't use Outlook, fine. By all means, don't use it. It would be overkill. | |
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join:2002-08-09
San Diego, CA
| In the next few years linux will be able to run 95% of Windows apps with CrossOver Office (a commercial version of WINE).
Right now CrossOver runs a majority of popular Windows apps natively under Linux at the same performance as if not better.
I do however get better network performance under Linux and IE does run really smooth.
We have grown dependent on Windows. Thats why we continue to say we need Windows apps. There are plenty of open source apps that are alternatives to proprietary software that are pretty good, ie. OpenOffice.org an alternative to Ms Office minus the $500 price tag. Not only works on Windows and Linux but many OSes.
Microsoft has something to worry about now. It now has more competition. Linux now has more desktop market share than Mac, and the Tech industry and major players are moving towards it. It can get ugly for MS because it's the Tech Industry vs Microsoft. It will be free vs proprietary, when we say "free" it's not in terms of price. But Free as in Freedom and not as much as free as in Freeware.
Linux wont go away. It's being embraced by big business because of its lower cost. Microsoft's FUD will continue, it's great viral mind control, but until we zombies wake up will will believe whatever the big dogs say. The truth will set you free. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... "In the next few years linux will be able to run 95% of Windows apps with CrossOver Office (a commercial version of WINE)."
Too bad that their are literaly hundreds of thousands of programs out there for windows. The most common applications are office, IE, music players, adobe programs, winzip, aol/msn messengers, antivirus, firewall, and there are more. Aside from that, most people have a few programs that aren't well known. Take for example filehound. I bet most of you don't use this, but I use it because it's one of the best damn downloading programs out there. I've been using it since I had a 14.4k connection, and even now with broadband I use it. I bet it doesn't run on *nix.
And talk about driver compatibility. Good luck finding hardware manufacturers that make *nix drivers. There only happens to be 50 different versions of linux, whereas windows has 98, ME, 2000, and XP and apple has os 8, 9 and 10.
My point is, the problem with a free world is that there are too many different distributions. As soon as you add considerable price, the little guys run away, and you are left with a few solid players.
*nix has a great presence in the server market, but it's going to be a long time before it is accepted in the home, and on workstations, especially since support is on a pay $100 or more basis. | |
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XMission Broadband
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1 edit | Re: As was discussed earlier... said by Mustard Tongue:
Too bad that their are literaly hundreds of thousands of programs out there for windows. The most common applications are office, IE, music players, adobe programs, winzip, aol/msn messengers, antivirus, firewall, and there are more.
I'm not going to jump into the tired OS flame war, but it really needs to be pointed out that this is a remarkably spurious argument, and one that leans towards ignorance.
There is just as much software for *nix as there is for Windows. The difference is that *nix software is open sourced, and thus *free* and available for download off the internet. Yes, there is certainly free software out there for Windows as well, but its an increasingly shrinking selection, where as the open source movement grows every day by its very definition.
To use your examples, in reverse, Linux has Open Office, multiple browsers (some superior to the old IE), adobe clones (and Adobe supports linux), zip is built in (along with multiple other compression standards), antivirus is not needed, a very robust firewall is built in, etc etc etc.
Saying things like "Linux must suck because it can't run WinZip" is like saying Dodge sucks because you can't install a Ford head gasket. And whats more, the truth is that Linux is significantly more flexible and scalable than other mainstream OSes. That's just a fact, as anyone who runs Linux knows.
Look you can like Windows or like Linux, or BSD, or Mac OS, or whatever. But when criticising the alternative, know what you're talking about. As is, you're just spreading disinformation.
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join:2002-01-26
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by tcp1 :
Pirate-proofing Windows XP will do NOTHING to move people over Linux. Your point is invalid.
The point isn't invalid. I moved to Linux from XP because of being annoyed with product activation. | |
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Infidels Won
join:2004-07-24
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| quote:
And don't tell me Linux doesn't have its own share of technical caveats. Do you really think the average Joe User is going to be figuring out RPM dependencies and compiling kernels? Please. Enough of this.
