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| Re: Screwy chart! Heh, that was my thought. "Kilofeet". I knew what they meant, but it still doesn't look right. Also, noticed that attainable downstreams 'looked' like they were actually lower after about 9.5 "kilofeet". 
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 ronpinImagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Answer to Verizon's FIOS ??? If it is -- it's "nice but no cigar". ADSL2+ is what I expected all telcos to do next. Verizon really leap-frogged everybody eh? Still -- kudos to SBC -- keep it coming. | |
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Answer to Verizon's FIOS ??? I think this could've and should've been rolled out long ago.
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|  tim_kButtons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, KaseyPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
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If it is -- it's "nice but no cigar". ADSL2+ is what I expected all telcos to do next. Verizon really leap-frogged everybody eh? Still -- kudos to SBC -- keep it coming.
Verizon is working this, along with long reach LT's. | |
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | Wont make much difference for the masses The chart prooved interesting in its comparasion between ADSL and ADSL2. Apparently if your over 7.5k feet from the CO you wont see any difference and you'll only start to notice real jumps in speed if your within 5-6k feet.
I guess many ofthose who have (or should I say can?) get DSL are likely to be eligible for those improved speeds, but I think alot of people will still be left in the dark with cable being our only salvation for higher speeds.
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 LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Hmmmm I wonder what the upload speeds are going to be like on those line. Makes me almost wish I lived in MO. | |
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| | | Re: Hmmmm You won't get more than 1mbps at over 2km. | |
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| | LazarusSlavin AwayPremium
join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Re: Hmmmm said by IGotThePower:
You won't get more than 1mbps at over 2km.
Can you imagine have a 1mbps upload speed for most games or anything else for that matter. I can't. Would be great tho. | |
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| | | | | Re: Hmmmm They can provide you with that speed even now, there's no need for ADSL2+ for that. | |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA Reviews:
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| about time Some Company considered ADSL 2+. The Chart to me seems like even people at 12000 ft would get decent speeds too.
I wonder if they would do trials with the bonded pair method that I read about somewhere that it would in effect double the distance. | |
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|  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: about time People around 12K feet won't see any advantage of ADSL2+. | |
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join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Re: about time I'll try to look for the chart with the bonded pair method and post the link. | |
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join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Re: about time Good thinking -- for those that haven't heard -- ADSL2/ADSL2+ is the 1st consumer level broadband connection (besides T-1) that allows true additive bonding of lines to actually increase speed (and not just capacity ). This feature should help pay for the buildout as more users buy 2 (or more) ADSL2+ lines to get faster speeds -- especially those further from the DSLAM. Maybe we should buy stock in companies that sell bonding routers? (or will that be a feature of the modem?) | |
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: about time Impressive...Bet that's going to go for a pretty penny. Bonding of T1's fetches a high dollar and it's much easier to do.
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join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Re: about time Well I wasnt looking at for more dollars in that sense. And its not T-1s My understanding. | |
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| | YEA!! Well i just moved to St. Louis from Kansas City, and my dad works for bell and we live right down the street from the C.O. ......i think that im gonna get to do some great downloading before long, keep you posted! | |
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|  b_zenPremium
join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO | Re: YEA!! Damn, I'm not there at the moment 
Where in STL is this trial going on? | |
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| |  icp1Premium
join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO | Re: YEA!! said by b_zen:
Damn, I'm not there at the moment
Where in STL is this trial going on?
It is only for 1 or 2 CO's from what I have seen, so very few are eligible. | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | step in the right direction... this is good news. let's hope the rest of sbc will see new offerings in a year to a year and a half. | |
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| | What about RT's? Unless they expand this to include lines on RT's it don't mean squat to me. | |
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| | | Re: What about RT's? What do you mean?Would RT's be upgraded at a later time than the CO's? .Say it aint so. | |
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| | What about the price? 200-300$? | |
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join:2003-01-28
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1 edit | Upload!! I dont give a crap what the download is, show me the upload... I mean it's getting pretty ridiculous that isp's give such low upstreams, so low in fact that it is so easy for 1 computer to saturate the entire upstream of your network, even if they are not uploading, just in ack packets from downloading.
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| neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Re: Upload!! Upload for ADSL 2+ is not much different then regular ADSL my understanding its capable of up to 1.5mbps where ADSL regular is 1mbps. | |
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| | Finally Finally a news post about SBC's trials...
SBC needs their own RSS feed.
So far I have heard that the upload speeds will be around 1mb/s, that might be a rumor though.
Pretty soon we will be watching TV through our phone lines :P
Cable will finally have land-line competition.
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join:2004-03-06
Cedar Rapids, IA | SBC in St. Louis is horrible.. This is the worst place to do a test. Then maybe that's the entire point? If one of their worst (at operating) markets can do it, the rest can!
If they offered me a free trial of this I might just go back to them. But then again, probably not. They started screwing with my 1.5mbps service 3 years after I had it. Distance wasn't an issue, I can see the CO from my front porch 
Then again, I should've known better to get DSL from a company who had trouble keeping my POTS going. I know it isn't the lines. I switched POTS carriers and I haven't went down since.
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| | when? when will it be widely available to public community? for 24meg speed.... um... it will fill up my harddrive in a month, need a raid 5 then haha.
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| | | Re: We don't need more speed -- we need more distance serves you right for living out in the middle of nowhere then doesnt it 
Move to the city and develop a social life  | |
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| | stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: We don't need more speed -- we need more dista Sure..and lets deal with crime, traffic, smog, ect...
Hope you enjoy living "in the city", Pete.
I'll take my country living ANYDAY BABY!!!
..and love watch'in KTLA channel 5 in the morning with the live traffic reports from Los Angeles...
Love watch'in all those lemmings down there driv'in to work-meanwhile, I have a 5 minute commute..Ah..I love the "SLO" life.
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| | My ADSL service My current ADSL service is SLOW. I'm like 14,000ft from the Phone company I guess. I get speeds of around 250 Download and 120 Upload if I'm lucky. Some days, I have NO DSL service at all for hours on end. Lately it's really been bad. This is with Covad. I've been waiting for Cable Internet service for a LONG LONG time, and finally the middle of next month it'll be here. I can't wait to get rid of this slow as hell DSL service I've had for a long time. I miss my SDSL service I used to have from northpoint. It was about twice as fast both ways then what I have now. Hell If I get half the speed comcast advertises, it would still be far faster then what I have now. | |
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Hmmm, we'll give you 6 months free DSL if you let us jack up your current DSL line and invade you life for four months so we can test a new higher speed product. We'll give you new equipment and send a tech out to install it. Yes, you will have to be home and miss work. You will also have to be home when we come back in four months to uninstall it and attempt to restore your previous service.
Seems too much hassle for me with little to no return. Missing a day of work alone is worth more than 2 months of free DSL.
I understand that they are re-doubling their effort to gain a test base of at least 100 current DSL subscribers. Lets hope they put a better offer on the table so we can get some takers. | |
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join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA | 5,000' Thats the maximum from the CO/RT you can get "double" the speed.
6,000 feet you get 15.5Mbs.
7,000 feet you get 12.5Mbs.
8,000 feet it's a wash.
Has anyone noticed that from 9,000 feet on, you get WORSE speeds w/ASDL2+ vs ASDL2?.
Of course, it's just a chart...but... | |
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join:2006-01-29
Middletown, IN | ADSL2 in USA Gatz France has it?
Why can't we have adsL2 and freebox like europe?
I think it sux we pay such high prices, cable, then phone, then voip, what is up with this ?
I want a freebox!
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