Maybe the average Joe User should get his act together and actually learn how a computer works then. This is exactly the problem Microsoft has created: trying to bring "idiot proof" access to computers to the general public when they should have done the opposite and actually made it "idiot proof" like Linux is. | |
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... said by version3D :
Maybe the average Joe User should get his act together and actually learn how a computer works then. This is exactly the problem Microsoft has created: trying to bring "idiot proof" access to computers to the general public when they should have done the opposite and actually made it "idiot proof" like Linux is.
Why does a computer have to be complicated? Cars are rather complicated if you think about it. They have A/C, heating, multiple electrical systems, lights, safety check mechanisms, stereos, and now DVD navigation. I don't see you asking to make cars more complicated. I much prefer my single "Gas, Brake, and wheel" with some extras.
Making computers idiot proof is a good thing, it makes them more PRODUCTIVE and USEFUL. Making them a CHORE is counterproductive. If I want to make a birthday card, I don't care what the hell a CPU is! I've got 10 minutes to make mom a Happy Birthday card. I do not want to spend 20 minutes recompiling my kernel or downloading some RPM.
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join:2004-02-02
| said by loserhead :
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
5 years from now, when major linux desktop operating systems are the norm, people will be saying what YOU said about the next generation of operating systems. IMHO
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| Despite Microsoft's best efforts to thwart piracy, underground sources indicate a key generator is now available to crack the upcoming release of Service Pack 2 for the Windows XP operating system.:D
Windows XP SP2 cracked already?
»www.theinquirer.net/?article=17010 | |
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | Re: Windows XP SP2 cracked already? Well, I would imagine so. SP2 just blocks previous "known" pirate keys, so it wouldn't take much work to put together a keygen that excluded the same keys. | |
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IA | Re: Windows XP SP2 cracked already? If I did something like that, my post would be gone in about 30 sec...:D
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Infidels Won
join:2004-07-24
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| Re: As was discussed earlier... I'm willing to bet that most people who pirate software are already more up-to-date with critical Windows updates than "average Joe user" who went out to Staples and shelled out $150 for XP Pro. I can't tell you how many people I've met that just ignore that "Critical updates are ready to install" message that always flashes at the bottom of the screen. | |
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join:2002-01-26
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| Re: Good move.... said by jopfef :
VERY smart move on Microsoft's part. It would have been incredibly stupid not to protect ALL Windows XP systems out there.
I'm glad to see that MS is doing this, since security of ALL systems, legal or otherwise, is essential in today's world.
They're not protecting all systems. Anyone using a serial blocked when upgrading to SP1 cannot upgrade to SP2. | |
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Lopez Island, WA | Are two firewalls better than one? Am wondering if AVG and windows firewallwill work together in harmony. Double layer protection. ??? | |
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nursemike
join:2001-10-14
Palm Bay, FL
| SP2 and HP computers I hope that running SP 2 on my HP computer goes better than SP 1. HP neglected to let their users know that a special patch had to be run before SP 1 could be installed. Running SP 1 without the patch wiped out my other hard drive partitions.  | |
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join:2001-04-19
Hopkinsville, KY | Re: SP2 and HP computers I have SP 2 loaded on one of my desktops computers now. I have a MSDN subscription so SP2 is already available for download.
So far nothing has been broken. I did turn the software firewall off becuase I am running a hardware firewall. | |
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join:2001-07-21
Saint Charles, MO | Re: SP2 and HP computers All this talk and
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join:2000-06-13
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clubs: | Good for MS! MUCH better to let the pirates patch than infect/clog/ddos/zombie etc.
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| Re: Works with what pirated keys? said by Andrew J :
This is the first XP release that disables raw sockets, which makes it the most important Windows update ever.
Why? That was perhaps the absolute *least* security issue in the entire OS, really. I don't see how that helps at all, except deny certain classes of application developers the ability to, well, develop their software, at least not without paying for or writing another driver shim. How lame. | |
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Jeremy341
Bye
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| said by djrobx :
So, are we saying that they haven't changed the "lock" since SP1 (and *any* generated keys will work) or are we saying that the new lock has just already been broken?
We are saying they haven't changed the lock since SP1. Some of the earlier beta versions did block more keys than SP1, but they have since removed the extra restrictions. So if you were able to install SP1 with your key, you will be able to install SP2. I don't agree with this 100%, but that's the way it is. | |
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..the recent fear was that you'd have to have a PID of 640 in order to use SP2..
Naw, you just need a PID between 640-642 to be able to use Windows Update once you have upgraded to SP2 using a pirated version of CorpXP. If you don't have a PID that falls into that small area then once you upgrade to SP2 you are forever locked out of future Windows Updates.
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| Re: There is ALWAYS a way said by Spyder :
There will NEVER be a point in time when you can not get a pirated version of anything, since there will always be a way to crack any Serial/CD-Key system. Everyone thought Windows XP was going to be pirate free, yet it was on the internet LONG before it was released to the public. Microsoft knows that even if they release a version of SP2 which can't be used with pirated versions of XP, the pirates will find a workaround.
probably only because of the corporate version...
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Deep River, CT | That's what I've always said... if there's a way in, there's a way out. | |
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Ain't Nuthin But A Thang
join:2002-02-19
Hudson, WI | Funny "SP2 not out yet, but pirates scheming already"
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Phishing Scam Terminator
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1 edit | overall web security Going after pirated software is just not going to happen. People now and days want everything cheap and will buy the pirated version of Windows XP through spam for fifty buck. They don't care about internet security or installing keys to activate Windows. As long as it works is their mentality ,which is the problem that we all must face with unsecure computers on the internet.
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Brooklyn, NY | thank god, i mean, man that is a shame! *snaps fingers* | |
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join:2001-09-30
Kent, WA
| missing network connection Icons I installed sp 2 last night. The only problem I had, was the network connection icons vanished. I was able to fix this with help from the ms kb. Everything else is running smooth as silk
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join:2003-08-02
Marina Del Rey, CA | Re: missing network connection Icons Where did you get SP2 (final).
I want the full network install version because I would like to create a slipstreamed WinXP SP2 CD. | |
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My Katamari's Bigger Than Your Katamari
join:2000-05-13
Sunland, CA
| Re: missing network connection Icons Check out Neowin.
To the mods: Neowin has the most stringent active moderation for the SP2 RTM posts and their stipulation was that only links that could be verified were free of key makers, cracks, or trojans could be posted and they have a few up now (they even note that MS has been in contact with them and that MS actually encourages people to download the full clean SP2 file, saves mucho bandwidth and hastens security adoption I'm thinking). I don't know the policy here though, so I won't feel bad if this post gets whacked, but I am just trying to help out Thanks. | |
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join:2004-06-25
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| not to mention if microsoft were to block pirated keys they'd have to develop within sp2 a new ability to block these keys (because if they used an old scheme, the old keygens would work.) it wouldn't take long for this to be broken and they would have effectively wasted time and money in a fruitless endeavor.
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|  MS activation just plain sucks period
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join:2002-01-26
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join:2001-01-11
Oliver Springs, TN
| And did Microsoft deny your reactivation? Nope. They just made you call. A little inconvenient, but not a show stopper. Many software packages are using activation. These other companies are nearly as friendly as Microsoft. Try calling these other companie on a weekend, try explaining that you radically changed your hardware or reinstalled due to a disk crash.
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join:2002-02-15
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1 edit | Re: MS activation just plain sucks period I moved around my pci cards and it wanted me to reactivate... but i could do it over the internet and not necessary by phone... | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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join:2001-04-11
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| said by raythompsontn :
Microsoft gives the benefit of the doubt to the consumer
No, they don't!!!!!
I have XP on 1 machine. Installed XP & activated it with no problem. Discovered that I really need more HD space & RAM. I added them and went to do a clean install & when I went to activate it, I got a message to call Microsoft. I called & was told that I was trying to activate it on a different machine, I must purchase a new copy. I told the rep that all I did was change the HD and add RAM. Again he said that couldn't be so, the activation record showed a completely different machine,I must purchase a new copy. I spoke to a supervisor, and all I got was that 'I must purchase a new copy'.GRRRRRR:(:(:(:(
I wound up putting 2KPRO on.
So much for Microsoft giving the consumer the benefit of the doubt. | |
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martinkov
join:2004-05-30
Charlotte, NC
2 edits | SP2 will not help ! I'm running a beta of SP2 and I like it. I can't wait to get the final version. I'm also running Spybot 1.3 and AVG along with a few other programs behind a hardware firewall.
Sadly, Mr and Mrs JQ Public probably don't even know about it.
I built a comp for my sister last summer and loaded it with everything she needed. My final words were " Keep the MS updates, AVG, Spybot and the others current. Scan your system on a regular basis. Be careful."
Needless to say, it took me 4 hours to fix it. 2 versions of Spybot running in both safe and regular modes took off about 140 things. Avg was run the same way and took off about 20 things. Adaware got about 20 or 30. I removed 3 of the 4 toolbars running and a few other strange things. I downloaded the 20 or so critical security updates that she needed. ETC ETC ETC It runs fine once again.
She had my help from the get go and still couldn't handle it. So much for that Master's Degree.
I have no faith in the masses because they don't follow computer news, it's too hard, not needed, they're too busy or one of the other thousand excuses.
I have an Insurance/Financial and Investment planner that wants me to network 2 offices for him. He needs at least 4 new comps, two broadband connections, and a server. I can't do anything yet because his secretary works part time thru the summer and he has to move 30 years of paper files into the new office so he's a little busy. The second new office will be a few hundred miles away by the beach...he wants to be close to his client's vacation homes. Yet, he has an old Gateway 300 Meg that he wants to keep...." It can be upgraded." I hope that Gateway is at least running 98. ARGH.
I'm sure he knows all about the SP2 that's coming.
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| | stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: SP2 will not help ! then use web based e-mail, and kiss Outlook bye, bye...
Course, I currently use ThunderBird...but thats my choice.. | |
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MegaManX257
@adsl.skyne
| MS... I don't get it,
How can people support MS VS other OS'es?
You can't do anything on an MS machine!
(And no, I'm not on drugs or something like that)
Anyone ever tried to use Bleutooth with Win XP Pro?
Nearly impossible for an av. users.
Each day I use plenty of harware.
Scanners, Printers, Cams, etc.
But Windows makes it a hassle to use them.
If, by miracle, I could actually find a SIGNED driver for something I own/work with, working with that piece of hardware would be so much easyer (I believe).
But what are the odds of that ever happening?
Windows just isn't flexible enough.
Not for a advanced user, nor for a av. users.
Ever tried explaining a "low tech" user that his current driver is causing instabilities?
Nearly impossible.
At least the *nix users can write their own code for their hardware... | |
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ObdH
Premium
join:2003-06-11 | re just installed it on this computer, seems to work well
no legit key here ... but this isn't my computer...
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Miserable failure | |
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UnnamedPlayer
@comcast.net
| SP2 does NOT work with pirated versions of windows I tested it out, did not work.
BTW, I have a legit copy of XP (free, from my university - Microsoft E-Academy), but chose to install cracked version because of activation annoyances. For people who tinker around with their computers, calling in to re-activate is not just a pain in the butt but you can only do it a limited amount of times. | |
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ActivationBlues
@chcgil.ameritech
| Re: SP2 does NOT work with pirated versions of windows I am with you in that respect. I have a copy of xp in my desk that I bought for 5 bucks. I just see no reason to format just to be able to use it(can't install over it and retain installed apps). I see it as I have windows running and I bought a legal license to run it so it shouldn't matter. One license one copy running. And to let you know, so called illegal keys will work, supposedly there is a keygen floating around, but of course mentioning the name would probably just get this post removed. I upgrade my computer every month, no sense in having to call microsoft just to do this. What is the sense in having to get permission from your OS to upgrade? | |
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@reverse.th | Better support from the pirate groups............. Yeah you can say that again. Sometimes I feel I get better support for the pirated software then from the company. | |
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